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Psmith 4 April 2010 01:07 PM

312 or 320 ?
 
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Hi all

Looking for some opinions on these two please...

Have been planning on getting the 312 for a while, but now thinking about the 320

312 - clean look, 'Marina' on the dial

320 - PR meter (on back, where I like it), seconds reset. I can live with a 12 hr GMT function
Possible minus: silver GMT hand looks a bit obvious (would prefer black, like the 233 for example)
And extra $$$ of course...


Thanks :thumbsup:



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sbux 4 April 2010 01:38 PM

get the one with power reserve in front not at the back!

mfer 4 April 2010 01:46 PM

I don't get the 12hr GMT without am/pm indicator. voted 312.

CorruptedSanity 4 April 2010 03:42 PM

im with mfer, not a fan of "partial gmt" watches.

Psmith 4 April 2010 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sbux (Post 1766974)
get the one with power reserve in front not at the back!

You mean the 321? (pic below)

Frustratingly, this has a black GMT hand but I don't like PR meters on the dial.



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CorruptedSanity 4 April 2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Psmith (Post 1767282)
You mean the 321? (pic below)

Frustratingly, this has a black GMT hand but I don't like PR meters on the dial.



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Like every other company in the world. There will be no perfect product (which makes sense from profit / organization longevity perspective).

If it has a sandwich dial, brushed case, polished bezel, veiled GMT hand, there will be a loud PR on the front. If the PR is neatly tucked away on the back, the GMT hand will be blatant. And if all else is perfect, the GMT will be a 12 hour not a full 24 hour gmt.

Psmith 4 April 2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CorruptedSanity (Post 1767321)
Like every other company in the world. There will be no perfect product (which makes sense from profit / organization longevity perspective).

If it has a sandwich dial, brushed case, polished bezel, veiled GMT hand, there will be a loud PR on the front. If the PR is neatly tucked away on the back, the GMT hand will be blatant. And if all else is perfect, the GMT will be a 12 hour not a full 24 hour gmt.

Quite right, Saif. Actually, Panerai do make the perfect watch for me - the 276. The only snag is the $95k price :crying:



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bungle 4 April 2010 10:12 PM

As ive got a 312 on order, i'll go for that :-) but the 32 is a real looker as well.......

Brunotheboxer 4 April 2010 10:20 PM

Of those two I like the 312 just because I wouldn't pay extra for the gmt hand. You can hide the gmt hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it.

zlin08033 5 April 2010 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mfer (Post 1766987)
I don't get the 12hr GMT without am/pm indicator. voted 312.

X2.
MSRP for 320 is $1500 more than 312, but on the grey/2nd hand market not so much. Last week had a chance to pickup a 3 month old mint 320 for $6300, passed, since I already have a 328 and 88.
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Carlo Miguel 5 April 2010 01:52 AM

312....:)

mike 5 April 2010 02:57 AM

It would be nice to have a true GMT function, but be that as it may the 320 would win for me.:cheers:

CorruptedSanity 5 April 2010 03:15 AM

Actually, the 312 is the perfect Panerai for me. I guess I would have liked a rear side PR indicator but otherwise its perfect.

inhouse movement
sandwich dial
date
clean dial
small seconds
12 - 6 - 9 ( and 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 once a month ;)
brushed case
polished bezel
exhibitionist case back

CorruptedSanity 5 April 2010 03:16 AM

Actually, the 312 is the perfect Panerai for me. I guess I would have liked a rear side PR indicator but otherwise its perfect.

inhouse movement
sandwich dial
date
clean dial
small seconds
12 - 6 - 9 ( and 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 once a month ;)
brushed case
polished bezel
exhibitionist case back

JUSTROLEXES 5 April 2010 04:13 AM

320 For me, It doesn't hurt to have the GMT:cheers:

renfield33 5 April 2010 11:57 AM

320 is my perfect panerai right now. won't be buying a panerai until i can get a pepsi GMT Master.

Joey_V 5 April 2010 01:44 PM

312. Anything more expensive and I go straight to the 233, IMO.

Psmith 6 April 2010 06:06 PM

50/50 voting...


