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77T 18 February 2022 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedbird-1 (Post 11997819)
Some small comfort.


Yeah see 3235 -not the movement but the post :chuckle:


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SDGT3 18 February 2022 01:35 AM

Not a surprise and Masi gets buried in some back office somewhere never to be seen again. Mercedes wanted their pound of flesh and they got it. I'm of the opinion that Masi's comment on the radio, "It's a motor race, Toto", didn't sit well with someone so powerful in F1.

Let's see how the new format of multiple RD's and "VAR" goes but motor racing is fluid and unlike soccer/futbol, unless there's a red flag, you can't stop the action.

enjoythemusic 18 February 2022 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T (Post 11997813)
Now the tandem RDs and virtual remote senior advisors are a new challenge to consistent race calls.

Truly do hope so. Honestly i very much do.

Am sure enemies will be made as i say the below....

At this point i don't care about 2022 as the time has passed and it is what it is. HAM made errors, especially at the end as he didn't protect the inside as he was passed there before and did not learn. i bet if Alonso was driver instead of HAM, then Alonso would have won the title given the same situation.

Can't help but have the feeling as long as the action appeases the sponsors while entertaining the audience is key. PCorrectness has gotten the better of the sport IMHO.

Am of the thought that perhaps vintage / gentlemen racing is really where the honest action is at nowadays (and 24 Hours Of Le Mans / Daytona). Gentlemen racers and all that. :thumbsup:

Plus there's eSports....

JMHO

Am very much looking fwd to F1 2023, let the entertainment begin :thumbsup:

Entertain me....


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PS: ALL F1 DRIVERS should already be fully 'scanned' for AR / VR, and be VERY careful who they license the ability to use said data, which is revocable via contract. This should be completely outside F1 other than data owners licensing F1 to allow them (F1) the ability to use said data under contract (revocable on demand).

texasmade 18 February 2022 01:49 AM

Is everyone also forgetting the fact that Masi made 2 other HUGE safety errors? He allowed cars to unlap on track when race marshals were still cleaning the track one race and allowed qualifying to start under wet conditions when cranes were still removing a car.

Those 2 safety blunders and not following proper protocols in Abu Dhabi really showed he really wasn't fit for the role. He too often fell to the pressure of putting on a good show.

Speedbird-1 18 February 2022 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by texasmade (Post 11997879)
Is everyone also forgetting the fact that Masi made 2 other HUGE safety errors? He allowed cars to unlap on track when race marshals were still cleaning the track one race and allowed qualifying to start under wet conditions when cranes were still removing a car.

Those 2 safety blunders and not following proper protocols in Abu Dhabi really showed he really wasn't fit for the role. He too often fell to the pressure of putting on a good show.


"Potestate magna venit magnus responsabilitate".

I wonder how dear Charlie Whiting, would have handled that last race?

77T 18 February 2022 03:06 AM

The Official Formula One Thread!
 
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Originally Posted by Speedbird-1 (Post 11997927)
"Potestate magna venit magnus responsabilitate".

I wonder how dear Charlie Whiting, would have handled that last race?


When two imperatives conflict, I’d guess Charlie would’ve gone with the safest path.

I don’t know he would’ve used the Red Flag - but that’d been an option upon the initial hit by LAT with several laps to go.

The lapped cars would’ve been repositioned in pit lane, all cars would be equalized on tires and off you go with perhaps 2-3 laps of G/F racing.

Who knows how that would’ve played out? I’d guess HAM would’ve prevailed unless VER took them both out @T4 (and if VER did, same outcome - VER is WDC)

If he hadn’t done R/F, then he’d have likely sent the lapped cars thru pitlane to rejoin at the back of the pack. That would’ve been safer than waving them around with boots on the ground.

Then the result would’ve been no different for HAM - VER is WDC.

