32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

No. Not with respect to the main claim: "Almost made it to 5 years without issues" is definitely wrong as demonstrated and explained above.

"Abrupt and recent change" depends how often you look or measure, amplitudes were not checked.

Your 126710 BLNR (07/2019) is the only documented 3285 watch (with timegrapher data) that I know of that has made it to almost 5 years, your last timegrapher data are from 06/2024 (59 months).

Ok, true.

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by Easy E

More like milk

[cascadez71]

Well I have traded my 126610LV (repaired by RSC) for an 116610LN (also immediately sent and serviced by RSC).

Have full timegrapher data floating around and will post at some point. Repaired 126610 did indeed read better on timegrapher and more importantly was running ~+2 on wrist. Definitely was regulated (is that possible on 32xx?) to run 'fast'; this was evident on timegrapher.

New (used) 116610 was running well, albeit a bit high amplitude (>315) DU. I sent for full service due to unknown service history. Runs about -0.5spd on my wrist. Couldn't be happier with 31xx movement thus far; I have no use for the 'improved' power reserve due to daily wear which is the only real advantage to the new movement IMO. Family members 30xx and 31xx continue to remain good for 10+ years between service despite daily wear.

Will be curious to see the next gen 33xx if any improvements (2 barrels?).

[Lucasslac]

Hi!

I know BAS said some time ago that he is receiving a lot less 32xx movements with issue. Does he have any update on that?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Repaired 126610 did indeed read better on timegrapher and more importantly was running ~+2 on wrist. Definitely was regulated (is that possible on 32xx?) to run 'fast'

Of course.

[CaptT]

What I’d like to know is, what if anything are Rolex watchmakers being told by Rolex HQ or their service group about the repairs required to the 32xx movements? Is it something basic and nondescript as “do [this] for watches with low amplitude and slow timing issues”, or is there an explanation as to the why behind the issues, or the why behind the recommended service measures?

And is this something that RSC technicians and watchmakers don’t really talk about, but maybe have an understanding that they know there’s an issue they just aren’t supposed to acknowledge it?

Appreciate that Bas and others have provided some context on the situation from their vantage point, though it still remains a mystery and is sadly still (reportedly) widespread.

[Easy E]

Updated 0/24 HR readings on my 2024 GRNR. At 24Hrs it is(avg) -4.08, with amp avg 214.6. In August of 2024 those numbers were -2.24 and 223. The decay has started, so it seems.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

The decay has started, so it seems.

Yes.

Your 3285 has continued to deteriorate and is now well outside the Rolex amplitude tolerance, only 8 months after your purchase in 05/2024.

Thank you for the update, it is the next new 32xx watch (from 2024) that failed.

[theshrike]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Updated 0/24 HR readings on my 2024 GRNR. At 24Hrs it is(avg) -4.08, with amp avg 214.6. In August of 2024 those numbers were -2.24 and 223. The decay has started, so it seems.

Long time lurker following this thread. Sorry you're having these issues.

I recently purchased a Submariner too. It's incredulous that Rolex seemingly hasn't figured out a fix for this issue almost 10 years after the movement debuted. Either they can't without compromising the architecture of the movement and its power reserve, or they don't care since they sell every watch they make.

I love my watch and I am unabashedly a Rolex fanboy, but I spent >$10k on it...the least I can do for my peace of mind is hope it actually serves its purpose as a chronometer. But apparently that's too much to ask

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by theshrike

Long time lurker following this thread. … I recently purchased a Submariner too … I love my watch … the least I can do for my peace of mind is hope …

Replace hope with timegrapher. Welcome and good luck with your new Submariner (Ref.?).

[saxo3]

Some thread statistics after 4 years.

Over the past year, this thread had 57 new participants posting their experience; the poll had 150 additional voters.

The percentage of members who had issues with their watches and voted remained around 30 %.

There were certainly not 3x more posts with data showing that their 32xx is performing well.

Conclusion: many participants vote positively for their 32xx watches, but don't provide data-based evidence.

The interest in this thread is still very high: almost 200,000 more views in 1 year, or about 548 views per day.

[hellobandit]

Thanks for this follow-up Saxo3. I wish there were more contributors here to have more reliable statistics.

[Onequik135i]

Here is a pic comparison of my previous 22 BLRO, both taken in D/U positions on full wind of the crown. The one pic shown w the amplitude reading in the 270s was from March 2023 and the other taken October 2024. The amplitude appears to have dropped a bit during that time span and if you look closely at the lower part of the screen the “trace” looks a bit erratic.


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[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Onequik135i

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Thanks for the comp photos. Your LA is set at 52, which will understate your amplitude values a touch. If you can do a 0hr and 24 reading and get the 3up, 6up, 9up values - if you want to make it even easier just do 24 hr readings. It should take about 20 mins max.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Thanks for the comp photos.

