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Commonproject 8 April 2016 03:13 AM
5711 vs 5712 blue - different?
 
Does anyone own both watches or have seen both at the same time? I saw a 5712 in person a while back and thought that the dial was more grey blue (rather than pure blue) than I thought it would be, even under lighting.

However, yesterday someone showed me their 5711 in person and the blue looked absolutely amazing, even better than all the pictures I've seen on here.

Are the blues on these two just different? Or maybe just my eyes playing tricks

martinr 8 April 2016 03:23 AM
Same blue on both.

ap1 8 April 2016 03:24 AM
playin trix

Passionata 8 April 2016 03:37 AM
OP which 5711 have you see the A or P? P is more vivid blue.

Commonproject 8 April 2016 03:52 AM
it was the 5711A, tiffany dial but don't think that makes any difference

ELITEVIDEOGAMES 8 April 2016 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Commonproject (Post 6606420)
it was the 5711A, tiffany dial but don't think that makes any difference
How long did it take you to get the Tiffany 5711A?

my name is supposedly on that list, just curious if I should not hold my breath.

EDIT:: Sorry I thought it was your watch, still maybe your buddy can answer.

Commonproject 8 April 2016 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ELITEVIDEOGAMES (Post 6606430)
How long did it take you to get the Tiffany 5711A?

my name is supposedly on that list, just curious if I should not hold my breath.

EDIT:: Sorry I thought it was your watch, still maybe your buddy can answer.
Don't mean to burst your bubble but your name is not actually on the "list" unless you buy other watches first. Think about it, the list is 100+, they get 1 or 2 a year, you do the math. They will push for their top customers to get the most sought after models as soon as possible in hopes of bringing more business

lapince 8 April 2016 07:19 AM
Exactly the same blue on 5711/5712/5980, now the 5711p and the TT 5980 have 2 different blue dials much more blue, both great, the pt being the ultimate blue dial, amazing really, but in SS all the naut models have the same blue dial no difference at all, there is on their website but it is exactly the same

RUK 8 April 2016 08:04 AM
Seen them both, and have a 5711 blue.. the dial is a lot more exposed in the 5711 and there is space for the sunburst effect, the 5712 dial is blue but there isn't much space because of the power reserve, seconds and moon phase, so the dials react to light very differently.

Abdullasaif 9 April 2016 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RUK (Post 6606957)
Seen them both, and have a 5711 blue.. the dial is a lot more exposed in the 5711 and there is space for the sunburst effect, the 5712 dial is blue but there isn't much space because of the power reserve, seconds and moon phase, so the dials react to light very differently.
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mps354 9 April 2016 10:49 PM
The pics on the Patek site make the colors appear different, but in real life I believe they are the same, with some subtleties due to the sunburst / differences in open space mentioned above

martinr 10 April 2016 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Commonproject (Post 6606507)
Don't mean to burst your bubble but your name is not actually on the "list" unless you buy other watches first. Think about it, the list is 100+, they get 1 or 2 a year, you do the math. They will push for their top customers to get the most sought after models as soon as possible in hopes of bringing more business
Your statement is incorrect. Two years ago when I was looking for a 5711 blue dial I asked a few AD's including Tiffany Beverly Hills to call me when they get one in. I found one before Tiffany called, but they did call in approximately six months and say the watch was in and if I wanted it come and get it. I had never bought from them, watch or anything else. The whole idea of a "list" is 99% BS most of the time, it's all about your relationship with the AD or salesperson. Be friendly, be knowledgeable, act like you're serious about buying, maybe even offer to leave a deposit, and you'll be at the top of the so called list.

