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Pongster 29 July 2020 07:33 PM
Calatrava
 
The patek website currently describes the 5327J as:

“5327J
GRAND COMPLICATIONS
SELF-WINDING
A new self-winding perpetual calendar has been added to the Patek Philippe collection. It comes in a Calatrava case with beautifully scalloped lugs and applied Breguet numerals.
The yellow- and rosegold models feature ivory lacquered dials with recessed counters. The white-gold version has a blue sunburst dial. The watches come with a sapphire-crystal case back and an interchangeable solid-gold back.”

So it is not a Calatrava model (since it is in the Grand Complications Collection and not the Calatrava Collection) but it comes in a Calatrava case?

Or it is also a Calatrava?

Do the perpetual calendar chronographs like the 3970E also come in a Calatrava case?

Asking here for my education and because you are the Patek experts. Thanks.

jon_jon 29 July 2020 10:20 PM
The case of the 5327 is similar to the case of the 5227 Calatrava. It was a new case design they introduced in 2013 that has been used in a number of references.

Pongster 30 July 2020 01:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon_jon (Post 10784596)
The case of the 5327 is similar to the case of the 5227 Calatrava. It was a new case design they introduced in 2013 that has been used in a number of references.
Thanks. Is the case for the PCCs the same as well? Or must be thicker because of the added complication?

jon_jon 30 July 2020 01:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pongster (Post 10784983)
Thanks. Is the case for the PCCs the same as well? Or must be thicker because of the added complication?
Patek hasn't changed the case design for the PCC. As you mentioned, the additional chronograph complication makes the 5270 thicker than a PC. The 5327 is quite thin compared to the other PCs because of the thin 240Q movement. 5327 is probably not much thicker than the 5227, which has a 324 movement.

Pongster 30 July 2020 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon_jon (Post 10785067)
Patek hasn't changed the case design for the PCC. As you mentioned, the additional chronograph complication makes the 5270 thicker than a PC. The 5327 is quite thin compared to the other PCs because of the thin 240Q movement. 5327 is probably not much thicker than the 5227, which has a 324 movement.

Thanks. So the PCC cases are not “calatrava” cases.


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Ichiran 30 July 2020 05:20 PM
Could that be a typo? I checked 5227 and 5205 pages but I could not find the term "Calatrava case". I have not seen Patek define a "Calatrava case" before, or this being documented in Hodinkee or other watch websites.

Pongster 31 July 2020 11:46 AM
The 5227 is part of the Calatrava collection. Go to website, go to Collections and on scroll down menu you will see Calatrava. If you click, the 5227 is among those.

In the Grand Complications page, listed is the 5327 which is as described above.

The 5205 is in the Complications page. Not described as a Calatrava case.


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