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JerimiahLee · 27 December 2013, 05:28 AM

Just came across this posting on eBay and saw the logo on both the clasp and the fliplock on a Red 1680.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-Rolex-Re...item1e84cbbc4d

I've never seen this before. Maybe an aftermarket fliplock clasp. Has anyone else?

joe100 · 27 December 2013, 06:09 AM

No bueno!

southtexas · 27 December 2013, 06:35 AM

Funny I noticed that last night on eBay as well, but was too lazy to dig out my 9315 to compare. I don't recall mine having two, but I'll look when I get home.

Cc1966 · 27 December 2013, 06:40 AM

Piecemealed clasp (at best).

subtona · 27 December 2013, 07:04 AM

If they did that to the clasp, imagine the rest?

JustinK · 27 December 2013, 07:29 AM

Unless you live in Peru I would pass.....

springer · 27 December 2013, 07:52 AM

Although I have never seen this particular clasp before, I find it interesting. The coronet on the flip lock appears very similar to the coronet found on some of the Hecho en Mexico bracelets. I, for one, wouldn't let that one little detail get in the way of a purchase since I have seen many watches that have been found fitted with incorrect, aftermarket, counterfeit or missing bracelets. Price the watch accordingly!

springer · 27 December 2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cc1966

Piecemealed clasp (at best).

Where would that flip lock come from? Just curious since I haven't seen one before.

JerimiahLee · 27 December 2013, 08:14 AM

My thoughts too. I wonder where it came from...?

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Although I have never seen this particular clasp before, I find it interesting. The coronet on the flip lock appears very similar to the coronet found on some of the Hecho en Mexico bracelets. I, for one, wouldn't let that one little detail get in the way of a purchase since I have seen many watches that have been found fitted with incorrect, aftermarket, counterfeit or missing bracelets. Price the watch accordingly!

joe100 · 27 December 2013, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Where would that flip lock come from? Just curious since I haven't seen one before.

I have actually, on a counterfeit bracelet. Looked just like that one.

springer · 27 December 2013, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe100

I have actually, on a counterfeit bracelet. Looked just like that one.

Good to know. I've been reporting these counterfeit items for many years, and as an enhanced member at "the pond," I am able to have items removed that are counterfeit. I have never seen this one on ebay, TRF, VRF or any of the other watch forums.

I've examined the complete bracelet and see nothing on it that appears, counterfeit or incorrect expect that fliplock. Actually, there are plenty of tool marks and wear patterns that appear to be the result of its age.

joe100 · 27 December 2013, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Good to know. I've been reporting these counterfeit items for many years, and as an enhanced member at "the pond," I am able to have items removed that are counterfeit. I have never seen this one on ebay, TRF, VRF or any of the other watch forums.

I've examined the complete bracelet and see nothing on it that appears, counterfeit or incorrect expect that fliplock. Actually, there are plenty of tool marks and wear patterns that appear to be the result of its age.

I have a photo of the fake I was thinking of. I tend to document weird stuff I come across, no reason not to really. Helps with the memory. The photo I have is different from this flip lock so now I have to step back from my earlier statement of seeing this exact one, but mine is quite close. If the mods don't mind, I can post it here or send it to you directly Springer. Either is fine

springer · 27 December 2013, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe100

I have a photo of the fake I was thinking of. I tend to document weird stuff I come across, no reason not to really. Helps with the memory. The photo I have is different from this flip lock so now I have to step back from my earlier statement of seeing this exact one, but mine is quite close. If the mods don't mind, I can post it here or send it to you directly Springer. Either is fine

We post counterfeit items, or suspected counterfeit items quite often here, and in the Watchout Section. Let's see that clasp Joe.

anilzat · 27 December 2013, 02:42 PM

That is fugly!

someone screwed up on that and it ain't Rolex. I'm Rolex stupid but I know ain't two crowns on a Rolex band.

joe100 · 27 December 2013, 02:47 PM

This is the pic I have

springer · 27 December 2013, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe100

This is the pic I have

Thanks Joe. That is definitely not your normal thumbnail recess found on a clasp.

Cc1966 · 28 December 2013, 02:43 AM

I believe that the flip lock is fake IMHO.

JerimiahLee · 28 December 2013, 04:28 AM

After further inspection the dial looks like a proper Mark VI in the right serial range. So I don't think were looking at a fake here, but the fliplock still has me puzzled. Maybe it broke and they ordered it years ago.

I messaged the seller and hope to find out what the story about the clasp.

crowncollection · 28 December 2013, 05:52 AM

Looks fake to me

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CrownMe · 28 December 2013, 06:31 AM

looks custom to me

Lgear080 · 28 December 2013, 06:39 AM

Obvious fake aimed at the uninitiated. There are many oddball clasp
Iterations, but this isn't one of them. I'd stay away from a seller that
Would try to sell a watch with an obvious fake part.

27 December 2013, 06:09 AM	#2
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,836	No bueno! __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

27 December 2013, 06:35 AM	#3
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,754	Funny I noticed that last night on eBay as well, but was too lazy to dig out my 9315 to compare. I don't recall mine having two, but I'll look when I get home. __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

27 December 2013, 06:40 AM	#4
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	Piecemealed clasp (at best). __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

27 December 2013, 07:52 AM	#7
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,303	Although I have never seen this particular clasp before, I find it interesting. The coronet on the flip lock appears very similar to the coronet found on some of the Hecho en Mexico bracelets. I, for one, wouldn't let that one little detail get in the way of a purchase since I have seen many watches that have been found fitted with incorrect, aftermarket, counterfeit or missing bracelets. Price the watch accordingly! __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

27 December 2013, 02:47 PM	#15
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,836	This is the pic I have __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

27 December 2013, 07:04 AM	#5
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,476	If they did that to the clasp, imagine the rest?

27 December 2013, 07:29 AM	#6
JustinK 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Justin Location: Jupiter, FL Watch: 1530,1665,1680 Posts: 2,063	Unless you live in Peru I would pass.....

27 December 2013, 02:42 PM	#14
anilzat Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: John Williams Location: Alaska outback Watch: GMT Posts: 1,051	That is fugly! someone screwed up on that and it ain't Rolex. I'm Rolex stupid but I know ain't two crowns on a Rolex band.

28 December 2013, 02:43 AM	#17
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	I believe that the flip lock is fake IMHO. __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc Last edited by Cc1966; 28 December 2013 at 02:44 AM.. Reason: Clarify earlier reponse.

28 December 2013, 04:28 AM	#18
JerimiahLee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Jerimiah Location: NYC Watch: 5513 Meters 1st Posts: 669	After further inspection the dial looks like a proper Mark VI in the right serial range. So I don't think were looking at a fake here, but the fliplock still has me puzzled. Maybe it broke and they ordered it years ago. I messaged the seller and hope to find out what the story about the clasp.

28 December 2013, 05:52 AM	#19
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,214	Looks fake to me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

28 December 2013, 06:31 AM	#20
CrownMe "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Kevin Location: Maryland Watch: My Open 6 Posts: 3,433	looks custom to me

28 December 2013, 06:39 AM	#21
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	Obvious fake aimed at the uninitiated. There are many oddball clasp Iterations, but this isn't one of them. I'd stay away from a seller that Would try to sell a watch with an obvious fake part.

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