Commonproject 10 April 2016 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by martinr (Post 6610640)
Your statement is incorrect. Two years ago when I was looking for a 5711 blue dial I asked a few AD's including Tiffany Beverly Hills to call me when they get one in. I found one before Tiffany called, but they did call in approximately six months and say the watch was in and if I wanted it come and get it. I had never bought from them, watch or anything else. The whole idea of a "list" is 99% BS most of the time, it's all about your relationship with the AD or salesperson. Be friendly, be knowledgeable, act like you're serious about buying, maybe even offer to leave a deposit, and you'll be at the top of the so called list.
you're saying pretty much what I'm saying for other ADs, except I'm specifically referring to the tiffany dial 5711. This comes straight from the AD, i'm not just making assumptions

martinr 10 April 2016 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Commonproject (Post 6610884)
you're saying pretty much what I'm saying for other ADs, except I'm specifically referring to the tiffany dial 5711. This comes straight from the AD, i'm not just making assumptions
The call I received from Tiffany was to see if I wanted to come in and buy the Tiffany marked 5711 blue dial. So, I'm not saying anything close to what you said previously, in fact I'm saying that the 100 plus list you referred to and previous purchase history had nothing to do with getting the call. Why do you want to discourage potential buyers from finding a Tiffany dial 5711 by making it seem almost impossible when it really isn't. Last comment I'll make regarding this.

soundserious 10 April 2016 06:22 AM
See my thread, head to head comparison...

Commonproject 10 April 2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by martinr (Post 6610965)
The call I received from Tiffany was to see if I wanted to come in and buy the Tiffany marked 5711 blue dial. So, I'm not saying anything close to what you said previously, in fact I'm saying that the 100 plus list you referred to and previous purchase history had nothing to do with getting the call. Why do you want to discourage potential buyers from finding a Tiffany dial 5711 by making it seem almost impossible when it really isn't. Last comment I'll make regarding this.
Not sure if you read my post but what I wrote is coming directly from the person in charge of Patek at Tiffany - they're required to say certain things over the phone but it's not always what happens behind the scenes. You can be #50 on the list, but if you spend $50-100k they'll move you up very quickly. These are facts.

Commonproject 10 April 2016 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by soundserious (Post 6611285)
See my thread, head to head comparison...
honestly the 5712 does look quite a bit darker in that picture, like others said there's not as much room for the sunburst effect

Solicitor 10 April 2016 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by martinr (Post 6610640)
Your statement is incorrect. Two years ago when I was looking for a 5711 blue dial I asked a few AD's including Tiffany Beverly Hills to call me when they get one in. I found one before Tiffany called, but they did call in approximately six months and say the watch was in and if I wanted it come and get it. I had never bought from them, watch or anything else. The whole idea of a "list" is 99% BS most of the time, it's all about your relationship with the AD or salesperson. Be friendly, be knowledgeable, act like you're serious about buying, maybe even offer to leave a deposit, and you'll be at the top of the so called list.
I agree that most ADs give priority to repeat and loyal customers...at least that is the practice of our local Patek AD here in Manila.

This is especially true for sought after pieces like the 5711 A or in P or even a 5167 A.

Ps. The blue on both 5711 and 12 is the same...I have both and the 5712 has so many going on the dial that the dial color cannot stand out as a cleaner dial could.

TimeOnHand 22 April 2016 12:25 PM
It's the same magical blue on both the references... however since the dial on the 5712 is more busy, it can give the a very slightly difference shine...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ps9nzbnwlm.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ps09uqlavz.jpg

remz07twos 9 May 2016 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Commonproject (Post 6612264)
Not sure if you read my post but what I wrote is coming directly from the person in charge of Patek at Tiffany - they're required to say certain things over the phone but it's not always what happens behind the scenes. You can be #50 on the list, but if you spend $50-100k they'll move you up very quickly. These are facts.
if you or martin are looking for TCO Pateks, PM me.

kultschar 24 September 2016 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeOnHand (Post 6642356)
It's the same magical blue on both the references... however since the dial on the 5712 is more busy, it can give the a very slightly difference shine...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ps9nzbnwlm.jpg
Man - I am still undecided which one I want to buy so did my usual pic browsing of the 5711 and 5712 this morning and found this thread again.

This pic doesn't help at all - both look equally stunning!!! Need to find these two to try on but so difficult at the moment!!!!!