Lift angle is an overrated detail, LOL, the watch position could be optimized and the green microphone cover should be thicker. Blue 1.5 mm cardboard is the best, but the carpet is nice, the problem here is more between the ears

[Cassian739]

Originally Posted by Cassian739

With some help from Saxo (thx!), here are the timegrapher readings for the watches I have access to. Will add 2 more 32xx movements to the table in the coming weeks, and repost.

My take, and would appreciate others input:

• Exp2: Clearly needs to go in for service, can’t even measure S/D in 6U after 24 hours.

• GMT M2: Good, for now.

• Daytona: Great.

I used a Weishi 1900 timegrapher, and followed the procedures from post 5002 on this thread, with the exception of measuring in the 9-6-3 up order vs. 3-6-9.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=5002

Adding one more watch to the measurements. Looks ok, 0H amplitude a bit low, but seems to be holding up.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Cassian739

Adding one more watch to the measurements. Looks ok, 0H amplitude a bit low, but seems to be holding up.

Thanks for adding this data.
A beat error of 2.9 ms (typo?) is far outside Rolex's maximum beat tolerance (0.8 ms).
The 3U increase in amplitude from 234° to 252° is also not normal.

[Cassian739]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks for adding this data.
A beat error of 2.9 ms (typo?) is far outside Rolex's maximum beat tolerance (0.8 ms).
The 3U increase in amplitude from 234° to 252° is also not normal.

Hey Saxo, good catch! Yes, it's a typo. Let me redo the analysis next couple of days and repost, just to make sure I didn't miss anything else.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Cassian739

Let me redo the analysis…

[the dark knight]

Gonna hijack this thread for a bit, hope you don't mind and I have provided some data in the past so hopefully that buys me some leniency. I didn't want to start another 32xx thread and invite the non-believers and peanut gallery.

I am definitely a believer, and have reduced my 32xx watches down to one - my 126610. I am also starting to think I'm as much a "Submariner Guy" as a "Rolex Guy". I am considering what maybe a crazy/weird idea. I was thinking of buying a NOS 116610 and keeping it stored away in case my 126610 develops issues and it turns out Rolex cannot ever permanently fix it. At that point I'd just get rid of it and go to the 116610.

Now, why not just sell the 126610? Because aesthetically it's my favorite Submariner yet, and I like the look of it better than the 116610. I just really love the watch, if it weren't for the 32xx concerns.

Why NOS? I have a huge preference for brand new watches over used. And as time goes on there will be less and less NOS 116610s on the market.

OTOH, I could just ride it out with the 126610. Hope it doesn't develop issues, or that Rolex comes up with a fix, or eventually I can just upgrade to a 136610 with a 33xx movement in the future.

What do you guys think?

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by the dark knight

Gonna hijack this thread for a bit, hope you don't mind and I have provided some data in the past so hopefully that buys me some leniency. I didn't want to start another 32xx thread and invite the non-believers and peanut gallery.

I am definitely a believer, and have reduced my 32xx watches down to one - my 126610. I am also starting to think I'm as much a "Submariner Guy" as a "Rolex Guy". I am considering what maybe a crazy/weird idea. I was thinking of buying a NOS 116610 and keeping it stored away in case my 126610 develops issues and it turns out Rolex cannot ever permanently fix it. At that point I'd just get rid of it and go to the 116610.

Now, why not just sell the 126610? Because aesthetically it's my favorite Submariner yet, and I like the look of it better than the 116610. I just really love the watch, if it weren't for the 32xx concerns.

Why NOS? I have a huge preference for brand new watches over used. And as time goes on there will be less and less NOS 116610s on the market.

OTOH, I could just ride it out with the 126610. Hope it doesn't develop issues, or that Rolex comes up with a fix, or eventually I can just upgrade to a 136610 with a 33xx movement in the future.

What do you guys think?

I completely understand where you are trying to point needle with this. Aesthetic preference is a tough one for others to comment on. I also like the 12 case and bracelet, but the difference was not enough for me. I rolled back all my Subs to 11s - 610LV, 610LN, 613LB, 619LB - absolute awesomeness for me.

In the world according to Easy E, I say unless you are going to wear the 11 straight away, don’t bother with that option. Maybe your piece makes the cut, maybe a 136610 is on the horizon, near or far who knows. The turn around for a fix has been quick. I’m currently betting against a permanent 32 fix until a 33 is released. I have nothing to back that up other than a 5/24 GMT that is slowly slowing.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Some thread statistics after 4 years.

Over the past year, this thread had 57 new participants posting their experience; the poll had 150 additional voters.

The percentage of members who had issues with their watches and voted remained around 30 %.

There were certainly not 3x more posts with data showing that their 32xx is performing well.

Conclusion: many participants vote positively for their 32xx watches, but don't provide data-based evidence.

The interest in this thread is still very high: almost 200,000 more views in 1 year, or about 548 views per day.