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johnjm 22 April 2022 11:58 PM

Your thoughts on this Tudor jumbo 90814
 
Dial not in the best condition, has been polished but it doesn’t bother me, markers seems fine and the lugs confirm the 90814 reference and the year approx 1978

Reasonable price?

Oh bracelet is aftermarket

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TuRo 23 April 2022 12:46 AM

Yes it's ok, the crude ( look like refinish ) painted second markers and - swiss - is weirdly correct ! Nice big 37mm piece - they go for about a bag of sand (£1000), or so, in the UK.

Ascari_2 23 April 2022 01:48 AM

Is the lume painted black or is that "patina"?

Dan S 23 April 2022 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ascari_2 (Post 12127267)
Is the lume painted black or is that "patina"?

There are small lume dots on the dial, and I believe there may be small lume plots at the ends of the hands, past the black inlay/painted section.

TuRo 23 April 2022 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ascari_2 (Post 12127267)
Is the lume painted black or is that "patina"?

Another strange feature of this piece the centre strake of the 3 sided hour marker and hands go a charcoal colour under certain angles !

johnjm 23 April 2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12127165)
Yes it's ok, the crude ( look like refinish ) painted second markers and - swiss - is weirdly correct ! Nice big 37mm piece - they go for about a bag of sand (£1000), or so, in the UK.


Thanks for this. Pulled the trigger. Wasn’t a bag of sand, a bit more but I really do like them for what they are.

I suspect some sort of exposure happened that made the lume go black maybe. Now the search begins for a 94613 lol


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TuRo 23 April 2022 05:49 PM

Very welcome and congrats I like them as they are quirky and a good size and way underpriced at moment.
Other 37mm that are undervalued 'sleepers' I also like, are these four from 70s - quarter of the price of 9411/7016 etc.
9111/0 (Ranger 2 with orange second hand esp interesting)
9101/0, (Burgundy and Greeny Blue dial esp nice)
9121/0 (bullseye blue,/grey esp interesting)
9140/0 (Quartz version of above and a 10th price Equiv Rolex)

johnjm 23 April 2022 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12128473)
Very welcome and congrats I like them as they are quirky and a good size and way underpriced at moment.
Other 37mm that are undervalued 'sleepers' I also like, are these four from 70s - quarter of the price of 9411/7016 etc.
9111/0 (Ranger 2 with orange second hand esp interesting)
9101/0, (Burgundy and Greeny Blue dial esp nice)
9121/0 (bullseye blue,/grey esp interesting)
9140/0 (Quartz version of above and a 10th price Equiv Rolex)


Really liking these too… interestingly the RSC doesn’t accept the 70s Tudors anymore for a lack of parts, well that’s what they told me directly, which made me hesitant at first. But my local watchmaker doesn’t have an issue in servicing.

Would you consider a 9411/0 that has had a movement replacement? The markings on the movement give it away as it was swopped out at some point. One of my biggest regrets was selling a 79260 that I had a full set, I lust after these vintage tudors to this day.


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johnjm 23 April 2022 06:27 PM

Sorry to go on, but do you think that the tarnish on this gold bezel is fine for being over 30 years old? The crown looks aftermarket to me.

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TuRo 23 April 2022 06:30 PM

Watchmakers fine with old Tudors they are just workhorse ETA mvts.
If 9411 was v.cheap and rest of watch ok perhaps - most I've seen with wrong mvt are not right elsewhere though.
Ps Correct ETA would be about £750 as you can buy cheaper piece and swap out.
Yes the 79260/70/80 were £1500 tops in 2016, when I bought a few... now £4-5k.
Think they've peaked for a bit though now, as too close to values of more sought after earlier Big Block 79160/70/80 now.

johnjm 23 April 2022 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12128498)
Watchmakers fine with old Tudors they are just workhorse ETA mvts.
If 9411 was v.cheap and rest of watch ok perhaps - most I've seen with wrong mvt are not right elsewhere though.
Ps Correct ETA would be about £750 as you can buy cheaper piece and swap out.
Yes the 79260/70/80 were £1500 tops in 2016, when I bought a few... now £4-5k.
Think they've peaked for a bit though now, as too close to values of more sought after earlier Big Block 79160/70/80 now.


Thanks, the 9411 has an asking price of about £7500 which I feel is a bit high.


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TuRo 23 April 2022 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjm (Post 12128496)
Sorry to go on, but do you think that the tarnish on this gold bezel is fine for being over 30 years old? The crown looks aftermarket to me.

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Yes fine, and yes possibly a/mkt on crown. Linen dial btw.. One watch like it's sister date model 74033 and 75023 that getting one with punched papers is only about £200-300 or 15-20% more (at moment) than a loose watch... so perhaps worth holding out for one with full set as it's not much more pricey.

