correct matte dial for 16750?

[kstevens7236]

Hi, I'm a long time user of the forums and have found pervious posts to be very helpful during my Rolex journey. This is my first post. I have a specific question that I have not found a answer on. I'm doing research on a 16750 matte dial Rolex I recently picked up. The watch has a 8.2 serial number. It dates to 1984. I could use some feedback on matte dials for the 16750.

I haven't seen a clear answer on how the 16750 matte dials correspond to specific serial ranges. My understanding is that there are two versions of the 16750 matte dial. A mk1 matte dial and a mk2 matte dial. However, I'm not 100% sure how they were used by Rolex. I know matte dials were on the 16750 from about 1979 to 1984. But I'm unclear on how Rolex used mk1 and mk2 dials during that time.

I will try to attach a photo of my 16750 with a 8.2 serial range. It would be helpful to know what version of the 16750 matte dial this is? It clearly has the 'A' in Master over the 'CR' in Chronometer.

I will say, that during my research, I have seen far fewer versions of the matte dial with 'A' in Master over the 'CR' in Chronometer in 16750s from 1984. I have seen far more 16750s from 1984 with the matte dial that has 'A' in Master over CH' in Chronometer.

Is the dial on my 16750 correct given it's 8.2 serial number? Any feedback is appreciated. Particularly from those who have experience with the 16750s. I know 1984 is a tricky year for the 16750 when it comes to dials.

[TimeToGo]

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Welcome to the Forum

I usually do not worry about what 16750 matte dial belongs to which serial range because both versions are found throughout their production years. Up and down, down and up..

Here is some information to help you with the differences:

https://gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?f...51d437a7be3fe8

[alwayshere]

As TTG says, its fine.

Is that a picture taken from an iphone? man the quality of the pics are so much worse now...

[springer]

The early 16750 matte dials can be found with the Mark II dial. Later during the 7 million serial number range you find the Mark I. I've also seen several examples of 8.2 million serial numbers with the glossy dial.

As a side note, yes, the first matte dial was called the Mark II for the GMT 16750 and the second variation was called the Mark I. I have no idea why, except that the person that originally put the numbers to the dial variations had it wrong and it was corrected by other collectors but the dial numbers were kept with the original dials they identified.

So, the first variation of the matte 16750 is referred to as the Mark II and the next variation appearing sometime during the 7 million serial range is the Mark I. The remainder of the matte dials from the 7 million range seem to be mostly Mark Is and some Mark IIs.

[kstevens7236]

Thank you so much for your responses. I really appreciate it.

TimeToGo - thank you for sharing the link to gmt forum. I have reviewed that resource before. Very helpful. I figured that we might have more details on the use of mk1 and mk2 matte dials since that resource was published.

alwayshere - thank you for your input. Apologies for the poor photo quality. I’m new to posting on the forums, so I may have messed up when uploading the photo. I always had to play around with the sizing of the photo.

springer - thank you so much for your response. Reviewing some of your previous post on 16750s has been very helpful. Particularly as I reviewed the condition of the 16750 I recently picked up. Also the website gmt forum.

springer - Can you provide some clarification? Does it go mk2 matte dial, then switch to mk1 matte dial during the 7 million serial range, and then switch back to mk2 matte dial exclusively at some point? Or are you saying in 7 million serial range, we see the first use of mk1 matte dials. However, from that point forward, it’s acceptable to see mk1 matte dials and mk2 matte dials from the 7 million serial range until the end of the use of matte dials in 16750s.

I was concerned that a mk2 dial may not be correct for my 16750 with a 8.2 serial number from 1984. I just haven’t seen many mk2 dials on 16750 from 1984. I see far more mk1 dials during that year of production. I thought it might be interesting to start a conversation on this for myself and other future collectors.

It sounds like a mk2 matte dial and a mk1 matte dial can be correct for a 8.2 serial number? If so, I’ll just wear my watch and enjoy it.

[TuRo]

My input concurrs as per JP and ttg - Tiny fun-fact never mentioned here I think ...there is a very small volume of the gloss wg dials (that also 'spider' quite often btw), where the hyphen (-) does not sit directly under the 30 min marker btw too.

As per : Rolex GMT-Master
£11,115
https://chrono24.app/rolex/gmt-maste...GB&SETCURR=GBP

[kstevens7236]

TuRo - thank you for your input. That’s interesting. I have never seen that before on a 16750 glossy dial. I’ll definitely have to look into that detail.

[TimeToGo]

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Here we go..
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[TuRo]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

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Here we go..
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