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stevemulholland3 · 10 March 2010, 03:04 PM

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and I suspect many of these fakes are sitting unnoticed in quite a few colections as we speak!
these 1680's have genuine dials and movements and the case appears authentic to the untrained eye..
this one was sent to me as genuine and within the firsat 5 minutes I knew it was a fake..
first give away was that the standard caseback tool worked but was slightly too large for this caseback and didnt grab right..now I knew something wasnt right at that moment..a caseback would have to be majorly worn down to have that much play,and this one didnt appear worn down..next I checked the serial number and reference..dear lord,I should have noticed that immediately..look at the center line of the "E"s in reg design first off..they are even with upper and lower line.. the center line should always be shorter than the top and the bottom line.
then the depth and quality of the engraving was the next give away..nowhere near Rolex quality!
and the topping on the cake was the inside caseback.the stamping Is just way too undefined and double stamped,not to mention again too shallow.
hopefully this little info will aid collectors and dealers alike to double check their inventory!
this one came from a dealer,and I hope at least he had no clue...

Yazo · 10 March 2010, 03:09 PM

Jesus.

ParisDakarBmw · 10 March 2010, 03:10 PM

Good work Steve! I learned allot from this thread! Thanks!

Singslinger · 10 March 2010, 04:34 PM

Good to know - thanks for the post Steve.

PS. I hope the TRF member who posted yesterday about possibly buying a 1680 off the Net reads this...

Changmaisausage · 10 March 2010, 04:38 PM

Scary you never know what your bying as pointed out the dealer did not even pick up on this copy.

general · 10 March 2010, 04:44 PM

Very informative. Thanks

stevemulholland3 · 10 March 2010, 05:34 PM

thats the exact reason why every watch that I get in is completely disassembled to ensure that every part is 100% authnetic..I wouldnt have it any other way!

mcjca · 10 March 2010, 05:55 PM

Great info. Thanks for taking the time to share this valuable information!!

Daytonamania · 10 March 2010, 06:51 PM

S@IT !!! I would never know what to look for ,so it is so gratifying to see a Pro like Steve showing us all this info.
Makes me even more worried about buying a vintage piece.
Will definitely check any further finds on here first.
Thanks..

Hawk99 · 10 March 2010, 07:09 PM

Thank you Steve! Got out my pics of my 1680 caseback and all is good. Keep on watch!

Tony-GB · 10 March 2010, 07:58 PM

Superb info Steve. Thanks for sharing.

If it wasn't for people like you & Orchi there would be alot less WIS education about.

swatty · 10 March 2010, 08:01 PM

Great post, thanks Steve

Nicko · 10 March 2010, 08:21 PM

SNAP!!!! Thanks Steve, they are getting better every day....Pretty soon we won't be able to trust anyone but those here who are in the know. I wouldn't trust and AD either nowadays, they have been known to sell fakes as well..

Rscmaine · 10 March 2010, 08:29 PM

I could own that for years and never know. Was the movement Rolex or ETA? Was it just the case?

As I read your post, they took an authentic movt, dial and hands and recased in a fake 1680 case to boost the value? (sort of like adding antifreeze to Qualitatswein to make Spaetlese - a practise unscrupulous winemakers do in Germany and Austria)

gone-rolex-mad · 10 March 2010, 08:58 PM

Good info. Thanks

1000ftSub · 10 March 2010, 09:14 PM

Thanks you for the post Steve! But is this real new to anybody? I mean its crazy how many products are counterfeited, even Colgate toothpaste has been faked

. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMPvHb68aNo

TheDude · 10 March 2010, 10:55 PM

Good thing I bought mine from you Steve!!!

The inside of the caseback you just showed is nothing like a real one.

Casey VP-26 · 10 March 2010, 11:02 PM

Thanks for taking the time to inform us. REGARDS

stevemulholland3 · 10 March 2010, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rscmaine

I could own that for years and never know. Was the movement Rolex or ETA? Was it just the case?

As I read your post, they took an authentic movt, dial and hands and recased in a fake 1680 case to boost the value? (sort of like adding antifreeze to Qualitatswein to make Spaetlese - a practise unscrupulous winemakers do in Germany and Austria)

it had an authentic Rolex movement..and authentic dial/hands and bezel..
so with a cursory inspection it would appear 100% genuine..
someone was saying about even AD's selling fakes.
I went into an authorized dealer last week and he had a few Rolex bracelets in his case (used) and among them priced just as all the rest was a fake band..and not a good fake at that!..lol
so your 100% correct,these authorized dealers know nothing when it comes
to vintage or even classic watches!

idk01 · 10 March 2010, 11:50 PM

Thanks for the heads up Steve, I've heard that there are a few vintage fakes running around the genuine parts, pretty scary when buying a vintage these days they will need dismantling to prove authenticity

Will keep an ear to the ground!

valentine · 10 March 2010, 11:53 PM

as SOON as I start to learn enough about them to purchase...they go and do this! son of a B****!!!!!!!!!

