P.900 Movement

[OG1982]

My PAM 00512 has a P900/1 manual movement which doesn't hack either. No biggie, it was never intended as to be a precision timing instrument. Luckily it looks great.

[joshinbrooklyn]

New W&W release video… @6 mins Alexander talks about a “new execution” of the P.900 movement. Going forward it will be decorated again and get hacking seconds.

https://youtu.be/kQuIwEf7_88

[yachty 1]

Originally Posted by joshinbrooklyn

New W&W release video… @6 mins Alexander talks about a “new execution” of the P.900 movement. Going forward it will be decorated again and get hacking seconds.

https://youtu.be/kQuIwEf7_88

Again I just don’t get how Panerai thought they can get away with not decorating the movement before. They must of got a lot of negative feedback.

[Al1969]

PANERAI should do the right thing and give current owners the opportunity to swap for the new P900 movement.

I know I expected ‘hacking’ seconds on the 1226.

[samsmart]

It's crazy that they would do that without saying anything. Especially while selling to a customer base like us. You think they thought we wouldn't notice?


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[Gerry62]

All watches using the Panerai P.900 movement:

https://watchbase.com/panerai/caliber/p-900

[rebel_1]

Just bought a PAM 1386 with P.900 movement. Non hacking unless you back the mobement up by holding the minute hand backwards.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by rebel_1

Just bought a PAM 1386 with P.900 movement. Non hacking unless you back the mobement up by holding the minute hand backwards.

That's not an "unless". That's non hacking.


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[Rippin12]

Just picked up a new Luminor Quaranta 01372. No hacking seconds with this P.900 movement.

[R1272]

Beautiful watch though! I have last years version(1272) which is the same.

I mentioned in another thread that while frustrating and wrong for the movement to be undecorated, it's mostly academic as 99% of us will never see it anyway.

More importantly, after about 3 weeks of ownership, my P.900 based Pam 1272 has kept EXCELLENT time. Personally I prefer that, but we deserve both for what we paid.

[samsmart]

Originally Posted by rlj676

My 1/1/22 purchased 683 hacks.

682 purchased in Jan 2022 hacks

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[Tseg]

Originally Posted by azcii

Damn, this is the first P.900 I see without hacking.

I know that some of their other "workhorses" like P.3000 and P.5000 never had hacking, but it now seems like they're removing it from all the movements now.

My P.5002 (8 day with power reserve on dial) from 2018, purchased in 2020, hacks.

[TurgonJ]

Lately, I’ve been diving into the details of the P.900 movement and movements in general, but finding accurate and reliable information isn’t always straightforward. I’ve come across a few sources, and while I personally think Watchbase is the most comprehensive so far (https://watchbase.com/panerai/caliber/p-900), I’ve also explored:

Watch Wiki: https://www.watch-wiki.net/doku.php?id=panerai_p.9000
WatchWired: https://watchwired.com/caliber/panerai-caliber-p-9000/

What’s your go-to source for technical movement details? Do you think one of these stands out, or is there another resource you rely on? Looking forward to hearing your insights!

[ct79]

I would also miss the hacking function. With Panerai I prefer their two handers, so I am not affected by it. What I actually detest in this context, is that at this price point, Panerai is using that movement in dials which are two big for the small second and date placement. I cannot comprehend, why the 44mm submersibles are such a success. I look at them and think, dial and movement do not harmonize. A 42mm watch with the corresponding dial is the maximum into which said movement should be placed. Only as of the 47mm models, new, bigger movements are used.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by R1272

Beautiful watch though! I have last years version(1272) which is the same.

I mentioned in another thread that while frustrating and wrong for the movement to be undecorated, it's mostly academic as 99% of us will never see it anyway.

More importantly, after about 3 weeks of ownership, my P.900 based Pam 1272 has kept EXCELLENT time. Personally I prefer that, but we deserve both for what we paid.

The new PAM01372 also doesn’t hack, which is irrelevant to me. Such an over-rated feature, although any previous deception by Panerai in regards to the P.900 movement is not cool, of course.

