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djemmtee · 5 October 2006, 04:57 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Authentic-Gr...QQcmdZViewItem

can you tell me if this looks real? to me it does not for some reason, i think the top of the bezel that dot that glows looks a bit off from mine, and the little ticks that go all the way around the watch look alot darker on this one than mine. im trying to find an lv for my friend that wants one bad, but i dont want him to get burned. thanks in advance!

mike

mailman · 5 October 2006, 07:16 PM

For me it's hard to tell from the quality of the pictures Mike. The one thing that concerns me is the seller only has 11 previous transactions. All for low dollar things. I think that by you having questions, this should raise a flag and you would be better off staying away. I know I would.

padi56 · 5 October 2006, 07:39 PM

Well speaking for myself I always buy the seller and not the goods.He has not any real feed back to talk of.Pictures are a bit blurry,he talks of Rolex documentation but does not show it in any picture.But don't forget the picture in reality could be anyones.My gut feeling is leave well alone,ask him some leading questions.Ask for picture of the documentation with a paper with todays date on in picture,or a name you tell him to write.But again nothing can be 100% certain of Ebay,do your homework on seller.

aeroguy · 5 October 2006, 07:58 PM

My vote...

Not genuine. Why? Poor fitting SEL's. SEL's are not sharp and crisp. The way the SEL's fit on the back side.

I swear I can make out the crown engraving at 6 o'clock (although quite fuzzy).

The crown guards appear to taper in at the bottom instead of being nicely square where the crown seats.

The crown on the clasp just looks strange. It strikes me as odd that he can't focus the camera on the frontal shots but does just fine on the back shots.

He does call it a 2004 which would explain the bracelt number on the inside near the SEL's.

The white gold around the hour markers seems too thick.

How say you?

-aero

Otis · 5 October 2006, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Well speaking for myself I always buy the seller and not the goods.He has not any real feed back to talk of.Pictures are a bit blurry,he talks of Rolex documentation but does not show it in any picture.But don't forget the picture in reality could be anyones.My gut feeling is leave well alone,ask him some leading questions.Ask for picture of the documentation with a paper with todays date on in picture,or a name you tell him to write.But again nothing can be 100% certain of Ebay,do your homework on seller.

Agree with you there 100% Peter.
Also, his sale conditions really raise my hackles.
3 day auction, must sell now, must pay withing 24 hours?
Sounds like he wants to avoid getting shut down.....

madformac · 5 October 2006, 09:26 PM

Yeah its a fake. The SEL's look all wrong. And the guys are right. If this seller can't take a sharp picture of the dial, or indeed the crown guards, but gets the back perfectly its dodgy. The gold surrounds on the markers are indeed too thick and the bezel pearl looks dubious too IMO.

I'd stay away from this one.

I see he is selling a Yachtmaster too... Interesting how he isn't showing the clasp on either watch. Thats another giveaway.

s7horton · 5 October 2006, 09:45 PM

Interesting thing about the YM he has for sale. I believe that since the TT YM wasn't released until 2005, it has always come with the new style box, yet in the picture, he has shown an older style box.

Rockrolex · 5 October 2006, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

For me it's hard to tell from the quality of the pictures Mike. The one thing that concerns me is the seller only has 11 previous transactions. All for low dollar things. I think that by you having questions, this should raise a flag and you would be better off staying away. I know I would.

That's the first thing I looked for, Paul. I absolutely agree with you: very little feedback as a seller, and all cheapo stuff.

My take: Stay away. Do not take a chance. This smells to high heaven.

astcell · 5 October 2006, 10:50 PM

He is in Maryland, usually the frauds say they live in the USA or other place that cannot be nailed down. Ask him if you can buy it from him at the local Rolex dealer after authenticity has been guaranteed. See if he runs.

Also it could be stolen, many thieves use Ebay as a fencing location for stuff from teacups to laptops.

Lastly it could be legit and the guy needs the cash and was only offered 50% from the dealer. I suppose if someone wants to put effort into it this can be determined nicely.

I have how the bidders are private, that way they cannot be "warned" by others.

aaron850 · 5 October 2006, 11:17 PM

ask for a ton more pics, if he takes more crisp up close pics, you can make a better judgement on the authenticity

also see what his return policy is

get it "AD" the watch, if its fake make sure you pay in a manner which makes it easy to get your money back if it is fake

JJ Irani · 6 October 2006, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by s7horton

Interesting thing about the YM he has for sale. I believe that since the TT YM wasn't released until 2005, it has always come with the new style box, yet in the picture, he has shown an older style box.

Good point, Seth!!

ginzo · 6 October 2006, 04:21 AM

I just checked and the ebay listing has been removed. That might tell you something.