TuRo 23 April 2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjm (Post 12128502)
Thanks, the 9411 has an asking price of about £7500 which I feel is a bit high.


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Yes way too much... I'd be at £3.8-4k tops for that, given the faff and risk !

johnjm 23 April 2022 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12128513)
Yes way too much... I'd be at £3.8-4k tops for that, given the faff and risk !


Thanks.

Last question I promise, instead I could get an excellent full set 79090, nearly NOS and still waterproof for £6100.

Would you?


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TuRo 23 April 2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjm (Post 12128515)
Thanks.

Last question I promise, instead I could get an excellent full set 79090, nearly NOS and still waterproof for £6100.

Would you?


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Yes a plexi 79090 has now overtaken saphire 79190 value wise as it's a cheap 1680 in essence! £6100 is pretty good price for full set too if it's a broadly fresh looking watch - should be on a 9315 Tudor bracelet and not have T SWISS MADE T above the 6 hour markers at bottom if original dial (original are below). Pop it up and the Tudoristi will chime in - get ready for the over-polishing comments though !!!

johnjm 23 April 2022 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12128524)
Yes a plexi 79090 has now overtaken saphire 79190 value wise as it's a cheap 1680 in essence! £6100 is pretty good price for full set too if it's a broadly fresh looking watch - should be on a 9315 Tudor bracelet and not have T SWISS MADE T above the 6 hour markers at bottom if original dial (original are below). Pop it up and the Tudoristi will chime in - get ready for the over-polishing comments though !!!


Aaargg I got the photos, no bracelet and I see the dial is as you say it shouldn’t. Is it a service replacement? Case looks mint to me.

I remember I could have got one a decade ago for £1000!

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TuRo 23 April 2022 07:38 PM

Yes that is 1991 from Geneve dealer I think I saw on C24 and they say 'all original'- There are strangely a lot on C24 with this late 79190 styleT SWISS MADE T over the 6 triangle , which I think is service... but perhaps someone else could confirm or not. Either way the 9315 is worth a b.o.s./ £1000 so it would be £5k max - also can't see if punched or not but looks handwritten (Bucheror one of only a few companies who often didn't use punch papers btw), most feel punched better than hand written of course.
They were a £1000 in UK about 2007 (15 yrs ago), by 2012 £2k and by 2017 they were £3k and then a big jump in 2019 to £5k.

johnjm 23 April 2022 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12128547)
Yes that is 1991 from Geneve dealer I think I saw on C24 and they say 'all original'- There are strangely a lot on C24 with this late 79190 styleT SWISS MADE T over the 6 triangle , which I think is service... but perhaps someone else could confirm or not. Either way the 9315 is worth a b.o.s./ £1000 so it would be £5k max - also can't see if punched or not but looks handwritten (Bucheror one of only a few companies who often didn't use punch papers btw), most feel punched better than hand written of course.
They were a £1000 in UK about 2007 (15 yrs ago), by 2012 £2k and by 2017 they were £3k and then a big jump in 2019 to £5k.


Thanks, I did a search now and saw it there too. I do like it very much, the plexi does finish it off well.


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douglasf13 25 April 2022 01:03 AM

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There are small lume dots on the dial, and I believe there may be small lume plots at the ends of the hands, past the black inlay/painted section.

Yeah, it all looks normal to me. The lume on mine has gone black as well.

These are undervalued watches, considering they’re essentially a mix of the 1019 Milgauss (same case) and a DateJust, albeit with an ETA movement, and the 37.5mm bezel diameter is a little “modern.” The 9080/0 is probably my favorite Rolex/Tudor that I’ve owned.

Dan S 25 April 2022 01:08 AM

Oof ... confusing thread. :thinking:

douglasf13 25 April 2022 01:13 AM

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Oof ... confusing thread. :thinking:

Yeah, I was replying to the original posts before the it swerved to talking about dive watches. I’ll edit my post to quote the earlier topic.

TuRo 25 April 2022 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by douglasf13 (Post 12130512)
Yeah, it all looks normal to me. The lume on mine has gone black as well.

These are undervalued watches, considering they’re essentially a mix of the 1019 Milgauss (same case) and a DateJust, albeit with an ETA movement, and the 37.5mm bezel diameter is a little “modern.” The 9080/0 is probably my favorite Rolex/Tudor that I’ve owned.

Nice smooth bezel version.

douglasf13 25 April 2022 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe (Post 12130713)
Nice smooth bezel version.

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Denturegeek 11 October 2022 02:30 AM

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One of the greatest bags of sand I've ever owned and proud to have it next to any Rolex in my collection.

TuRo 11 October 2022 02:36 AM

Lovely - the 0.2 second hashes (applied) painting on dial is quite a feat of jumbo craftsmenship !


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