TattooedGQ · 10 March 2010, 11:54 PM

That's Crazy Steve.....thanks for the info.

smallcandle · 10 March 2010, 11:59 PM

Thanks for the info, Steve! We're all so glad that you are an active member of this community and share your considerable knowledge.

cronin · 11 March 2010, 12:03 AM

Thanks for the information Steve, I hate all of the fakes on the market today. It makes me frightened to ever buy a vintage piece, except here on TRF of course!

jets · 11 March 2010, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cronin

Thanks for the information Steve, I hate all of the fakes on the market today. It makes me frightened to ever buy a vintage piece, except here on TRF of coruse!

+1!

I think the only place I'd buy vintage from is you Steve!!!!!

CaveDiver · 11 March 2010, 12:28 AM

The whole Rolex thing has me on nails about my father’s watch since it was given to me. He has had it since the early 70’s and still it managed to get an aftermarket bezel ring. Still puzzled about the dial. Very nerve-racking. I wonder how many stay away from Rolex because of the treat of getting scammed.

CorruptedSanity · 11 March 2010, 01:07 AM

Its people like you who add value to communities like these.

Thanks Steve.

TheBluePrince · 11 March 2010, 01:07 AM

I was saying to some people the other day, that it's so easy and easy profit making to fake the Red subs and double Red Dwellers both this way and others now that i wouldn't buy one unless it had full paperwork and history. Just not worth it. Unless you don't mind it not being original or pay a lot less because it is not 100% original.

HL65 · 11 March 2010, 01:14 AM

That is beyond scary!!! Great info Steve!!

joeychitwood · 11 March 2010, 03:26 AM

Thanks for taking the time to post the photos and information, Steve. It makes all of us better buyers and sellers. The scary thing is that soon enough, the forgers will figure out the little details like the fonts, etc. and determining authenticity will be almost impossible for an average enthusiast.

10 March 2010, 03:04 PM	#1
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	know your enemy,1680 fakes are running rampant! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and I suspect many of these fakes are sitting unnoticed in quite a few colections as we speak! these 1680's have genuine dials and movements and the case appears authentic to the untrained eye.. this one was sent to me as genuine and within the firsat 5 minutes I knew it was a fake.. first give away was that the standard caseback tool worked but was slightly too large for this caseback and didnt grab right..now I knew something wasnt right at that moment..a caseback would have to be majorly worn down to have that much play,and this one didnt appear worn down..next I checked the serial number and reference..dear lord,I should have noticed that immediately..look at the center line of the "E"s in reg design first off..they are even with upper and lower line.. the center line should always be shorter than the top and the bottom line. then the depth and quality of the engraving was the next give away..nowhere near Rolex quality! and the topping on the cake was the inside caseback.the stamping Is just way too undefined and double stamped,not to mention again too shallow. hopefully this little info will aid collectors and dealers alike to double check their inventory! this one came from a dealer,and I hope at least he had no clue...

10 March 2010, 04:38 PM	#5
Changmaisausage "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: David Location: UK/Qatar Watch: SeaDweller Posts: 470	Scary you never know what your bying as pointed out the dealer did not even pick up on this copy. __________________ Patek Phillipe / Rolex / Tudor

10 March 2010, 07:58 PM	#11
Tony-GB "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: Oxfordshire, UK Watch: 116680 & 116622 Posts: 3,953	Superb info Steve. Thanks for sharing. If it wasn't for people like you & Orchi there would be alot less WIS education about. __________________ "...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org

10 March 2010, 08:29 PM	#14
Rscmaine "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Nat Parkinson Location: Maine, USA Watch: me pull a rabbit.. Posts: 1,196	I could own that for years and never know. Was the movement Rolex or ETA? Was it just the case? As I read your post, they took an authentic movt, dial and hands and recased in a fake 1680 case to boost the value? (sort of like adding antifreeze to Qualitatswein to make Spaetlese - a practise unscrupulous winemakers do in Germany and Austria) __________________ When the alien spaceships actually landed, to everyone's surprise, it turned out that the world's governments had not been hiding anything. They were just as clueless as the rest of us!

