Tudor submariner 66 dial question

[4rnold]

this is a submariner from 66

the dial says T Swiss T, so tritium I suppose

Is this (water) damage to this dial, or just aging?

thx

[TuRo]

'66 was tritium (t swiss t) chapter ring with silver writing (b.t.w, roughly '63 was the end of the 'swiss' radium and '67 ushered in the non chapter ring) . Gilt hands with big blob s/h is unusual find if correct. They can age quite a bit, but I suspect some moisture in the equation....the white around 10 HR and the scratch / mark through Small Rose and R of TUDOR are a bit of a shame/worrisome, but might be marks on acrylic.

[4rnold]

OK thx, i'm not looking to buy, I was just asking for my own information to learn

[4rnold]

The scratch is not on the acrylic btw, is this due to unprofessional watch makers?

[harry in montreal]

The dial has damage, maybe being improperly stored. Something damaged the surface. Post a complete photo of the watch. I can tell that the bezel insert is quite new. If you are about to buy it then you should share all of it as many of these are parted out and rebuilt and sold with a mix of new and old

[4rnold]

some more pictures

[linesiders]

I don't recall a normal aging like that but not having macro pictures, can't be sure. It might be similar to a funky way lume ages/attracts fungus common on 66-68 Tudor/Rolex/Omega lumes (I suspect it was same lume provider) that plus some combination of moisture does that. There is some damage to the dial surface.

[4rnold]

Okay, but the dial is so rough, is that damage or is was this like this when it was so produced?

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

Okay, but the dial is so rough, is that damage or is was this like this when it was so produced?

Damage. I would wager Tudor would never sell a watch with a dial that looked like that. How the damage occurred is open to debate but most likely water intrusion as many have already said. With that scratch on the dial either the watchmaker who repaired it at some point was very clumsy or this dial was in a watchmaker's drawer for a number of years slowly accumulating wear and tear from opening and closing. I'm going with @linesiders fungus theory too, seems like a good option given the Last of Us… It's a damaged dial.

[4rnold]

here's a better example, the dial isn't smooth either, but looks undamaged.
The lume is also greenish

[linesiders]

This looks to be a variation of the lume mold/fungus common from 66-68 Omega/Tudor/Rolex. If it is priced right and it appeals to you, go for it. If this is high market pricing might be worth to pass.

It doesn't look bad, just takes a hit on value

Hands are different here. Dial surface looks much improved/ What happened?

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by linesiders

This looks to be a variation of the lume mold/fungus common from 66-68 Omega/Tudor/Rolex. If it is priced right and it appeals to you, go for it. If this is high market pricing might be worth to pass.

It doesn't look bad, just takes a hit on value

Hands are different here. Dial surface looks much improved/ What happened?

I think different watch J.

[Dan S]

That second watch looks much better. The lume is a little dirty, but I bet it looks good to the naked eye.

[77T]

There could be lots of things going on with that first watch. But all is speculation unless the owner (not a dealer) explains it.

Water, mildew, mold, mistreatment during service, and carelessness.

Each watch tells a story by the lines across its face and the damage to it too. Like people, no two are alike.


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[Alexander88]

The crown guards of the first watch are also very asymmetrical. That would bother me too, something must have happened in the past.
You can see it clearly in the first picture.

[4rnold]

Originally Posted by linesiders

This looks to be a variation of the lume mold/fungus common from 66-68 Omega/Tudor/Rolex. If it is priced right and it appeals to you, go for it. If this is high market pricing might be worth to pass.

It doesn't look bad, just takes a hit on value

Hands are different here. Dial surface looks much improved/ What happened?

Indeed different watch, I'm not looking to buy, i'm more interested in the dealer. I bought from him before. It's more like the story with Jacek form tropical watch. He has good reviews, but then advertises damaged dials as special. Same with this dealer. So I posted this to learn and to confirm my views.

Besides, I think it's overpriced

The Watch goes for 15300 US Dollar

[4rnold]

this one goes for 21k

no box no papers

[4rnold]

its from 62 btw

[4rnold]

And yes, I do agree it looks to to the naked eye

[4rnold]

Originally Posted by Alexander88

The crown guards of the first watch are also very asymmetrical. That would bother me too, something must have happened in the past.
You can see it clearly in the first picture.

very true

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

its from 62 btw

62 is usually not exclamation.... but it could squeak in just....PCG is correct.

[Arnozerosix]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

some more pictures

hard decision due to dial condition, but case is also seriously damaged at the CGs....

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

I think different watch J.

Originally Posted by 4rnold

Indeed different watch, I'm not looking to buy, i'm more interested in the dealer. I bought from him before. It's more like the story with Jacek form tropical watch. He has good reviews, but then advertises damaged dials as special. Same with this dealer. So I posted this to learn and to confirm my views.

Besides, I think it's overpriced

The Watch goes for 15300 US Dollar

Originally Posted by TuRo

62 is usually not exclamation.... but it could squeak in just....PCG is correct.

Correct ~

I have a ! dial I may list soon. 61 PCG, with the correct bits, without dial issues.

[4rnold]

Originally Posted by linesiders

Correct ~

I have a ! dial I may list soon. 61 PCG, with the correct bits, without dial issues.

stunning

[Filipão]

Someone used a moisturizer on that dial?

(OP 1st. pics)

[lupus66]

all old tudor dials have some kind of issue.