Would Original Papers Help at AD?

[texan_guy]

I have the original papers for a watch I own which came from an AD in a city that's a few hours away. I'm looking to trade in my watch for another and wondering if presenting the original papers would help getting "picked" for the new watch at the same store. I've heard trading in a watch alone helps but wondering if this would up the ante, so to speak.

[mpkRolex]

Originally Posted by texan_guy

I have the original papers for a watch I own which came from an AD in a city that's a few hours away. I'm looking to trade in my watch for another and wondering if presenting the original papers would help getting "picked" for the new watch at the same store. I've heard trading in a watch alone helps but wondering if this would up the ante, so to speak.

A trade in would not get you "picked" for a new watch of your choice. But if there is one that they are willing to sell you which may not be your choice, then sure it would work.

[texan_guy]

Originally Posted by mpkRolex

A trade in would not get you "picked" for a new watch of your choice. But if there is one that they are willing to sell you which may not be your choice, then sure it would work.

Very helpful. Thanks.

[jitdc]

I think if you have a good relationship with the AD, then the papers won’t really matter much. Plus if it’s from the same store or group they should have a record of you and the purchase in their system.


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[sportsfan0704]

It can’t hurt! Only help

[kilyung]

Papers likely being expired? Unless it’s vintage then not sure AD would care.

[daysky1]

Originally Posted by mpkRolex

A trade in would not get you "picked" for a new watch of your choice. But if there is one that they are willing to sell you which may not be your choice, then sure it would work.

I spoke with an ad about being offered a watch from the safe if I purchased a Cellini that was in the display case. It was either the manager or the owner of the ad and he told me that he would never support such a thing happening in his store. i just wonder if the managers or the owners of the ad know what the salespeople are promoting or doing. I've dealt with a few sales people in my life that were less than honest and didn't seem to have much integrity. i have enough faith in humanity to believe that these are few and far between but nonetheless they are still out there.

[Kevin of Larchmont]

As a trade-in your watch with papers is worth more than your watch without papers so definitely include them. As for getting picked I’m confident that it makes no difference at all.

[Zach69SS]

Op, include everything you have for the watch, this will get the best offer from whomever you decide to sell it or trade it too. This will not help with an allocation of a new piece.
If your AD is part of the Rolex CPO program. They want your watch for resale.

Give it a try.

Cheers,

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by daysky1

i just wonder if the managers or the owners of the ad know what the salespeople are promoting or doing.

If they don't, you can look forward to some fire sale bargains when the store closes.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Papers likely being expired? Unless it’s vintage then not sure AD would care.

Have to agree this so called AD relationship stuff gets more strange every day,ADs are just shops that sells watches nothing more.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Papers likely being expired? Unless it’s vintage then not sure AD would care.

Of course the AD would care, it means the watch they have bought as a trade in is far more sellable, as it comes with its original paperwork.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree this so called AD relationship stuff gets more strange every day,ADs are just shops that sells watches nothing more.

I think you may have misunderstood the point Peter, an AD will look more favourably on a watch being traded in that was complete with paperwork, surely? It means the watch is easier to verify and sell to the next owner if the paperwork comes with the watch.

[1William]

Include it all.

[TinFoilCat]

Originally Posted by texan_guy

I have the original papers for a watch I own which came from an AD in a city that's a few hours away. I'm looking to trade in my watch for another and wondering if presenting the original papers would help getting "picked" for the new watch at the same store. I've heard trading in a watch alone helps but wondering if this would up the ante, so to speak.

Trading in a watch definitely helps as they get the money from both sales… I have first hand experience of this with my local AD in London…. When I put one of mine up as a trade, all of a sudden the “wait list” got a lot shorter… having the papers won’t help you get picked but may increase the trade in value that you are offered.

[77T]

If the AD is participating in the CPO program then the original papers are meaningless for a watch they take as a trade-in. Because they issue a CPO set of collateral, the old watch's paraphernalia are not passed forward.

If the AD is not a CPO program member, then it could help them set a higher price in a vintage resale if it was a full set. However, the OP will be offered not much (if any) more value at trade-in.

And trading in a watch, as many have already said, has little to do with one's place in queue.


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[sportsfan0704]

Originally Posted by 77T

If the AD is participating in the CPO program then the original papers are meaningless for a watch they take as a trade-in. Because they issue a CPO set of collateral, the old watch's paraphernalia are not passed forward.

If the AD is not a CPO program member, then it could help them set a higher price in a vintage resale if it was a full set. However, the OP will be offered not much (if any) more value at trade-in.

And trading in a watch, as many have already said, has little to do with one's place in queue.


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I’m
Not sure about that. There are many cpo watches that come with original boxes and papers

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by 77T

If the AD is participating in the CPO program then the original papers are meaningless for a watch they take as a trade-in. Because they issue a CPO set of collateral, the old watch's paraphernalia are not passed forward.

If the AD is not a CPO program member, then it could help them set a higher price in a vintage resale if it was a full set. However, the OP will be offered not much (if any) more value at trade-in.

