Red Dial Submariner Abuse

[JohnBaker3]

Here is another redsub that has received the complete RSC "update".

I'm guessing that they have cut the value of the watch by 50% with new hands, dial, insert, and crown....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Mens...item20e22810cb

Be safe.

[CrownMe]

It's says the hour plot glow but that's definitely not a service dial.

[Vincent65]

I don't see new hands, dial or insert - crown may be newer.

[nickb732]

Looks pristine, is that possible? The bracelet looks a bit strange though..

[JohnBaker3]

Originally Posted by nickb732

Looks pristine, is that possible? The bracelet looks a bit strange though..

Come on guys....he claims it is a 1971 vintage watch....zero patina

This is what a 1970 looks like....something isn't right....

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

Come on guys....he claims it is a 1971 vintage watch....zero patina

This is what a 1970 looks like....something isn't right....

Not all vintage subs get patina. The Red you posted does not have a service dial. Service dials say "Swiss" at the bottom. Typically watches that got a lot of sun light in there life kept there white color. There are exceptions of course.

Service parts are very easy to spot and this Red doesn't have them. Well at least the dial, hands, and insert. Maybe the pearl was replaced during a service. Other then that this is actually a pretty nice red for the price.

[JohnBaker3]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

Not all vintage subs get patina. The Red you posted does not have a service dial. Service dials say "Swiss" at the bottom. Typically watches that got a lot of sun light in there life kept there white color. There are exceptions of course.

Service parts are very easy to spot and this Red doesn't have them. Well at least the dial, hands, and insert. Maybe the pearl was replaced during a service. Other then that this is actually a pretty nice red for the price.

Thanks for the info; so many things about these vintage watches to muddy the waters...

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

Thanks for the info; so many things about these vintage watches to muddy the waters...

No problem John. There are many variables when it comes to Rolex and it will take a lifetime to understand half of them

[bwood74]

The case looks awesome, almost too good

[NukeMan]

The patina looks similar to my 1967 GMT 1675 (Mark 1 dial). I have no re-lume, no nothing. So yes, watches of that age can look like that.

[dysondiver]

Originally Posted by nickb732

Looks pristine, is that possible? The bracelet looks a bit strange though..

endlinks look funny unless its my imagination , but ive nothing to compare it to ,,, but ,,,

[springer]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

Come on guys....he claims it is a 1971 vintage watch....zero patina

This is what a 1970 looks like....something isn't right....

Is this a test? If it is, I don't believe you will pass this course!

[springer]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

Not all vintage subs get patina. The Red you posted does not have a service dial. Service dials say "Swiss" at the bottom. Typically watches that got a lot of sun light in there life kept there white color. There are exceptions of course.

Service parts are very easy to spot and this Red doesn't have them. Well at least the dial, hands, and insert. Maybe the pearl was replaced during a service. Other then that this is actually a pretty nice red for the price.

Most service dials read SWISS but there are others that read SWISS - T<25.

[bwood74]

Springer are you saying something's wrong with this watch?

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by springer

Most service dials read SWISS but there are others that read SWISS - T<25.

Service dials for Reds only say "Swiss" at the bottom

[azguy]

I go in that place a lot, he has some incredible watches. About 6 months ago he had a double red sea dweller that was MINT, said someone walked in with it and said they wanted to sell it as it had been in a bank deposit box from over 20 years and it looked it...

I may swing by tomorrow and look at this baby...

[Jason71]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

Here is another redsub that has received the complete RSC "update".

I'm guessing that they have cut the value of the watch by 50% with new hands, dial, insert, and crown....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Mens...item20e22810cb

Be safe.

Here is what a red luminova service dial looks like. And it is NOT worth 50% less than an original Red sub. Some people prefer 'new-looking'. You find me any red sub for $6,000-$7,000 and I will happily buy it unless it is a total mess.

[dysondiver]

i like that look jason ,, best of all worlds .

[JohnBaker3]

Here is a red sub that is listed over at HQ Milton for $18,800...still seems strange that the one I linked in the OP is just $9800....what am I missing?

Thanks.

[Vincent65]

B&p?!

[nycpassat]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

Here is a red sub that is listed over at HQ Milton for $18,800...still seems strange that the one I linked in the OP is just $9800....what am I missing?

Thanks.

you need to read the description again in HQ Milton.

With regards to the ebay link, I don't see any major issues with the watch...

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by nycpassat

you need to read the description again in HQ Milton.

With regards to the ebay link, I don't see any major issues with the watch...

I read the HQ description...mk v dial with blemishes. I guess the premium they're placing on it is in the b&p? I hope they get it but...8-10k extra for box and papers?

[nycpassat]

Originally Posted by southtexas

I read the HQ description...mk v dial with blemishes. I guess the premium they're placing on it is in the b&p? I hope they get it but...8-10k extra for box and papers?

Probably more towards ~$6k since the last two without box and papers he had advertised for ~$12k. Appears prices have gone since.

[springer]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

Service dials for Reds only say "Swiss" at the bottom

So not to confuse anyone,

The service dials had white-lettered Submariner and SWISS - T < 25, the SWISS marked dials (luminova) with the Submariner in red print came later.

[Beef]

Originally Posted by springer

So not to confuse anyone,

The service dials had white-lettered Submariner and SWISS - T < 25, the SWISS marked dials (luminova) with the Submariner in red print came later.

To further muddle the waters: I have an an EXP 1016 with an RSC service dial that has SWISS - T<25 and is Luminova. As you know Rolex removed the tritium and over printed the dial with Luminova for a couple of years after discontinuing tritium. I am sure that this could also apply to Red Sub dials. Have you seen one of those?

[Beef]

Originally Posted by Jason71

Here is what a red luminova service dial looks like. And it is NOT worth 50% less than an original Red sub. Some people prefer 'new-looking'. You find me any red sub for $6,000-$7,000 and I will happily buy it unless it is a total mess.

Definitely best of both worlds! One of those is very high on my want list!

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by springer

So not to confuse anyone,

The service dials had white-lettered Submariner and SWISS - T < 25, the SWISS marked dials (luminova) with the Submariner in red print came later.

Ok let's try this again.


RED service dials with Red submariner print Only say "Swiss" at the bottom.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Beef

To further muddle the waters: I have an an EXP 1016 with an RSC service dial that has SWISS - T<25 and is Luminova. As you know Rolex removed the tritium and over printed the dial with Luminova for a couple of years after discontinuing tritium. I am sure that this could also apply to Red Sub dials. Have you seen one of those?

Yes there are service dials with luminova marked SWISS - T<25. I can't tell you ever dial model that used them, but I would think it was done to them all. I had a thread here a few months ago that provided examples and photos of GMT service dials marked SWISS and SWISS - T<25 that were luminova.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by springer

So not to confuse anyone,

The service dials had white-lettered Submariner and SWISS - T < 25, the SWISS marked dials (luminova) with the Submariner in red print came later.

I think we saw a similar example of that here recently, with the guy from Bermuda who had the DRSD but with white-lettered service T dial.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by nycpassat

Probably more towards ~$6k since the last two without box and papers he had advertised for ~$12k. Appears prices have gone since.

On a related note, when I picked up mine, I had my jeweler call the guy he got it from (the original owner), and the guy is keeping an eye out in his old stuff for the box and papers. The guy hasn't moved homes in forever and thinks he'll stumble across them someday. Fingers crossed...