Just my 2¢


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texasmade 18 February 2022 04:11 AM

Only caveat on the no RF is if the lapped cars were sent around the race would've ended under SC.

jatco 18 February 2022 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T (Post 11997987)
When two imperatives conflict, I’d guess Charlie would’ve gone with the safest path.

I don’t know he would’ve used the Red Flag - but that’d been an option upon the initial hit by LAT with several laps to go.

The lapped cars would’ve been repositioned in pit lane, all cars would be equalized on tires and off you go with perhaps 2-3 laps of G/F racing.

Who knows how that would’ve played out? I’d guess HAM would’ve prevailed unless VER took them both out @T4 (and if VER did, same outcome - VER is WDC)

If he hadn’t done R/F, then he’d have likely sent the lapped cars thru pitlane to rejoin at the back of the pack. That would’ve been safer than waving them around with boots on the ground.

Then the result would’ve been no different for HAM - VER is WDC.

Just my 2¢


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I concur on that...

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Originally Posted by texasmade (Post 11998086)
Only caveat on the no RF is if the lapped cars were sent around the race would've ended under SC.

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It wouldn't be the 1st time that happened (tho not on a final, deciding race) ..that I can recall...:thinking:

Goin2drt 18 February 2022 06:28 AM

Proof right there the last race was a joke. Hope MV enjoys his freebie ��

drjrhc 18 February 2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt (Post 11998321)
Proof right there the last race was a joke. Hope MV enjoys his freebie ��


I don’t understand this comment.

Max raced one hell of a season. It was, for intents and purposes, no “freebie”.

Masi is human. He made a judgment call.

Hamilton is no angel. He has ruined Max’s race a few times. Not to mention Albon in 2020.

Max was the better driver in 21. Period. Last race included.


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snowgoat 18 February 2022 09:43 AM

Max raced well for the season. He merits a championship. If you can’t see how that last race was corrupted by race control decisions after all the information and analysis provided you are too cognitively biased to be making comment. Hamilton raced well over the season and was equally deserving and the ultimate suspension of Masi and changes made are tacit if not explicit acknowledgment that serious errors in race control were a feature of the whole season and ultimately unforgivable with a championship on the line.

Goin2drt 18 February 2022 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by drjrhc (Post 11998622)
I don’t understand this comment.

Max raced one hell of a season. It was, for intents and purposes, no “freebie”.

Masi is human. He made a judgment call.

Hamilton is no angel. He has ruined Max’s race a few times. Not to mention Albon in 2020.

Max was the better driver in 21. Period. Last race included.


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Nothing to do with Hamilton not being an angel. The last race he should have won but it was fixed. Had he won like he should have without interference from Masi then he would be the champion plain and simple. Has nothing to do with other races,him being a jerk or not. Bottom line Masi gave the final race win to MV which LH clearly was better as he was leading not MV.

joli160 18 February 2022 11:53 AM

Easy way out for the FIA but a poor call.
Since when can a team in any sport decide who is the referee.

I never buy a Merc again :chuckle:

texasmade 18 February 2022 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by joli160 (Post 11998885)
Easy way out for the FIA but a poor call.
Since when can a team in any sport decide who is the referee.

I never buy a Merc again :chuckle:

Happens quite often in US sports. Certain refs don’t referee certain teams. An example is the referee from the Tom Brady tuck rule game against the Raiders. That ref never did another Raiders game after that. It’s best for the league to remove any perceived bias.

SDGT3 18 February 2022 12:23 PM

Lewis committed 3 infractions in 2 races with ZERO penalties. Absolutely nothing about Max’s well earned championship is tainted. The decision on Masi's job was most likely these inconsistencies throughout the entire season along with the final race decision.

77T 18 February 2022 01:36 PM

Just for clarity, the different incidents for which either HAM or VER were (or were not) penalized were the result of Steward Decisions - not influenced by, nor levied by, the Race Director.


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Old Expat Beast 18 February 2022 03:13 PM

The next Drive to Survive season arriving Netflix March 11.