And trading in a watch, as many have already said, has little to do with one's place in queue.


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So I'm understanding your point correctly, are you saying watches bought on the CPO scheme do not normally come with original paperwork?

[casadecamporolex]

My experience is that you won’t be able to trade a watch for a coveted piece.
If an AD does a trade, it’s normally on a less desired reference.
And don’t be shocked at how little you will be offered for your trade.

[77T]

Originally Posted by OG1982

So I'm understanding your point correctly, are you saying watches bought on the CPO scheme do not normally come with original paperwork?

No...not CPO...but an AD selling pre-owned could deliver original full sets.

Originally Posted by sportsfan0704

I’m

Not sure about that. There are many cpo watches that come with original boxes and papers

No, not CPO.




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[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by 77T

If the AD is participating in the CPO program then the original papers are meaningless for a watch they take as a trade-in. Because they issue a CPO set of collateral, the old watch's paraphernalia are not passed forward.


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This is not accurate. CPO watches are priced for sale accordingly depending on whether or not they include original box and documentation. Also about two months ago when I traded in a 14060m against a 116600 I was dinged $520 off the original quoted trade-in credit because while I had the box and sales receipt I did not have the warranty card I thought I had. This is part of the reason why you will see identical CPO models on the same website at different prices. The geek details have perceived value.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Kevin of Larchmont

This is not accurate. CPO watches are priced for sale accordingly depending on whether or not they include original box and documentation. Also about two months ago when I traded in a 14060m against a 116600 I was dinged $520 off the original quoted trade-in credit because while I had the box and sales receipt I did not have the warranty card I thought I had. This is part of the reason why you will see identical CPO models on the same website at different prices. The geek details have perceived value.

Please take a closer look at what Rolex does for CPO.

What your AD did was despicable.


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[OG1982]

Originally Posted by Kevin of Larchmont

This is not accurate. CPO watches are priced for sale accordingly depending on whether or not they include original box and documentation. Also about two months ago when I traded in a 14060m against a 116600 I was dinged $520 off the original quoted trade-in credit because while I had the box and sales receipt I did not have the warranty card I thought I had. This is part of the reason why you will see identical CPO models on the same website at different prices. The geek details have perceived value.

Yeah, I don't think this is accurate at all. Why would an AD throw away the original paperwork? Makes no sense at all.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by 77T

Please take a closer look at what Rolex does for CPO.

What your AD did was despicable.


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Well, blow me down with a feather...

I've just checked the listings on the CPO watches at my local AD, it specifies a box but no mention of the original paperwork. This surprises me greatly, and the original papers may be supplied as part of the transaction, but it's not advertised as such.

[sportsfan0704]

Originally Posted by 77T

Please take a closer look at what Rolex does for CPO.

What your AD did was despicable.


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It does that for CPO, but they also give you the box and original paperwork or warranty card if it was sold to the AD that way. I went to a dealer with CPO (bucherer) and they specifically told me which pieces I was inquiring about had the original warranty card


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[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by 77T

Please take a closer look at what Rolex does for CPO.

What your AD did was despicable.


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I have. I did.

When discussing the trade I mistakenly told the AD I had the box, receipt and warranty card (I bought the watch used in 2016). When it came down to the transaction I could not produce the warranty card as discussed so they adjusted their offer accordingly. So maybe that makes me the despicable one. Even so they gave me 60% more than a paid for it in 2016. It was a painless transaction.

[worldofoyster]

chance is slim

[77T]

Well I expect many people have varying and different experiences.

For the avoidance of doubt, the policy I quoted in the website screenshot is non-negotiable for Rolex CPO SKUs.

If anyone has received the original collateral, regardless of its type, then that watch was either:
1) Not actually CPO and you'll know because you didn't get the white seal.
2) AD derivative where they have their own certified servicing center.

Rolex absolutely doesn't ship that old collateral when they do the CPO themselves.


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[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by 77T

Well I expect many people have varying and different experiences.

For the avoidance of doubt, the policy I quoted in the website screenshot is non-negotiable for Rolex CPO SKUs.

If anyone has received the original collateral, regardless of its type, then that watch was either:
1) Not actually CPO and you'll know because you didn't get the white seal.
2) AD derivative where they have their own certified servicing center.

Rolex absolutely doesn't ship that old collateral when they do the CPO themselves.


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We’ll, purely in the spirit of spirited dialogue if an AD buys a watch for CPO and services that watch to CPO standards and then sends that watch back to Rolex for CPO verification and new warranty card, pouch, box and white tag then what is there to prohibit the AD from reuniting that watch with its original associated collateral paraphernalia upon return and presentation for sale?

[77T]

Originally Posted by Kevin of Larchmont

We’ll, purely in the spirit of spirited dialogue if an AD buys a watch for CPO and services that watch to CPO standards and then sends that watch back to Rolex for CPO verification and new warranty card, pouch, box and white tag then what is there to prohibit the AD from reuniting that watch with its original associated collateral paraphernalia upon return and presentation for sale?

Good question
Only their scruples


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