Notice the 1121 (goldtech) is pictured with a display caseback!

As mentioned earlier in this thread, my 1122 has hacking seconds.

Where do you see the 1120/1121 on the Panerai site?
 

(Edited - I had asked where to find the watches, but I was able to decipher the code - seems the site still has glitches).

I initially tried using the Panerai site's search function for 1120, 1121, 1122 but no dice. Then I found them in the Collections page for Luminor (at the top), although selecting them went to error pages at first.

Now (a while later) the 1120 and 1121 have links from their view in the collection page to their individual product pages, but the 1122 is not selectable (you can modify the link for the 1120 to get to it - remove the fibratech from the link and change 1120 to 1122).

Although the watches show a price in the Collections page, their individual page links don't show a price or have an order/contact link.

Looks like the site might be actively updating...

Checked last night...my 1661 has a functioning hacking seconds 9010 movement

Again gentlemen, it's been confirmed that P.9010 hacking function was removed from models that were produced from June or July 2020 (can't remember which month) and onward. Consider yourself lucky if you have a P.9010 with hacking seconds and a display caseback.

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Well, 2 weeks after starting movement-gate I get my watch back from the Service Center with no change/adjustments. But I did get a cool carrying case. LOL! [emoji2359]

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To update this; I received my watch back from Dallas in exactly 3 weeks although they quoted me 6 weeks. It is keeping perfect time again. And it is still hacking. I called them to ask what the issue was and she told me the hairspring was not functioning properly. I do not understand mechanics of watches very well, but I know my Lepsi app was saying the watch was magnetized prior to sending in and now the app is saying "no magnetism". Perhaps the hairspring was magnetized?

Anyway, I am just happy to have the watch back and Panerai service is top notch.

Great to hear Waterman2, and yes Panerai service is excellent. Their USA service has always been wonderful!

It is a bit disheartening that corporate is not as responsive and forthcoming, yet we'll all know more about the Gen 2 9010 soon enough :)

I wonder if the darker (non brushed) parts of the plate on the fleur de lis movement in the Luminor 1950 Firenze 3 Days Acciaio (972) are using the sandblasted finish mentioned in the first post. Thus, the back of the new 9010s might look like that (not the fleur de lis pattern of course, but the darker gray indented parts of the plates).

There's movement shots for that watch on the internet, but I need ten posts before I can post links, so I'll reply to this with a couple links showing that.

Movement shots of the 972 fleur de lis
 

Here's some photos of the movement in the 972

https://www.gmtpost.com/post/panerai...ures-and-price

https://watchesbysjx.com/2018/10/pan...ze-pam972.html

Have any of the posters on this thread heard any more from panerai explaining the movement change?

Thanks,
Peter

Any news about the six-month-old 9010 'Evolution' non-hacking(!) movement no one knows details about?

Again? Obviously there are some people who know the details but until Panerai makes a public statement it's "confidential", you can accept it or not buddy...

Changing the 9010 seems really weird.

When I got a 682, I only wanted the original version with a display back.

https://i.imgur.com/WxSusbi.jpg?1

I thought it was really weird that they only had the 682 display back version for 1 year, then solid back for another year, then switched to a different movement for the 973. That's a really quick transition for essentially the same watch (42mm Submersible, all steel).

And that new movement seems to be called both the P.900 on the website for the 973, but OP XXXIV for the 974?

973
"Automatic mechanical, P.900 calibre, 12 ½ lignes, 4.2 mm thick, 23 jewels, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, one barrel. 171 components"

974
"Automatic mechanical, OP XXXIV calibre, 12 ½ lignes, 4.2 mm thick, 23 jewels, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, one barrel. 171 components"

For comparison, for the 1305
"Automatic mechanical, P.9010 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 6.0 mm thick, 31 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 200 components."

What is the OP XXXIV/P.900?
An ETA movement?

With the prices Panerai is charging (MSRP for 973 is the same as for the 682 when I purchased that), going to the 900/XXXIV is disappointing.

Just found online that the XXXIV/P.900 is a ValFleurier movement.
Regardless of ETA vs VF, should have kept the P.9010 in all the Subs if the prices are going to be close.

Love the 9010, and the 9011 rocks in my 01033 GMT. Zero reset seconds is epic!

Have hacking 9010 in my newly purchased PAM1056

Yeah, the zero reset feature is awesome
Love it in my 317

https://www.panerai.com/us/en/know-h...ts/p-9010.html

Thx, yet believe that is the original with hacking seconds. Someone posted a while back the movement decoration is different on the 'Evolution' version. Maybe PAM backtracked and is sticking with the hacking version now? I'll know more once my 1118 Tron arrives. We'll crack that baby open and look.

Bringing this thread back up, has anyone opened a new 1312 with the solid case back to compare movements from the last gen P9010?

