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Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Dubai
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My Purchase of 5712 stopped mid way
So finally decided to pull the trigger and found a good example of 5712 (2021) unworn with majority of the stickers on the bracelet for 103K USD
The price seems around average maybe a tad above but for the condition I was willing to make the exception . At first checked the paper work and had my guy in patek to verify the warranty dates and the purchase dates and its all good . Second I knew the AD who sold the watch and sent them a pic of the certificate and they did confirm that they sold this watch to the same gentlemen who his name was on the certificate. So established from a system and paper prospective I'm good to go . Today was the appointment for physical inspection of the watch and I did choose a watch maker here in Dubai who is very experienced and having the tools and kits do check . So we asked for the watch not to be opened and supposed to be brand new . The Watch maker took his time while myself and the dealer rep were discussing watches in general , the watch maker comes out and hes like I have good and bad news tell me what you want first . The watch is completly original , the bracelet , case and movement are all perfect and never used. BUT ! but the case has been reopened and this is when we requested to go and see ourselves using his screen. It was evident that a previous watchmaker for whatever reason did open the case and unscrew all 4 screws holding the case where all of them had physical damage most prob for using smaller size screw ! Ok , then the watch maker showed us dust particles on the dial which he is sure because the watch was opened. As well he indicated that the hands have been removed and put back as the round finish of the hands in the middle has gone slightly off . And finally 2 main bridges on the movement had 2 screws which were also damaged due to opening ! This indicated that the watch has been completely dismantled and put back again . I was in shock and so the dealer who then admit that he bought it from a seller who got it from another seller who got it from the main purchaser ! The watchmaker told us clearly its not the first watch he has seen like this and he expect that the watch was dismantled for shipping as spare parts to avoid tax ! and them put back in the final destination . the sale has been canceled as I didnt feel comfortable after that and now I have even more doubts in the grey market ! was so close today yet too far ... sigh! |
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Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Chicago
Watch: Daytona
Posts: 5,483
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Wow, dismantling a watch to try to smuggle it through as parts.... I would certainly pass on this.
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
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Shady dealer with fake provenance stories. Should be called out. Glad you did your due diligence OP.
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Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: USA
Watch: es watches
Posts: 2,059
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Wow..
Used watch market is indeed a minefield |
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Itinerant
Watch: 79010sg
Posts: 8,283
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Name the seller Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Real Name: Brian (TBone)
Location: canada
Watch: es make me smile
Posts: 76,237
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Never heard of that before. Hard pass. Crazy times we live in
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Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: NY, NY
Posts: 460
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Good story - Solid advice!
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#9 |
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Lakeville, MN
Watch: 126610LN Finally!
Posts: 387
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Wow, that is wild!
Excellent work OP for the due diligence, clearly not your first redo |
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#10 |
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Join Date: Aug 2018
Real Name: Martijn
Location: Amsterdam
Watch: On the left wrist
Posts: 722
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My Purchase of 5712 stopped mid way
Informative story OP. Is the AD who sold the watch originally in the same country where you met the seller? The watch was exported as spare parts and then imported back?
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#11 |
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Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: SFO
Posts: 1,189
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Glad to hear you did your DD!
That said - please NAME THE SELLER. If this is as you said and you've personally witnessed this as an impacted party, naming the respective company can actually help change practices. Otherwise it's a bit like - thanks for telling us but what are we going to do with this feedback (outside of finding another AD to handle) |
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: North Carolina
Watch: Rolex/Others
Posts: 46,529
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Great story and good job on doing your due diligence on the watch. Sorry it did not work out but even better since the watch was not right. Keep looking, you will find what you want and it will be right.
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Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: U.S.
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+1 Even if the dealer was shocked as much as the OP, the dealer clearly didn’t diligence this watch as he should have. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: NY, NY
Posts: 460
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To the OP -
Definitely a frustrating ending, but truly a great lesson learned and subsequently shared with us all in the TRF Community - Good Luck to you and may you have success on your quest for the right 5712!! |
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Chi
Watch: 116710LN
Posts: 641
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WOW. This is some crazy ass Holywood moive scam. And they almost pulled it off. OP glad you have a watch maker that you can trust. From a big disaster if you had agreed to accept the watch. Sheesh.
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2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Real Name: Kat
Location: CA, USA
Watch: 126233 Wimbledon T
Posts: 6,896
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This is a perfect example of why some of us are willing to wait for a brand new watch from an AD. Glad you were so diligent, OP!
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail
Location: New Albany
Watch: Tudor Sub 75090
Posts: 8,157
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Wow.
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Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: New Jersey
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Alas, this has been going for decades. Happens with anything of value. I’m in the trucking business and have heard of guys cutting trucks in half to ship overseas for the very same reason…avoiding tariffs. Once the truck gets overseas they simply weld the two parts of the truck together.
I would have asked for a deep discount though |
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Real Name: PaulG
Location: Georgia
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My Purchase of 5712 stopped mid way
A 4-year old watch - even one claimed as "unworn" - often has a history of mischief.
That 5712 just needed 4 new screws and a puff on the dial. The bridges were functional and could be remedied in first service. Better option would be have been a $20K discount and close the deal. After all you said the provenance was clean... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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