I’ve owned the watch for two weeks, and so far, it has kept spot-on time. Great-looking piece too.

[mahalkita201]

Looked at two same looking Submersible BMG tech models in 47mm - older one hacking, newer one no longer hacking, all depends on release date and serial number. Luckily I bought the old fashioned 422 with manual winding, even has zero reset function for. the small second hand, movement also nicely decorated and has the 3 bridges. Would not buy watches with newer movements

[Horologest]

I work for Panerai, what would you like to know about the P.900 movement?

Eli

[rajurama]

Originally Posted by Horologest

I work for Panerai, what would you like to know about the P.900 movement?

Eli

Hi nice to know, could please explain why the hacking seconds were discontinued and then again introduced (maybe) ?

Also is Panerai still making their own in house movements or all are made by Val Fleurier? P900 doesn't seem like in-house like the P9010.

[Horologest]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Hi nice to know, could please explain why the hacking seconds were discontinued and then again introduced (maybe) ?

Also is Panerai still making their own in house movements or all are made by Val Fleurier? P900 doesn't seem like in-house like the P9010.

Many movements are pure in-house such as the 9100, the 9010 with added complications such as GMT or Flyback, manual winders and skeleton movements. The regular 9010 along with the P900 movements are a hybrid. They use a Richemont base plate that is shared by Baume Mercier, IWC, Mont Blanc, and Piaget. The rest of the components are mixture made by Panerai and several non Panerai employed ateliers and then combined into kits which are then out sourced to partially assemble and then return to Panerai for final assembly, polishing, and timing.

Externally sourced movements are the P9200, the P9010/AC(annual calendar) and the P2005/GLS(Galilee Lune Squallete.

If you want an affordable great totally in-house Panerai then find a pre-owned PAM312.

[rajurama]

Originally Posted by Horologest

Many movements are pure in-house such as the 9100, the 9010 with added complications such as GMT or Flyback, manual winders and skeleton movements. The regular 9010 along with the P900 movements are a hybrid. They use a Richemont base plate that is shared by Baume Mercier, IWC, Mont Blanc, and Piaget. The rest of the components are mixture made by Panerai and several non Panerai employed ateliers and then combined into kits which are then out sourced to partially assemble and then return to Panerai for final assembly, polishing, and timing.

Externally sourced movements are the P9200, the P9010/AC(annual calendar) and the P2005/GLS(Galilee Lune Squallete.

If you want an affordable great totally in-house Panerai then find a pre-owned PAM312.

Great thanks for sharing the information

[1William]

Originally Posted by Horologest

Many movements are pure in-house such as the 9100, the 9010 with added complications such as GMT or Flyback, manual winders and skeleton movements. The regular 9010 along with the P900 movements are a hybrid. They use a Richemont base plate that is shared by Baume Mercier, IWC, Mont Blanc, and Piaget. The rest of the components are mixture made by Panerai and several non Panerai employed ateliers and then combined into kits which are then out sourced to partially assemble and then return to Panerai for final assembly, polishing, and timing.

Externally sourced movements are the P9200, the P9010/AC(annual calendar) and the P2005/GLS(Galilee Lune Squallete.

If you want an affordable great totally in-house Panerai then find a pre-owned PAM312.

Thank you.

[Horologest]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Hi nice to know, could please explain why the hacking seconds were discontinued and then again introduced (maybe) ?

Also is Panerai still making their own in house movements or all are made by Val Fleurier? P900 doesn't seem like in-house like the P9010.

My personal opinion, not based on anything I've heard internally, was simply cost savings. Please not that there are two systems...

Hack second: the second hand jumps to the 12 o'clock position when the crown is pulled out. This was a common military function so watches could be synchronized.

Stop second: the second hand stops where it is when the crown is pulled out.

In-house movements typically had the hack second feature while the manufacturer movements had the stop second.

We are seeing the stop second function returning on certain P900 movements.