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johnswatch · 24 October 2009, 10:09 AM

I've recently been bitten by the Panerai bug. The simplicity of the dials and the iconic design combined with really cool custom straps has sold it for me.

Now I'm torn. In order to fund a PAM112 (or 111) I would probably need to liquidate my M series Sea Dweller 4000.

This being a forum visited by lovers of both brands I ask - should I do it?

If it was a 312 I wouldn't hesitate but I'm hesitant about trading an SD for an Unitas based PAM. What do you think?

sleddog · 24 October 2009, 10:10 AM

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo....
You will miss the SD!!!! Trust me......

:chu ckle:

B. Doggy · 24 October 2009, 10:16 AM

That's a pretty touch decision. I would go Rolex for an everyday wearing watch, but Panerai is AWESOME!

RedBaronF2001 · 24 October 2009, 10:17 AM

Do what your heart says. Sounds cheesy, but that's the truth. If the PAM excites you - do it. If the SD excites you, keep it and save up for the 112. There will be plenty of 112s down the road.

emagni · 24 October 2009, 10:18 AM

No, I wouldn't do it and I would save up and get the 312

emagni · 24 October 2009, 10:18 AM

No, I wouldn't do it and I would save up and get the 312

dantheman20192 · 24 October 2009, 11:37 AM

Yes i would you have a DJ and if you love the Panerai get a panerai.... I would get the 312 instead though.

drtooth73 · 24 October 2009, 11:47 AM

112 is beautiful!
personally would not use as an everyday watch

ocwatching · 24 October 2009, 11:55 AM

I would not do it...the SD is every bit as iconic as the 112...save for it..or pick one up on the 2ndary market...
its not a one to one trade...
and this coming from a guy with a 312...

ocwatching · 24 October 2009, 12:02 PM

with that...I would still do what sings to ya...

TswaneNguni · 24 October 2009, 01:17 PM

I would do it !! Simple..... place a 112/111 next to a SD and you tell me !!

Place them on the wrist and you tell me !!

For me its not even a contest.I had a SD and I do have a PAM 111.Perhaps that in itself explains a lot.

Evergreen · 24 October 2009, 01:38 PM

Panerai makes some sweet watches. But to give up a SD for a 112 with a pocket watch movement...... NO SIR.

TswaneNguni · 24 October 2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evergreen

Panerai makes some sweet watches. But to give up a SD for a 112 with a pocket watch movement...... NO SIR.

Workhorse, time proven,Panerai modded movement, I may ad ..... my 111 runs at only 1 sec off perfect,out of the box.

htc8p · 24 October 2009, 05:24 PM

get a rolex and a panerai the 111 or 112 is good enough. its the classic pam but dont let go of your SD.

if you want 2 similar watches in terms of function get a pam submersible.

Tombstone · 24 October 2009, 05:59 PM

I agree with the SD all but gone you may not get the chance to buy another. The PAM will be there.

drtooth73 · 24 October 2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htc8p

get a rolex and a panerai the 111 or 112 is good enough. its the classic pam but dont let go of your SD.

if you want 2 similar watches in terms of function get a pam submersible.

That would be a fair comparison, SD and a panerai Sub. Similar in function.
112 is a totally different animal, just a gorgeous watch.

dantheman20192 · 24 October 2009, 10:34 PM

It's not about function in the Panerai VS Rolex debate. They are two different beasts.

What our man here is having is a conflict of design... The rolex is a timid beast and his personality might be a bit bigger and bolder than the grandfatherish look of the seadweller.

Thus i say flip the seadweller and get a panerai if it is what suits your eye.... If you are considering flipping it i would dare say you do not love it and there is no room in anyone's collections for pieces they are not crazy about.

Trurolexer · 25 October 2009, 01:36 AM

GO FOR IT!!!

I think SD not so difficult to find lately.

Good luck with your decision.

mfer · 25 October 2009, 05:45 AM

I love both, but would have to say the SD4000 is much more of a watch, and that is coming for a Panerai nut.

But that being said, it is up to YOU. Do you wear the SD?

Joey_V · 25 October 2009, 06:37 AM

Don't do it for anything less than the 312.