I'm starting to edge towards the 320... the arrowhead GMT hand is part of Panerai's design language. Heck, it's in gold on the 289, etc...

Also, it kinda balances up the dial. Imho, the 312 has a little too much space around the date window. Now if they'd managed to push the date inboard and included a '3' ...:smokin:


Let me have it boys... :chuckle:



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Cru Jones 6 April 2010 07:51 PM

HUGE fan of the 312....

regarding the 320, i think a GMT needs to show 24 hours and a PR does not do much for me. i especially don't like PR's on the front of the dial, since it strikes me as being a bit gimmic-y that way (imho, of course).

Psmith 6 April 2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cru Jones (Post 1771919)
HUGE fan of the 312....

regarding the 320, i think a GMT needs to show 24 hours and a PR does not do much for me. i especially don't like PR's on the front of the dial, since it strikes me as being a bit gimmic-y that way (imho, of course).


I know what you mean about the GMT function, but I can live with a 12 hr set up for the sake of a clean dial.

I also don't like PR meters on dials, but the 320's is on the back. Useful, but not essential. A nice-to-have, as is the 'zero seconds reset'.


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nowatch 6 April 2010 11:51 PM

in the end you cant go wrong with both! $$ will probably make the choice for you.

It might bring you to another price range for the 320 and Joey said it right:thumbsup:... brings you 312|..............$...|233 (that much closer). and the bang for the buck from a 320 to a 233 is even greater!:dude:

To me it seems the 320 is the middle child in the 1950's models. I know there's a GMT function added, but with the used prices of the 233 coming down to a attractive level the gap is tightening.

TonyD 6 April 2010 11:55 PM

Tough choice. I myself like complications and don't own many 3 hand watches. I like GMT's and I think the 320 is nice and subtle. I do NOT like the PR on the 321. I think the PR on the back of the 320 is very cool. The 312 is more simple but really the difference is SO subtle that I give the 320 the edge. I can't see anyone looking at the 320 and saying its cluttered. You can just tuck the GMT hand under the hour hand if you don't want it right?

m_reign 7 April 2010 02:41 AM

I much prefer the GMT hands on the 233 or 270 if I ever needed a GMT functionality. that's why I voted for the 312.

dpj17 7 April 2010 12:09 PM

312 for me, I've got the itch for that one!

acuraelin 14 April 2010 02:39 PM

after a long debate between 320 and 312 I went for the 312 because of availability and of course less $ I love my 312 but of course i do have the thought "should've got the 320"

mach330 14 April 2010 02:43 PM

i prefer the 312 as well. does anyone have a pix of the pr meter on the back of a 320? i never knew that.

ocwatching 14 April 2010 03:36 PM

I wanted to get the 320..but could not wait..and the 312 came along..but I am happy as I am not keen on the Luminor GMT and prefer the Marina...

other than that..the PR is a nice touch...but I love my 312

CorruptedSanity 14 April 2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ocwatching (Post 1789656)
I wanted to get the 320..but could not wait..and the 312 came along..but I am happy as I am not keen on the Luminor GMT and prefer the Marina...

other than that..the PR is a nice touch...but I love my 312

Ditto

Psmith 14 April 2010 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mach330 (Post 1789606)
i prefer the 312 as well. does anyone have a pix of the pr meter on the back of a 320? i never knew that.

Here you go... :thumbsup:



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mach330 15 April 2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Psmith (Post 1789763)
Here you go... :thumbsup:

http://www.rolexforums.com/attachmen...1&d=1271237752

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that's interesting. that's barely a meter.

Trurolexer 17 April 2010 12:41 PM

312

niels74 17 April 2010 11:51 PM

320 for me im a sucker for GMT's - when its dark outside its PM... that's enough for me.. hips and we have white nights here........ :-)

Psmith 8 July 2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mach330 (Post 1792282)
that's interesting. that's barely a meter.

Meter is the wrong word. It is really just a simple indicator which turns from red to black when the watch requires winding.




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Shade 8 July 2010 06:12 PM

I do like the back power reserve feature, but I think it's kinda redundant since I won't see it when I'm wearing it, and I don't get the idea of the GMT feature without AM/PM or 24 hrs indicator.. and besides I don't use the GMT on my panerais anyway...


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