10 March 2010, 08:58 PM	#15
gone-rolex-mad "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Andalucia Spain Watch: WG daydate-Daytona Posts: 1,338	Good info. Thanks __________________ Choose to allocate your time to imbeciles at your peril!

10 March 2010, 03:09 PM	#2
Yazo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,812	Jesus.

10 March 2010, 03:10 PM	#3
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Good work Steve! I learned allot from this thread! Thanks!

10 March 2010, 04:34 PM	#4
Singslinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: singapore Posts: 6,424	Good to know - thanks for the post Steve. PS. I hope the TRF member who posted yesterday about possibly buying a 1680 off the Net reads this...

10 March 2010, 04:44 PM	#6
general "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 723	Very informative. Thanks

10 March 2010, 05:34 PM	#7
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	thats the exact reason why every watch that I get in is completely disassembled to ensure that every part is 100% authnetic..I wouldnt have it any other way!

10 March 2010, 05:55 PM	#8
mcjca "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Mike Location: CA Watch: SS Sub, BB GMT Posts: 139	Great info. Thanks for taking the time to share this valuable information!!

10 March 2010, 06:51 PM	#9
Daytonamania "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: nigel Location: Wales Watch: SS Daytona/DSSD/LV Posts: 267	S@IT !!! I would never know what to look for ,so it is so gratifying to see a Pro like Steve showing us all this info. Makes me even more worried about buying a vintage piece. Will definitely check any further finds on here first. Thanks..

10 March 2010, 07:09 PM	#10
Hawk99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: BC Posts: 388	Thank you Steve! Got out my pics of my 1680 caseback and all is good. Keep on watch!

10 March 2010, 08:01 PM	#12
swatty 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,409	Great post, thanks Steve

10 March 2010, 08:21 PM	#13
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	SNAP!!!! Thanks Steve, they are getting better every day....Pretty soon we won't be able to trust anyone but those here who are in the know. I wouldn't trust and AD either nowadays, they have been known to sell fakes as well..

10 March 2010, 09:14 PM	#16
1000ftSub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Orlando Posts: 2,471	Thanks you for the post Steve! But is this real new to anybody? I mean its crazy how many products are counterfeited, even Colgate toothpaste has been faked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMPvHb68aNo

10 March 2010, 10:55 PM	#17
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	Good thing I bought mine from you Steve!!! The inside of the caseback you just showed is nothing like a real one.

10 March 2010, 11:02 PM	#18
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,712	Thanks for taking the time to inform us. REGARDS

10 March 2010, 11:50 PM	#20
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Thanks for the heads up Steve, I've heard that there are a few vintage fakes running around the genuine parts, pretty scary when buying a vintage these days they will need dismantling to prove authenticity Will keep an ear to the ground! __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

10 March 2010, 11:53 PM	#21
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	as SOON as I start to learn enough about them to purchase...they go and do this! son of a B****!!!!!!!!!

10 March 2010, 11:54 PM	#22
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	That's Crazy Steve.....thanks for the info. __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

10 March 2010, 11:59 PM	#23
smallcandle "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Kansas Watch: 16610, Omega PO Posts: 1,898	Thanks for the info, Steve! We're all so glad that you are an active member of this community and share your considerable knowledge.

11 March 2010, 12:03 AM	#24
cronin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Drew Location: . Posts: 299	Thanks for the information Steve, I hate all of the fakes on the market today. It makes me frightened to ever buy a vintage piece, except here on TRF of course!

11 March 2010, 12:28 AM	#26
CaveDiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,075	The whole Rolex thing has me on nails about my father’s watch since it was given to me. He has had it since the early 70’s and still it managed to get an aftermarket bezel ring. Still puzzled about the dial. Very nerve-racking. I wonder how many stay away from Rolex because of the treat of getting scammed.

11 March 2010, 01:07 AM	#27
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	Its people like you who add value to communities like these. Thanks Steve.

11 March 2010, 01:07 AM	#28
TheBluePrince "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 2,081	I was saying to some people the other day, that it's so easy and easy profit making to fake the Red subs and double Red Dwellers both this way and others now that i wouldn't buy one unless it had full paperwork and history. Just not worth it. Unless you don't mind it not being original or pay a lot less because it is not 100% original.

11 March 2010, 01:14 AM	#29
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,947	That is beyond scary!!! Great info Steve!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

11 March 2010, 03:26 AM	#30
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	Thanks for taking the time to post the photos and information, Steve. It makes all of us better buyers and sellers. The scary thing is that soon enough, the forgers will figure out the little details like the fonts, etc. and determining authenticity will be almost impossible for an average enthusiast.

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