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You're missing one important fact when Lewis was overtaking Perez. Lewis had to avoid a collision at all cost while Perez didn't. That's going to change the way you drive and you're going to be way more cautious.

Congrats to Max, he had an amazing season and deserves to be a world champion.

Having said that - the way the season ended was all wrong and basically stole the victory from Hamilton. He was 11 secs ahead, and there were several cars in between him and Max, that the latter still had to lap. Resetting it to no time difference and the racers back-to-back is complete BS.

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BTW, Toto is Austrian.

The problem is the inside line is not necessarily the racing line, if he dives into the apex on the inside then 90% of the time he will be wide on exit, understeering and losing traction. Also, he will likely meet MV on the outside dive bombing and crash which will have Ham at fault.
MV has developed this new strategy of creating a situation which you either let him through or risk a crash, inside or outside. The FIA could easily solve this by penalizing MV every time, simple, break a rule get punished. But they don't, so now we get other drivers using their own techniques to mitigate this reckless idiot and the FIA turns a blind eye, why.....simple, so they can chose and pick which incident to penalize so they can decide an outcome. I love Lewis, but that maneuver in turn 1 should have been punished, but the FIA let it go, why because they let Max go in Brazil and other races, so now they can decide to let Lewis go. Total rubbish, they are manipulating the event now. Coming on team radios and negotiating punishments while live racing, utterly ridiculous.

The rules are in place to be followed, period. They are not and the FIA is just using them as a guide for their management of any given event......like other gafs....letting Max win under safety in the rain...they had no issues there. Total bs all around, the race was manipulated period. The best driver and team didn't win, the best who was able to benefit from the FIA's manipulation won. Why, tv!

Now LH has another year of fire to offer to chase number 8, MV wants to prove he's a legit champion, and the cars are all new.


I was shocked MB didn't change Lewis to soft tires but they made the decision defensively, why....easy, it was influenced by MV's crazy driving. Lewis nor MB are afraid of pace or position, they are afraid of MV's recklessness because he has nothing to lose here, if he gets next to Lewis and crashes both, knowing he'll win and if they don't crash, he knows the FIA won't punish him. So MB left Ham on hards playing by the rules and making the best decision with the information available to prevent Ham and Max from meeting again since Lewis built such a huge lead. But no.....the FIA had other plans, and they executed them. Lewis had a fighting chance under the rules, the FIA changed the rules at the last micro second, and Max went so far as to even pass Lewis before the restart...not a single comment...:thumbsdow

Winning by committee isn't winning to me, but oh well.

This narrative lacks objective facts. No chance in hell some random guy can break every F1 record(except ONE) just by luck and a good car, nothing else. Also, the stats alone say the RB is as competitive or faster....but besides that...the car doesn't drive itself, it just doesn't.
If you really believe that any random F1 driver can get in MB or RB car and just be Max and Lewis, you are serious using some good substances.
Put Latifi and Mazepin in a RB and MB and we will not have these two twenty seconds ahead of the field battling for a championship.

In the history of every sport every created, the best athlete will be given or chosen to be matched with the best equipment. You think Serena Williams is using Crocs for sneakers, or playing with a forty dollar tennis racket. Oh lets just take F1, you think MB or RB should just give their cars to anyone because the cars are good....well they tried and did....Gasly, bye, Albon, bye....Bottas, bye...
Those are facts.

Yes the car is good, but it is paired with someone who can understand and drive. Besides, Ham has been there since the beginning so he has developed the car with the engineers from the very beginning, essentially around him. Max has done the same with RB, albeit not from the beginning.

Casey Stoner drove the Ducati to a championship, meanwhile the bike was a bronco even for Rossi who experienced his worst years at that point at Ducati.
Man and machine, neither are mutually exclusive.

Crazy season. I think we all need to train our brains that things will be changing constantly via the next seasons. These grey rules do create some entertainment value for sure. We all know that's what creates more views, dollars, and this year they created a value monster machine. It will be hard for them to ever turn back to a traditional setting.

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You were shocked they didn’t move him to softs yet it’s winning by committee? He got screwed by the crash and SC, that’s for certain. Redbull took advantage of a bad situation, the same option Mercedes had and decided not to take. I don’t understand what they thought would happen. Lewis is on 35-40 lap old hards and max is boxing for softs obviously. They missed a step and got hammered for it, there is no win by committee.

Regardless of letting a few back markers through, Lewis would have been fine on softs. If Mercedes was in second and the back markers were not let through, they would have complained. It’s motor sports, this is what happens.

That is not accurate logic.

Perez had every reason to avoid a collision too. RB were 1st/3rd at that stage, before Lewis finally overtook Checo.

RB were still trying to compete for the constructor’s. What if it had finished 1st for Max and 3rd for Checo and Bottas had had to retire. Not sure they could have won the constructor’s then, but they were still in the hunt.

