Custom Green Hulk Submariner $6,295.00...

[marcusjcw21]

This watch has a custom green bezel and custom green dial. In other words, fake.

Here is the link: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

[Kimber007]

Just because a watch is custom does not make it a fake. If you take a 16610 and customize it, it is still a real Rolex. It's not like they are trying to pass it off as a 116610LV

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by Kimber007

Just because a watch is custom does not make it a fake. If you take a 16610 and customize it, it is still a real Rolex. It's not like they are trying to pass it off as a 116610LV

I hear what you are saying, but Rolex would call it a counterfeit, and how did they come across a green dial and matching green bezel insert without either making it themselves or buying it from somebody who makes aftermarket dials and bezel inserts for a living? To me, that means it qualifies as a fake. Am I wrong?

[mr.president1]

Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

I hear what you are saying, but Rolex would call it a counterfeit, and how did they come across a green dial and matching green bezel insert without either making it themselves or buying it from somebody who makes aftermarket dials and bezel inserts for a living? To me, that means it qualifies as a fake. Am I wrong?

Technically a green bezel black dial sub has already been made a long time ago-model 16610. So, just add in a green dial for the 116610LV. I'm still skeptical on authenticity, but this can be done.

[Kimber007]

Rolex wouldn't consider it a counterfeit as long as they originally made the watch no matter if non-Rolex aftermarket parts are put on it like in this case. If you took it in for service, assuming it is a genuine 16610 then they would simply remove all the aftermarket parts and replace it with correct parts for that model whether you wanted them to or not. Either way, before and after it is a real Rolex just not 100% original.

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by Kimber007

Rolex wouldn't consider it a counterfeit as long as they originally made the watch no matter if non-Rolex aftermarket parts are put on it like in this case. If you took it in for service, assuming it is a genuine 16610 then they would simply remove all the aftermarket parts and replace it with correct parts for that model whether you wanted them to or not. Either way, before and after it is a real Rolex just not 100% original.

Rolex actually calls watches that have been changed or contain after market parts "counterfeit." Their assertion (inwriting, by the way) seems to go beyond the bounds of law (Lanham Act), but they still refer to modified (non-original) Rolex watches as counterfeits.

[cht]

Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

Rolex actually calls watches that have been changed or contain after market parts "counterfeit." Their assertion (inwriting, by the way) seems to go beyond the bounds of law (Lanham Act), but they still refer to modified (non-original) Rolex watches as counterfeits.

Where have you heard "rolex" call these counterfeit?

Have links to share?

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by cht

Where have you heard "rolex" call these counterfeit?

Have links to share?

I think I have seen something on paperwork. Let me see what I can find. I think it was a letter with regards to watch that was sent in for service... but I may be mistaken... It could be on the Rolex website... I'll post an update as soon as I find what I am looking for.

[marcusjcw21]

Oh yeah... I just remembered... It was from the Meece lawsuit (Rolex v. Meece) Here is a link: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1281217.html

[Fredrik]

If the aftermarket parts contain Rolex trademarks they are counterfeit. So the dial in this case might be, if it is not a genuine Rolex part.

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

If the aftermarket parts contain Rolex trademarks they are counterfeit. So the dial in this case might be, if it is not a genuine Rolex part.

I think if you put an after market rotor on a 3135 (for instance) then if Rolex detected it, they would consider it to be "counterfeit" also. Even though it doesn't violate the Lanham Act, Rolex considers modified or upgraded watches with non-original parts to be "counterfeit" as they assert that the buyer and any future buyer will assess Rolex based in part on the quality of those unmarked parts. Rolex asserts that those parts are of lower quality and have not been inspected by Rolex to ensure proper quality control and that Rolex's reputation can be damaged by watches containing parts that are not genuine Rolex parts. That's their position as I understand it.

They don't seem to go after dial refinishers who do one for one refinishing, and they don't seem to go after jewelers who pavee the cases, bracelets, etc. and they don't seem to go after Bamford and all the other companies that customize Rolex watches with wild dials and DLC or PVD coated cases, but I believe if Rolex were to come into possession of a Bamford watch, they would send a letter to the person who sent the watch to them explaining that the watch is a counterfeit. They would send the watch back to the customer, though, unless it is a cheap Chinese fake.

I believe that John Mayer encountered this and that is why he sued Robert Maron. I believe it had to do with after market bezel inserts and Rolex notifying him that the watches were considered counterfeit due to the non-authentic bezel inserts. I'm pretty sure that's what happened in that case. Don't quote me though. The entire court filing is available online.