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7sins 4 July 2025 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricolore66 (Post 13669259)
How do you go out to the garage and look at the “toy” car you need to make 144 payments on before it’s yours and not want to throw up?

You don’t actually hold the loan for 144 months, I sell mine and or rotate in a new vehicle every year or two - zero prepayment penalty. The theory is simple, I would rather have my capital working for me in the markets than the cash tied up in the car. If I have smaller monthly payments, I have more capital to work to make money above the interest expense. Not only that, I’m buying limited and special edition cars that are appreciating in value so I’m winning both ways. This is incredibly effective on $250k+ cars. If it is a car I plan to hold forever, like my Diablo in the collection, I will use a portfolio loan against a part of my assets (stocks, bonds etc) that are used as collateral then let those assets keep working. I never see a reason to tie cash up in a car or home for that matter when it can be making more money for me.

IE my portfolio lending costs I believe are 5%, I can make that easily in tax free munis and thus the cost of capital is zero and I usually can make a bit above that. I title in MT no sales tax. Thus I’m buying these cars at zero cost to me and then profit when I go to sell them.

Chiboy 4 July 2025 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SDGT3 (Post 13659014)
Did you have the sport chrono? If you had that in "sport plus" mode it had auto blip. If you left it in sport, it would not rev match.

I have a 2012 991 with 7 speed and Sports Chrono. It does NOT have the auto blip. :cheers:

Tricolore66 4 July 2025 11:59 PM

To each his own, but I’d rather not have a house full of stuff that isn’t mine but belongs to the bank. Especially if it’s a want and not a need.



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Originally Posted by 7sins (Post 13669324)
You don’t actually hold the loan for 144 months, I sell mine and or rotate in a new vehicle every year or two - zero prepayment penalty. The theory is simple, I would rather have my capital working for me in the markets than the cash tied up in the car. If I have smaller monthly payments, I have more capital to work to make money above the interest expense. Not only that, I’m buying limited and special edition cars that are appreciating in value so I’m winning both ways. This is incredibly effective on $250k+ cars. If it is a car I plan to hold forever, like my Diablo in the collection, I will use a portfolio loan against a part of my assets (stocks, bonds etc) that are used as collateral then let those assets keep working. I never see a reason to tie cash up in a car or home for that matter when it can be making more money for me.

IE my portfolio lending costs I believe are 5%, I can make that easily in tax free munis and thus the cost of capital is zero and I usually can make a bit above that. I title in MT no sales tax. Thus I’m buying these cars at zero cost to me and then profit when I go to sell them.


Chiboy 5 July 2025 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricolore66 (Post 13669472)
To each his own, but I’d rather not have a house full of stuff that isn’t mine but belongs to the bank. Especially if it’s a want and not a need.

I don't do debt. Period. Yeah, years ago it probably held back my investing, but it's great for peace of mind. And IMO, when you don't have debt, it frees you to take more risk with your investments. But I understand my view is not for everyone, and it's certainly not "the American Way." :cheers:

brandrea 5 July 2025 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiboy (Post 13669563)
I don't do debt. Period. Yeah, years ago it probably held back my investing, but it's great for peace of mind. And IMO, when you don't have debt, it frees you to take more risk with your investments. But I understand my view is not for everyone, and it's certainly not "the American Way." :cheers:

That’s how I’ve done things as well:cheers:

7sins 5 July 2025 01:55 AM

Different strokes for different folks! I'd rather my cash not be locked up in something earning 0%, if you lend against your securities then you own the car or underlying asset as the loan is backed by the securities not the car. I can definitely see the appeal of being completely debt and stress free too, can't over leverage yourself that way. Just my .02, different approach that isn’t for everyone.


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