Andad 18 February 2022 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedbird-1 (Post 11997927)
"Potestate magna venit magnus responsabilitate".

I wonder how dear Charlie Whiting, would have handled that last race?


Zło, które czynią ludzie, żyje po nich; dobro często jest pogrzebane w ich kościach.

:cheers:

sokoloka 18 February 2022 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by strettyend (Post 11997777)
Ooof the new Ferrari looks really good

Very aggressive. Really dig it.

sokoloka 18 February 2022 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Andad (Post 11999308)
Zło, które czynią ludzie, żyje po nich; dobro często jest pogrzebane w ich kościach.

:cheers:

Can't say I expected to log on here today and see this!

Andad 18 February 2022 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by drjrhc (Post 11998622)
I don’t understand this comment.

Max raced one hell of a season. It was, for intents and purposes, no “freebie”.

Masi is human. He made a judgment call.

Hamilton is no angel. He has ruined Max’s race a few times. Not to mention Albon in 2020.

Max was the better driver in 21. Period. Last race included.


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If “freebie” means Max was handed the last race win on a plate then yes it was a “freebie”.:chuckle::chuckle:

LH had the race won and and an explanation for him losing it to MV has never been presented?

Speedbird-1 18 February 2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joli160 (Post 11998885)
Easy way out for the FIA but a poor call.
Since when can a team in any sport decide who is the referee.

I never buy a Merc again :chuckle:

So you'll be purchasing a Red Bull instead? :chuckle::chuckle:

Speedbird-1 18 February 2022 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Andad (Post 11999308)
Zło, które czynią ludzie, żyje po nich; dobro często jest pogrzebane w ich kościach.

:cheers:

Some good, Scrabble words in there. :chuckle:

bibbi 18 February 2022 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedbird-1 (Post 11999410)
Some good, Scrabble words in there. :chuckle:


Here some more for your scrabble game [emoji6]

Chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie w Trzebrzeszynie.

Whatever happened during the last race of 2021, I truly hope that vast emotions of the 2022 season and lots of „fresh air” will allow us to concentrate on the new season entirely.
FOR THE RECORD: no, it is not a translation of the „scrabble” sentence [emoji23]

Speedbird-1 18 February 2022 08:44 PM

Co wydrze wydrę wydrze? Wydrę wydrze wydrze wydra. :chuckle::chuckle:

Andad 18 February 2022 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedbird-1 (Post 11999454)
Co wydrze wydrę wydrze? Wydrę wydrze wydrze wydra. :chuckle::chuckle:

Mam nadzieję, że mówisz po angielsku lepiej niż po polsku:lol::lol:

In my defence my late father was Polish but spoke mainly French at home.

He was brought up in Thun- Saint-Amand before being repatriated and ending up in Scotland in ‘45.

Anyway back to F1?:cheers:

SDGT3 20 February 2022 10:47 AM

Big announcement today that Michael Andretti has applied to field an F1 team in just 2 year's time! Appx. $200m entry fee... My guess is that he's going to buy an existing team... but which one as the Alfa Romeo team deal fell out in 2021? Could it be back on the table or is Michael going to buy the HAAS team from Gene? Could Colton Herta be the next American driver in F1 since Alexander Rossi? Could the Andretti name, link with Mario and American road car market garner a closer relationship with Ferrari? It's kind of an exciting prospect of getting some new blood into the sport.

https://www.si.com/racing/2022/02/19...ndretti%20said.

77T 20 February 2022 10:55 AM

And hammer time confirmed he’s back…

https://www.si.com/racing/2022/02/19...-f1-lost-faith


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enjoythemusic 20 February 2022 05:57 PM

i LOVE sports entertainment! Good luck Michael Andretti. Hopefully, he hires a flamboyant ALT Sex driver. F1 needs the embrace the alternative lifestyle crowd as their next step in PCorrectness.

77T 20 February 2022 08:48 PM

Steven
Facetiously?

Let’s keep the thread open at least through the first race… :chuckle:


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