All this conjecture that RB would purposely wreck or take out a car is ridiculous. Checo put on some AMAZING driving holding Lewis up. There was NOTHING wreckless about what he was doing or driving. Lewis whining on the radio about “that’s dangerous driving” is just further evidence that he hasn’t been made to really defend, battle in years.

I expect having Russell as a partner will be eye opening for Lewis next year. That, amongst all the other rules, developments, etc that should make competing far more exciting.


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I wonder if they’d pitted Hamilton for tires under the safety car if this would have ended differently.

For sure, Max had to give all to pass him on warped old ass tires. If Lewis would have got fresh tires, he would have smoked him like normal. They can only blame themselves, they played the super cautious route in an anything can happen sport.

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Yup, HAM left the inside open on both the start and end. You'd think he would have learned from the first lap to cover the inside on the last lap. Look, I'm a HAM fan, yet he didn't learn from lap 1.

With more watching, HAM and team strategy let them down. BOT being utterly worthless for not staying in the pit range to help hold up VER.

Frankly, I agree on average VER deserves the Driver's Trophy.

But HAM did get robbed on the last lap, yet deservedly so in some respects too, and in some not so much. Besides, too boring if HAM wins all the time (memories of MS).

Can we bring back Brawn GP? :smokin:

:lol: :chuckle: and :thumbsup:

If they had pitted Hamilton on the safety car and Verstappen stayed out and the race finished on a safety car, Verstappen would have won. If Hamilton had pitted he would also have lost position and would have had to try and overtake Verstappen on 1 lap if the race continued. They did not know that the race director was going to "make up the rules" and only let 5 cars pass. They did the only thing they could do. No one foresaw that the race director was so scared of and thus be intimidated by Horner.

Fact remains, if Hamilton had been brought in under the safety car, he would have lost. Can't understand why the so called experts here can't see that.

RB wasn't going to win the WCC. They were realistically too far behind and if Perez and Lewis both crashed out Bottas would've just needed like an 8th place with a Max win.

Perez wasn't wreckless but Lewis had to be extra cautious when passing. He couldn't risk anything whereas Perez basically had nothing to lose.

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Yes biased….turn 5….advantage Lewis….same director at Silverstone where LH should have been black flagged.


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Red bull truck on it way to Latifi ,with a note ...

"You will never go thirsty "
PS:You can keep the truck too .."

So you think that the last lap was fair or is your Verstappen bias too heavy?

Black flagged in your expert opinion?

Nope not MV biased at all. I am a Ferrari fan first and foremost. After that, I admire every single F1 driver and team as it is one of my favorite sports. But the rules seem to favor MB and the Hamilton camp. He has never been challenged over the last 6 or 7 years. He has the best car and had the best car for far too many years. This sport needs this, I haven’t looked forward to a race in years and because of this epic battle, the sport of F1 has never grown and been so popular.

Two sets of rule in my eyes. MB has gotten their way far too long.

Dave, this is my opinion….and I hope you understand that….and I still admire your flower garden!!


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Scott Mansells take on the race...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ee0czVr5s&t=631s

Thats fair enough Nicholas. We are closer to each others opinion than you think. I have said a couple of times, I really think that the result should stand and MB should drop trying to get it overturned.

That last bit really made me laugh out loud. The gift of laughter, cant beat it. Made my day actually. Thank you my friend. :cheers::thumbsup:

Well Dave, your flowers was a picture that I showed my wife and with the stone architecture surrounding it…stunning!!
And I do know that you are one of the few who wears rose colored glasses for MB and Hamilton. I have picked up on that over the course of the season! Glad I made you laugh….we all are in for some excellent years ahead of us in F1….can’t wait to see George ruffle the feathers of the 7 time world champion.


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Well this is all getting far too chummy boys, let's not lose sight of the rules of this forum, in that, all members must vehemently disagree with all other members opinions at all times! :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

Love your garden too Dave.:thumbsup:




PS. I feel a movie coming on; MAD MAX and the GRAND THEFT AUTO.


Sorry Nicholas.:thumbsup::chuckle:

:rofl: that guy is great!! Hope he incorporates a few more drivers for 2022 like Ricciardo

The argument for soft tires isn’t up for debate, neither is the crash. The issue is one minute you say something and the next you change it. If back markers were supposed to unlap themselves, why didn’t everyone get the opportunity.

Huge blunder on MB’s part. They had to have known that the safety wouldn’t last 4 laps, it’s a three plus mile circuit. Once the safety car was initiated, he should have immediately jumped in for softs, it would have negated any manipulation by anyone at that point. That’s one that can’t be defended and surely one they’re beating themselves over.
Lewis pays the highest price though as MB as a team still won the constructors title.

Ya, i wonder how they handle that in the future. Obviously they couldn’t get all of the back markers through and have enough time to start the race again. Clearly Lewis should have won under the SC, but for some reason they decided let’s let a few cars go. The strangest part was how late that call was made. They could have let the back markers go through two laps prior. Might not have changed the outcome but at least it would have been consistent. I’m thrilled for max but i get the controversy.

What do you think about Masi next year? I would have to think based on his decision he might lose his role.