Passionata 25 September 2016 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kultschar (Post 7026502)
Man - I am still undecided which one I want to buy so did my usual pic browsing of the 5711 and 5712 this morning and found this thread again.



This pic doesn't help at all - both look equally stunning!!! Need to find these two to try on but so difficult at the moment!!!!!


Some points may help
-5712 w/o central seconds
-5712 has the microrotor movement cal.240
-5712 has no sticking date feature ,some 5711 still has:-)
-5712 WR only 60m
-5711 more popular on the secondary market

kultschar 25 September 2016 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Passionata (Post 7027427)
Some points may help
-5712 w/o central seconds
-5712 has the microrotor movement cal.240
-5712 has no sticking date feature ,some 5711 still has:-)
-5712 WR only 60m
-5711 more popular on the secondary market

Thanks!

Central seconds doesnt bother me!

240 Cal and no sticking issue is cool and I guess something to consider. Seems quite a few had this problem just on the forum alone.

Prob wouldnt swim with either to be honest

5711 "hotter" market wise but UK AD told me 5712 now has 2 year waiting list so guess getting more popular!

Guess sensible thing is to start with 5711 as easier to upgrade then the other way around if need be since more in demand.

Other thing on my mind is an Aquanaut at some point so guess would make sense to have a final combo of a plain dial and complication i.e. 5711 & 5164 or 5172 & 5167

Should be in London next week so going to find grey dealers which have some of these in stock just so I can try (5711 unlikely but others poss)

Passionata 25 September 2016 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kultschar (Post 7027516)
Thanks!



Central seconds doesnt bother me!



240 Cal and no sticking issue is cool and I guess something to consider. Seems quite a few had this problem just on the forum alone.



Prob wouldnt swim with either to be honest



5711 "hotter" market wise but UK AD told me 5712 now has 2 year waiting list so guess getting more popular!



Guess sensible thing is to start with 5711 as easier to upgrade then the other way around if need be since more in demand.



Other thing on my mind is an Aquanaut at some point so guess would make sense to have a final combo of a plain dial and complication i.e. 5711 & 5164 or 5172 & 5167



Should be in London next week so going to find grey dealers which have some of these in stock just so I can try (5711 unlikely but others poss)


5712 very similar in wrist presence also shares the same bracelet,GL for your hunt!

AK797 25 September 2016 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kultschar (Post 7027516)
Thanks!

Central seconds doesnt bother me!

240 Cal and no sticking issue is cool and I guess something to consider. Seems quite a few had this problem just on the forum alone.

Prob wouldnt swim with either to be honest

5711 "hotter" market wise but UK AD told me 5712 now has 2 year waiting list so guess getting more popular!

Guess sensible thing is to start with 5711 as easier to upgrade then the other way around if need be since more in demand.

Other thing on my mind is an Aquanaut at some point so guess would make sense to have a final combo of a plain dial and complication i.e. 5711 & 5164 or 5172 & 5167

Should be in London next week so going to find grey dealers which have some of these in stock just so I can try (5711 unlikely but others poss)
Watchclub, Pasha and Luxe seem to have 5711 on chrono24 so good chance one is not lying. :chuckle: Prices all horrible ofc.

kultschar 25 September 2016 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AK797 (Post 7028671)
Watchclub, Pasha and Luxe seem to have 5711 on chrono24 so good chance one is not lying. :chuckle: Prices all horrible ofc.
Ah thanks for tips, I did check out watchclub and saw one 5711 had sold but they had both Aquanauts which I would like to try.

Will check out the other two for sure :thumbs:

Cheers!!!

Patek Philippe 26 September 2016 03:41 PM
Strangely, I find the dial of 5712 look more like a grayish tone instead of blueish tone like many photos on the web. But it's an amazing piece either blue or gray.

JorgeCCW 27 September 2016 05:25 AM
i wouldn't base my decision even if the difference in shade is more than 5% , i think you either like a simple dial or you need more action on the dial. A personal call more than shade decision.
Good luck bro !


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