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Matt L · 26 September 2006, 09:29 AM

Yesterday I bought a pre-owned ladies DateJust from a local AD as an anniversary gift, however I've not yet taken delivery (wife was nearby and I was speed-shopping). The watch is two-tone with Oyster band and has a uncommon dial with a beige M.O.P. center, surrounded by a gold-tone ring with Roman numerals. After leaving the store, I spent a couple hours on the net looking to confirm I got a good watch at a fair price but, although I've looked at hundreds of DJ pics, haven't seen anything like the dial face on the watch I purchased.

I like the idea that a pre-owned Rolex can hold its value and I don’t want to end up with a watch that has a “custom” dial and a correspondingly lower value, or even a watch that is unusual and that I can’t easily substantiate as 100% authentic. My AD swears to me that this was a "special order" watch that is factory stock from Rolex, however he also tells me that there is no publicly available catalog of these special order dials for me to confirm it as a Rolex offering. He says it is still a “current production, special order dial” and that he will let me see his non-public ordering book, but that he can’t / won’t give me a copy of the dial’s spec sheet to hold as part of my documentation of authenticity (Rolex trade secrets or some such excuse). The AD is one of the largest in the country, I don’t want to insult them with my mistrust, but I’m also a little uncomfortable with the story.

I want to have full documentation of this “special order” dial so that if we choose to sell the watch at some future date, a future buyer won’t have these same worries and value the watch for less than its worth. I know that I could send this watch to Rolex for authentication but that would take weeks and cost a couple hundred bucks. With my anniversary date fast approaching, I need to take delivery on this deal or cancel and keep looking for something else. Anyone have any info as to how I can obtain a catalogue of the special order faces Rolex offers for ladies DJ? If I could just look at the current special order options, I know I could pick out the one in question and purchase in confidence if it is real. If a catalogue truly not available, anyone have experience with buying / selling watches with “special order” factory dials? Does the lack of public awareness / information help or hurt valuation and liquidity?

C.J. · 26 September 2006, 09:34 AM

First, let me welcome you to TRF, Matt and congratulate you on a wonderful gift

I, personally, am not familiar with the dial you have described. But, if the AD you mention is a Rolex AD I couldn't imagine the dial being anything but genuine

mike · 26 September 2006, 10:24 AM

Matt, I don't know if this helps, but here's the Ladies DJ dials I'm aware of

Matt L · 26 September 2006, 10:57 AM

Mike, you rock! It's a "Champ. m.o.p. roman decorated".

I feel much better now, thanks for posting this so fast. It makes me wonder why I wan't able to get the same from Rolex USA in NY, NY. They claim they have no pics to share yet clearly the info is out there. As soon as I knew exactly what to seach for, I was able to locate an example online (see pic I "borrowed" from an online reseller). Thanks again and kudos to this group for out performing an AD and Rolex NY in no-time-flat!

mike · 26 September 2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt L

Mike, you rock! It's a "Champ. m.o.p. roman decorated".

I feel much better now, thanks for posting this so fast. It makes me wonder why I wan't able to get the same from Rolex USA in NY, NY. They claim they have no pics to share yet clearly the info is out there. As soon as I knew exactly what to seach for, I was able to locate an example online (see pic I "borrowed" from an online reseller). Thanks again and kudos to this group for out performing an AD and Rolex NY in no-time-flat!

amanda · 26 September 2006, 05:12 PM

Wow magnificent dial Matt, you are going to be very popular indeed!!!

JJ Irani · 26 September 2006, 05:23 PM

Hi Matt,

A big welcome to TRF. Would really appreciate some pics of the watch. That would be a big help.

Thanks - JJ

Matt L · 26 September 2006, 11:45 PM

I'm scheduled to pickup the watch tomorrow, I'll post a pic for comparison to those I posted earlier, which I "borrowed" from an e-tailer.

Rockrolex · 27 September 2006, 02:41 AM

Welcome to TRF, Matt. Glad you got that little issue cleared away. Now you can present that beautiful anniversary gift with complete confidence.

Stick around and join the fun here. And we love pics of members watches.

JJ Irani · 27 September 2006, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

Welcome to TRF, Matt. Glad you got that little issue cleared away. Now you can present that beautiful anniversary gift with complete confidence.

Stick around and join the fun here. And we love pics of members watches.

Don't you now? Especially mine!!

mailman · 27 September 2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Don't you now? Especially mine!!