BealeAss · 25 October 2009, 07:55 AM

Always nice to wakeup with a choice and some variety to decide what kind of day it will be...a Rollie day or a PAM day!

ghormley · 25 October 2009, 01:42 PM

no only for a 312

johnswatch · 25 October 2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghormley

no only for a 312

Wouldn't a 312 cost a lot more than the SD would realise?

I'm wearing the SD today and whilst I love the design, it's just too heavy for me and I can never get the bracelet just right.

I'm really genuinely torn.

Trurolexer · 25 October 2009, 08:37 PM

312 is around 6,500-6,700.- right now.

johnswatch · 25 October 2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnswatch

Wouldn't a 312 cost a lot more than the SD would realise?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

312 is around 6,500-6,700.- right now.

Ouch!

That'll be a yes then.

Can't justify the extra $3k for an in-house movement as there's so little information about it. Even the Panerai website doesn't outine why the in-house movement is better.

Simply redesigning a very old pocket watch movement by moving the positions of some of the wheels isn't exactly a great leap forward.

I may be wrong but due to the lack of official information I'm guessing I'm not.

TswaneNguni · 25 October 2009, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnswatch

Ouch!

That'll be a yes then.

Can't justify the extra $3k for an in-house movement as there's so little information about it. Even the Panerai website doesn't outine why the in-house movement is better.

Simply redesigning a very old pocket watch movement by moving the positions of some of the wheels isn't exactly a great leap forward.

I may be wrong but due to the lack of official information I'm guessing I'm not.

Here's a challenge then..... keep the SD and buy a 112/005/111 or the likes,then, lets see which one you adore and which one you like.Lets also see which one gets the most wrist time ..........

... I know the answer to both !!

Panerai speaks to the soul,like no other.

rad87gn · 28 October 2009, 04:21 AM

I have both a PAM 112 and Rolex SD. Save up for the PAM! It's nice to have both.

sbardy69 · 28 October 2009, 08:03 AM

Get the 112... Much more enjoyment on your wrist than a sd... Just sold my submariner To fund more panerais... A 112 Is much more desirable than a rolex sub or sd and will be much easier to sell If your not happy.

johnswatch · 28 October 2009, 08:59 AM

Now I'm totally confused. I'm leaning towards the submersible now....

I love the SD but I just can't seem to get on with it. I can always get a sub later on anyway.

The only thing stopping me is the old Unitas movement. I'm thinking of selling the SD and then saving up for a 312 or submersible 1000.

bodybump · 28 October 2009, 09:02 AM

Keep the SD save for the pam...

24 October 2009, 10:09 AM	#1
johnswatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a dream world Posts: 488	Should I trade my SD4000 for a 112? I've recently been bitten by the Panerai bug. The simplicity of the dials and the iconic design combined with really cool custom straps has sold it for me. Now I'm torn. In order to fund a PAM112 (or 111) I would probably need to liquidate my M series Sea Dweller 4000. This being a forum visited by lovers of both brands I ask - should I do it? If it was a 312 I wouldn't hesitate but I'm hesitant about trading an SD for an Unitas based PAM. What do you think? __________________ 18k GMTIIc, II,16013 DJ, PAM 112, Patek ref 96J, Helson Bronze, Elgin Trench, Gruen Curvex, Omega F300 and a few others......

24 October 2009, 10:10 AM	#2
sleddog 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,935	Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo.... You will miss the SD!!!! Trust me......:chu ckle: __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

24 October 2009, 10:16 AM	#3
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	That's a pretty touch decision. I would go Rolex for an everyday wearing watch, but Panerai is AWESOME! __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

24 October 2009, 10:18 AM	#5
emagni "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on Earth Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,284	No, I wouldn't do it and I would save up and get the 312 __________________ Watches: More than my fingers can count

24 October 2009, 10:18 AM	#6
emagni "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on Earth Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,284	No, I wouldn't do it and I would save up and get the 312 __________________ Watches: More than my fingers can count

24 October 2009, 10:17 AM	#4
RedBaronF2001 Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 575	Do what your heart says. Sounds cheesy, but that's the truth. If the PAM excites you - do it. If the SD excites you, keep it and save up for the 112. There will be plenty of 112s down the road.