I would like to add a 1312 possibly next year but after some digging, I'm getting mixed feelings about this company, the way they label their movements as in-house which in reality are basically ETAs or how they quietly change them with no warnings etc. Thanks

I have the 1118 and have NOT opened it.
What I can report is that it's deadly accurate, last month running +1/day.

Yes, the non hacking was only a minor annoyance at first, but then I figured out the back pressure "work around."

I will say that all this stuff bothered me a bit at first, but I got over it quickly since I believe all of these companies run a little loose when it comes to history, movements, etc.; however, Panerai is just so unique and robust and their case materials so cool, that I simply enjoy wearing them more than my other brands.


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Yes, the hacking feature is whatever at this point. Would be a nice feature but it's not a deal breaker for me. I guess what I'm asking is if Panerai actually secretly changed the P9010 to an ETA movement and just calling it their in-house movement?

This is exactly what happened with their chrono, they said it was their in house movement, then later they said it was ETA based. I have a problem with a company if they're not going to be up front with their products. If that's the case then I'll look elsewhere or just try to find one prior to June 2020, but would like to buy new from an AD

Being the original poster on this thread, I can say that I fully agree with this Post. I was super annoyed that the second didn’t hack, but over time started to forget about that and enjoy the watch for its actual beauty. The moment itself is a gem, robust and accurate as hell.


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No, it’s truly in-house. I don’t think they’d do anything that disingenuous to swap it out for an ETA and not tell anyone.


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I am looking at purchasing this Monday a 1305 Luminor Sub Titanium or the 1389 Laminar Sub Titanium with Ceramic Bezel.

According to Panerai's website they both use the P9010. What happened to the second hand when you pull the crown out to set the time? Does it just stop were you pull the crown out like every one of my other watches or does it got to 12 o'clock like my PAM 1321 Laminar GMT Power Reserve I bought in 2018.

If it’s a hacking version of the 9010, the seconds hand stops wherever it is when you pull out the crown. It’s not a zero reset complication.


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Thanks... well I went over to the mall and the dealer was open and I caved in and picked out the 1305. I will see if the non-hacking seconds hand bothers me. I came close very close to getting the Submersible Militari with that cool dial...but at $19.5K I could not justify it and would actually rather of had a $16k IWC or wait and spend another 8k for a AP ROO Vampire I have my eye on.

I still wonder why Panerai would get rid of a basic function like this...odd.

1305 is great - love mine. If you feel the need to set it precisely you can use a bit of back pressure on the crown to hold the seconds hand for syncing.

As for the deletion of the feature, I’d guess it has everything to do with Panerai’s 8 year warranty. A hacking function isn’t exactly subtle and must promote wear and tear. It’s a bit like jamming a rod in a moving bicycle wheel. [emoji1787]


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If movement has been updated, or in this case downgraded by a loss function, or simply changed in anyway - functional or structural, the manufacturer surely ought not be using the same caliber number to designate it anymore. If its a closely derived movement - it ought be renamed a P9010.1 or something close to the original, but still different to distinguish it from the unchanged one. Any specific movement's designated number ought to be unique and reflective of its standard features. They just can't call it a P9010 anymore if it doesn't have the hacking feature.

Its the Panerai way. :dummy:

We suffer it or we choose another brand.

How and what they do may not be "right", and its OK to speak up..... but LOL.. it doesn't diminish my affection for my Panerai.....absolutely love my Pam 111.

So does any Panerai now have a display case back with the revised p9010 movement?

I don’t believe so. They removed most of them.


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paneristinewb, its that then makes me think its a downgrade, based on the changes to decoration. Cheapen the movement and hide it by stopping display case backs.

Does anyone have any photos of what the new movement looks like real world?

Shenanigans like this is why I picked my non hacking eta/Unitas 111. 300m water resistance. Display case back. +6 seconds a day. Less is more.

Very well could be. To be honest, Panerai movements aren’t really known for their good looks. I had a 312 with display case back (P.9000 movement) and really the movement was extremely plain. The rotor took up so much space that there wasn’t any mechanicals to see. The newer version does show a bit more, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t stellar finishing. But man, that thing is reliable and accurate - really what matters in the end.

Take Rolex for example, no models with display case back - and even if they did, the movement is very simple looking.


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Would be really interesting to see pictures of the new gen2 P.9010.

The question is why no pictures?

I’d pop the back of my 1305 if it wasn’t under warranty.


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Ok, so I just found out this

The old 1312 (with hacking) had a 15.5mm thick case.

The newer 1118 and 1662 (no hacking) are both 14.2-14.5mm thick.

Could the removal of the hacking mechanism have made the movement thinner hence enabling a thinner case? Or is this difference a result of removing the glass back?