Do you mean something orange?

tuscanyrose · 27 September 2006, 11:36 AM

Hi,
It is called the "myriad" dial. Cannot tell you why, but it is available in a mens President version. I have a buddy , AAKVIPER who has one in a double quick. I am sure it came in a ladies version...really nice dial. You will not get hurt. I will try and find it in my reference books...

Best regards,
John
TUSCANYROSE
coda1210@aol.com
732 786 9075

26 September 2006, 09:29 AM	#1
Matt L "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3	Dials - how tell "Rolex Special Order" from "Custom" Yesterday I bought a pre-owned ladies DateJust from a local AD as an anniversary gift, however I've not yet taken delivery (wife was nearby and I was speed-shopping). The watch is two-tone with Oyster band and has a uncommon dial with a beige M.O.P. center, surrounded by a gold-tone ring with Roman numerals. After leaving the store, I spent a couple hours on the net looking to confirm I got a good watch at a fair price but, although I've looked at hundreds of DJ pics, haven't seen anything like the dial face on the watch I purchased. I like the idea that a pre-owned Rolex can hold its value and I don’t want to end up with a watch that has a “custom” dial and a correspondingly lower value, or even a watch that is unusual and that I can’t easily substantiate as 100% authentic. My AD swears to me that this was a "special order" watch that is factory stock from Rolex, however he also tells me that there is no publicly available catalog of these special order dials for me to confirm it as a Rolex offering. He says it is still a “current production, special order dial” and that he will let me see his non-public ordering book, but that he can’t / won’t give me a copy of the dial’s spec sheet to hold as part of my documentation of authenticity (Rolex trade secrets or some such excuse). The AD is one of the largest in the country, I don’t want to insult them with my mistrust, but I’m also a little uncomfortable with the story. I want to have full documentation of this “special order” dial so that if we choose to sell the watch at some future date, a future buyer won’t have these same worries and value the watch for less than its worth. I know that I could send this watch to Rolex for authentication but that would take weeks and cost a couple hundred bucks. With my anniversary date fast approaching, I need to take delivery on this deal or cancel and keep looking for something else. Anyone have any info as to how I can obtain a catalogue of the special order faces Rolex offers for ladies DJ? If I could just look at the current special order options, I know I could pick out the one in question and purchase in confidence if it is real. If a catalogue truly not available, anyone have experience with buying / selling watches with “special order” factory dials? Does the lack of public awareness / information help or hurt valuation and liquidity?

26 September 2006, 09:34 AM	#2
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	First, let me welcome you to TRF, Matt and congratulate you on a wonderful gift I, personally, am not familiar with the dial you have described. But, if the AD you mention is a Rolex AD I couldn't imagine the dial being anything but genuine __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

26 September 2006, 05:23 PM	#7
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Hi Matt, A big welcome to TRF. Would really appreciate some pics of the watch. That would be a big help. Thanks - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

27 September 2006, 02:41 AM	#9
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,790	Welcome to TRF, Matt. Glad you got that little issue cleared away. Now you can present that beautiful anniversary gift with complete confidence. Stick around and join the fun here. And we love pics of members watches. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

27 September 2006, 11:36 AM	#12
tuscanyrose "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: John Buckley Location: NEW JERSEY Watch: X serial 16233 Posts: 5	dial is right... Hi, It is called the "myriad" dial. Cannot tell you why, but it is available in a mens President version. I have a buddy , AAKVIPER who has one in a double quick. I am sure it came in a ladies version...really nice dial. You will not get hurt. I will try and find it in my reference books... Best regards, John TUSCANYROSE coda1210@aol.com 732 786 9075

26 September 2006, 10:24 AM	#3
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Matt, I don't know if this helps, but here's the Ladies DJ dials I'm aware of

26 September 2006, 10:57 AM	#4
Matt L "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3	Mike, you rock! It's a "Champ. m.o.p. roman decorated". I feel much better now, thanks for posting this so fast. It makes me wonder why I wan't able to get the same from Rolex USA in NY, NY. They claim they have no pics to share yet clearly the info is out there. As soon as I knew exactly what to seach for, I was able to locate an example online (see pic I "borrowed" from an online reseller). Thanks again and kudos to this group for out performing an AD and Rolex NY in no-time-flat!

26 September 2006, 05:12 PM	#6
amanda Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,380	Wow magnificent dial Matt, you are going to be very popular indeed!!!

26 September 2006, 11:45 PM	#8
Matt L "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3	I'm scheduled to pickup the watch tomorrow, I'll post a pic for comparison to those I posted earlier, which I "borrowed" from an e-tailer.

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