24 October 2009, 11:37 AM	#7
dantheman20192 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Dan Location: Gold Coast Posts: 64	Yes i would you have a DJ and if you love the Panerai get a panerai.... I would get the 312 instead though.

24 October 2009, 11:47 AM	#8
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	112 is beautiful! personally would not use as an everyday watch

24 October 2009, 11:55 AM	#9
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	I would not do it...the SD is every bit as iconic as the 112...save for it..or pick one up on the 2ndary market... its not a one to one trade... and this coming from a guy with a 312... __________________ too much into watches...

24 October 2009, 12:02 PM	#10
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	with that...I would still do what sings to ya... __________________ too much into watches...

24 October 2009, 01:17 PM	#11
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	I would do it !! Simple..... place a 112/111 next to a SD and you tell me !! Place them on the wrist and you tell me !! For me its not even a contest.I had a SD and I do have a PAM 111.Perhaps that in itself explains a lot.

24 October 2009, 01:38 PM	#12
Evergreen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: W. Washington Watch: Blancpain FF norad Posts: 203	Panerai makes some sweet watches. But to give up a SD for a 112 with a pocket watch movement...... NO SIR.

24 October 2009, 05:24 PM	#14
htc8p "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Bert Location: philippines Watch: 116710 ln Posts: 3,491	dont do it are you crazy get a rolex and a panerai the 111 or 112 is good enough. its the classic pam but dont let go of your SD. if you want 2 similar watches in terms of function get a pam submersible.

24 October 2009, 05:59 PM	#15
Tombstone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Richard Location: LV, NV Watch: LV Sub and others Posts: 2,692	I agree with the SD all but gone you may not get the chance to buy another. The PAM will be there. __________________ Always working...by choice

24 October 2009, 10:34 PM	#17
dantheman20192 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Dan Location: Gold Coast Posts: 64	It's not about function in the Panerai VS Rolex debate. They are two different beasts. What our man here is having is a conflict of design... The rolex is a timid beast and his personality might be a bit bigger and bolder than the grandfatherish look of the seadweller. Thus i say flip the seadweller and get a panerai if it is what suits your eye.... If you are considering flipping it i would dare say you do not love it and there is no room in anyone's collections for pieces they are not crazy about.

25 October 2009, 01:36 AM	#18
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	GO FOR IT!!! I think SD not so difficult to find lately. Good luck with your decision.

25 October 2009, 05:45 AM	#19
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I love both, but would have to say the SD4000 is much more of a watch, and that is coming for a Panerai nut. But that being said, it is up to YOU. Do you wear the SD?

25 October 2009, 06:37 AM	#20
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Don't do it for anything less than the 312. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

25 October 2009, 07:55 AM	#21
BealeAss "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NH Posts: 423	Always nice to wakeup with a choice and some variety to decide what kind of day it will be...a Rollie day or a PAM day! __________________ Rolex 16610 LV Sub Rolex 116500 LN Daytona JLC 270.8.54 Reverso Cartier Santos SS/18K - FS!

25 October 2009, 01:42 PM	#22
ghormley "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: TEXAS Watch: AP/Rolex Posts: 222	no only for a 312

25 October 2009, 08:37 PM	#24
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	312 is around 6,500-6,700.- right now.

28 October 2009, 04:21 AM	#27
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	I have both a PAM 112 and Rolex SD. Save up for the PAM! It's nice to have both.

28 October 2009, 08:03 AM	#28
sbardy69 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 97	112 Get the 112... Much more enjoyment on your wrist than a sd... Just sold my submariner To fund more panerais... A 112 Is much more desirable than a rolex sub or sd and will be much easier to sell If your not happy.

28 October 2009, 08:59 AM	#29
johnswatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a dream world Posts: 488	Now I'm totally confused. I'm leaning towards the submersible now.... I love the SD but I just can't seem to get on with it. I can always get a sub later on anyway. The only thing stopping me is the old Unitas movement. I'm thinking of selling the SD and then saving up for a 312 or submersible 1000. __________________ 18k GMTIIc, II,16013 DJ, PAM 112, Patek ref 96J, Helson Bronze, Elgin Trench, Gruen Curvex, Omega F300 and a few others......

28 October 2009, 09:02 AM	#30
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2025 TITANIUM Yacht-Master Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,234	Keep the SD save for the pam... __________________

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