Earl · 6 October 2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by djemmtee

http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Authentic-Gr...QQcmdZViewItem

can you tell me if this looks real? to me it does not for some reason, i think the top of the bezel that dot that glows looks a bit off from mine, and the little ticks that go all the way around the watch look alot darker on this one than mine. im trying to find an lv for my friend that wants one bad, but i dont want him to get burned. thanks in advance!

mike

well mike looks like ebay pulled the auction.. This listing (290036511959) has been removed or is no longer available. More then likely fake.

djemmtee · 6 October 2006, 08:19 AM

good lookin out guys, i know some of you can detect a wongtyme folex from a mile away.

mike · 6 October 2006, 08:33 AM

Sorry I got to the party late.

Sounds like everyone took care of you.

When in doubt don't--others come along all the time.

5 October 2006, 04:57 PM	#1
djemmtee "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Mike Location: Tustin Watch: LV Sub Posts: 1,940	hi friends, authenticity check please! http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Authentic-Gr...QQcmdZViewItem can you tell me if this looks real? to me it does not for some reason, i think the top of the bezel that dot that glows looks a bit off from mine, and the little ticks that go all the way around the watch look alot darker on this one than mine. im trying to find an lv for my friend that wants one bad, but i dont want him to get burned. thanks in advance! mike __________________ 116610 LN 116713 LN Instagram: rolexfan69

5 October 2006, 07:16 PM	#2
mailman TRF Moderator & SUBMARINER 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,458	For me it's hard to tell from the quality of the pictures Mike. The one thing that concerns me is the seller only has 11 previous transactions. All for low dollar things. I think that by you having questions, this should raise a flag and you would be better off staying away. I know I would. __________________ JJ

5 October 2006, 07:39 PM	#3
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,825	Well speaking for myself I always buy the seller and not the goods.He has not any real feed back to talk of.Pictures are a bit blurry,he talks of Rolex documentation but does not show it in any picture.But don't forget the picture in reality could be anyones.My gut feeling is leave well alone,ask him some leading questions.Ask for picture of the documentation with a paper with todays date on in picture,or a name you tell him to write.But again nothing can be 100% certain of Ebay,do your homework on seller. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

5 October 2006, 07:58 PM	#4
aeroguy Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 52	I'll take a stab at it My vote... Not genuine. Why? Poor fitting SEL's. SEL's are not sharp and crisp. The way the SEL's fit on the back side. I swear I can make out the crown engraving at 6 o'clock (although quite fuzzy). The crown guards appear to taper in at the bottom instead of being nicely square where the crown seats. The crown on the clasp just looks strange. It strikes me as odd that he can't focus the camera on the frontal shots but does just fine on the back shots. He does call it a 2004 which would explain the bracelt number on the inside near the SEL's. The white gold around the hour markers seems too thick. How say you? -aero

6 October 2006, 08:19 AM	#14
djemmtee "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Mike Location: Tustin Watch: LV Sub Posts: 1,940	good lookin out guys, i know some of you can detect a wongtyme folex from a mile away. __________________ 116610 LN 116713 LN Instagram: rolexfan69

5 October 2006, 09:26 PM	#6
madformac "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Justin Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 708	Yeah its a fake. The SEL's look all wrong. And the guys are right. If this seller can't take a sharp picture of the dial, or indeed the crown guards, but gets the back perfectly its dodgy. The gold surrounds on the markers are indeed too thick and the bezel pearl looks dubious too IMO. I'd stay away from this one. I see he is selling a Yachtmaster too... Interesting how he isn't showing the clasp on either watch. Thats another giveaway.

5 October 2006, 09:45 PM	#7
s7horton "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Seth Location: Grand Rapids, MI Watch: 16613LB, 126610….. Posts: 995	Interesting thing about the YM he has for sale. I believe that since the TT YM wasn't released until 2005, it has always come with the new style box, yet in the picture, he has shown an older style box.

5 October 2006, 10:50 PM	#9
astcell "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Angelus Oaks, CA Watch: 116713 Posts: 6,828	He is in Maryland, usually the frauds say they live in the USA or other place that cannot be nailed down. Ask him if you can buy it from him at the local Rolex dealer after authenticity has been guaranteed. See if he runs. Also it could be stolen, many thieves use Ebay as a fencing location for stuff from teacups to laptops. Lastly it could be legit and the guy needs the cash and was only offered 50% from the dealer. I suppose if someone wants to put effort into it this can be determined nicely. I have how the bidders are private, that way they cannot be "warned" by others.

5 October 2006, 11:17 PM	#10
aaron850 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: az Watch: GMT II Blk/Blk Posts: 67	ask for a ton more pics, if he takes more crisp up close pics, you can make a better judgement on the authenticity also see what his return policy is get it "AD" the watch, if its fake make sure you pay in a manner which makes it easy to get your money back if it is fake

6 October 2006, 04:21 AM	#12
ginzo Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Boston, MA Watch: GMT/1675 Exp/1016 Posts: 196	I just checked and the ebay listing has been removed. That might tell you something.

6 October 2006, 08:33 AM	#15
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Sorry I got to the party late. Sounds like everyone took care of you. When in doubt don't--others come along all the time.

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