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Originally Posted by asiparks
I don't think we disagree on the many points.
There's a truly horrible yachtmaster and a grim Sub posted in the Watchout section now- they are, to my eyes- obvious, but the fact that some might be uncertain or question them makes me wonder how many people are oblivious to the fidelity of the much higher quality fakes. As the market value of a Rolex has shot up, so has the value proposition for fake makers, whilst CAD/ CNCing has become more accessible and cheaper.
Those fake Daytonas with cloned moment retail for $700, a genuine is $40k -$50K. That's quite the incentive.
It is not hard to find forums dedicated to dissecting and comparing every detail between fake and genuine.
By their very nature, if it's fooling you, you have no reason to question it- so I believe there are quite a few people obliviously wearing fakes, for which they paid "real watch" money.
The truth may only come to light when they try to sell them....
You are the chap who, from prior posts, believes a fake can be discerned from a genuine, simply by winding and setting the hands, so I'm going out on a limb to say you're not the best informed on fakes and are content to stay in that bubble.
Let's start by not grouping "dealers" as a homogenous collective. Are you imagining all watch dealers behave ethically, with the same diligence that say David SW or Takuya do ?
You understand that there is a whole world of watch trading outside of the trusted sellers on this forum yes ?
You can choose to believe that these "super clones" don't exist if you want, you're not spending my money so carry on >>shrug<<
This forum bans discussion of fakes, but I believe that the better informed buyers are, the less their chance of falling victim. The idea that discussion here will give the fake makers valuable insights is hopelessly outdated.
The OPs question was how can you be sure a grey market watch is genuine ?
If the chance of a clone or Franken watch being sold unintentionally or, intentionally, is >0 then the answer is “no, you can’t “
I would buy from the greys on here because the odds are greatly on my side, I’d feel comfortable rolling the dice. But they are a small fraction of the grey market.
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regarding the prior post - dont get me wrong, i based also on the fact that the OP said he bought the watch from a reputable grey dealer with brick and mortar store and with box and papers. that's why i said open the case back to check authenticity is not necessary, just a precautionary check will be ok. though you can be so paranoid to say people will have a significant chance of getting a fake watch from a grey dealer no matter how knowledgeable they are and how carefully they checked the full set, that's your problem.
regarding this post - i was talking about trusted grey dealer, watch, box and papers all along, not just a watch without papers as you have said. show me one single case that the watch, the hand tags and the papers were all found to be fake purchased from a grey dealer. otherwise, everything you said just happened in your own imagination, lol.