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cray-fish · 31 March 2009, 10:03 AM

I'm looking to jump into the GMT group with this watch. It is a 1993 TT GMT Master II on a Jubilee bracelet. There are no boxes or papers. I just had the opportunity to take a look at it, but did not have a chance to remove the bracelet to get the S/N, but I was told it is a 1993 model. I noticed the crown is wearing down and the Coronet is almost gone, in fact, you can see the secondary metal. The dial looks to be pristine and the bracelet has some stretch. One other area of concern is the GMT hand. There is definitely some discoloration (oxidation?) but no other major problems. Yes the bezel is a bit scratched but I can live with that. The Jubilee bracelet end pieces are marked 402B 50 and the clasp is marked 62523 H18 R 10. I'm assuming H18 refers to the 18k gold content in the links??

This watch has been offered to me for south of $4k Canadian as is, no service history, no boxes, no papers.

Let me know what you guys think. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Pete
aka crayfish
Sub, SD, DJ, SMP, Speedy, Ploprof, SMP Chrono, Breitling Hercules

Rockrolex · 31 March 2009, 10:07 AM

I think $4K is too much for that piece. The crown guards are worn to the nub and the 24 hour hand is almost colorless. You'll need to get it serviced, and if you have it done by RSC, they will most likely replace the hands and crown; not sure about the case, though. You'have to figure $900 - 1100 for service at RSC is my guess (but I could be way out of the ball park).

cray-fish · 31 March 2009, 10:22 AM

The photos of the watch were taken with the crown pulled. Here is a better pic of the crown guards...the crown is still pulled on this pic.

Pete
aka crayfish

jdrolltide3838 · 31 March 2009, 10:59 AM

I dont believe I would go $4k personally. I know of 2, 1 with a nipple dial and in very good shape and 1 with newer dial in great shape, sold for $3500

cray-fish · 31 March 2009, 11:22 AM

The price is closer to $3000 US. The original price I suggested was in Canadian dollars.

BTW. What are peoples preferences when it comes to TT GMTs...Rootbeer, Black, GMT, GMT II... just want opinions on which ones are more desirable.

Thanks

Pete

Tools · 31 March 2009, 12:59 PM

I prefer the black TT watches... very classy look........

Your example has an awful lot of wear on the crown..... I wonder what could have caused that

The dial appears to be in very good shape and the look of the thick lugs might mean it has never been over-polished or brushed, some key pluses.

This one might have not been maintained as it could have been....the crown is a pretty standard replacement item at service time...

I would evaluate the condition of the bracelet closely as this would be the big ticket item to replace... If the bracelet is in good condition, I could be tempted to add it to the box.

Bisquitlips · 31 March 2009, 01:03 PM

Before you buy this one look on the Sales forum. Springer (John in Dallas) has one that is a complete package and with a rare factory Sub bracelet!!!!

It is much better deal in my opinion!

jdrolltide3838 · 31 March 2009, 01:04 PM

I prefer black. It's not to far ok at $3k. If you can get in for around $2750-2800 you should be ok

jdrolltide3838 · 31 March 2009, 01:04 PM

off* instead of ok. my bad

greekbum · 31 March 2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

I prefer the black TT watches... very classy look........

Your example has an awful lot of wear on the crown..... I wonder what could have caused that

The dial appears to be in very good snape ahd the look of the thick lugs might mean it has never been overpolished or brushed, some key pluses.

This one might have not been maintained as it could have been....the crown is a pretty standard replacement item at service time...

I would evaluate the condition of the bracelet closely as this would be the big ticket item to replace... If the bracelet is in good condition, I could be tempted to add it to the box.

I agree here if its the watch you want.The bracelet is the key to the price.

cray-fish · 31 March 2009, 02:46 PM

I will drop by tomorrow and look at the watch again. Is there a good way to test the bracelet. I will try to take additional pics...what areas of the bracelet should I takes pics of (for you guys to give a comment on).

Here was a pic of the back the watch.

Pete
aka crayfish

pdxrolex · 31 March 2009, 02:51 PM

I'd pay 3K for it, but I can refinish and replace the crown myself. If you have to send it out 3K may be a little high.

cray-fish · 31 March 2009, 03:09 PM

I know how to replace a crown....but how do you refinish the gold on this one? Does anyone have a good source to buy an original Rolex Crown for the GMT?

Thanks

Pete

LDLemu4U · 31 March 2009, 03:21 PM

PM Sent.................

Timber Loftis · 31 March 2009, 03:27 PM

No B/P hurts the seller, but that is still a pretty nice watch. Get it checked out. If it checks out, the price is pretty fair, IMO.

cray-fish · 31 March 2009, 03:30 PM

Thanks for the hook up LDlemu4U. PM back to you.

Pete

cray-fish · 1 April 2009, 12:21 AM

Still need advice on what to look for she assessing the condition of the bracelet.

Thanks

Pete

Tools · 1 April 2009, 12:35 AM

You are mainly looking for excessive stretch in a Jubilee bracelet..

It manifests itself in wide gaps between the main outside links, and the ability to lay the bracelet flat and bend it laterally into an S shape..

You can also hold a watch with a stretched bracelet by the watch-head in front of your eye, perpendicular to the floor, and the bracelet will hang down noticeably.

The last photo showing the backside really doesn't look too bad...

cray-fish · 1 April 2009, 12:43 AM

thanks for the tips. I will go there later today and take some pics of the bracelet.

Btw what end link and clasp numbers should I be looking for. I noted some numbers in my first post but did not know / hear if they made sense for this vintage.

Pete

LDLemu4U · 1 April 2009, 02:26 AM

The markings on your bracelet seem to indicate that it is the original that went with the piece.

It should have 21 links.

If it has not been serviced in the last 5 yrs.......you have to provide allowances for that. And of course the crown replacement.

Looks like a very good buy!

cray-fish · 1 April 2009, 03:42 AM

Thanks for the input regarding the bracelet. I will try to post some pics today or tomorrow (working late shift today).

Pete
aka crayfish

cray-fish · 1 April 2009, 10:02 AM

Let me know what you guys think re: condition of this bracelet.

Thanks

Pete

cray-fish · 1 April 2009, 04:40 PM

Thanks for your input.

Pete

The GMT Kid · 1 April 2009, 04:51 PM

That bracelet looks good to me.

Just enough stretch to be comfortable.

cray-fish · 2 April 2009, 12:11 AM

Thanks for the input. It felt great when I tried it on. It only had 20 links but there was enough adjustment on the clasp to make it fit comfortably.

Pete

jdrolltide3838 · 2 April 2009, 12:50 AM

Looks fairly good compared to most of the ones Ive seen from that time period

cray-fish · 2 April 2009, 12:55 AM

Thanks for the input. I compared the bracelet to the one I have on my 1970's SS DJ and it had about the same stretch.

Pete
aka crayfish

- Sub, SD, DJ
- Omega Seamaster Coaxial Limited Ed. Casino Royal Bond - For sale to pay for the GMT
- PM for pics if interested

cray-fish · 3 April 2009, 03:40 PM

Does anyone have a pic of what the boxes and other items for this era watch would be.

Thanks

Pete

31 March 2009, 10:03 AM	#1
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Need Opinion on 1993 GMT TT Black I'm looking to jump into the GMT group with this watch. It is a 1993 TT GMT Master II on a Jubilee bracelet. There are no boxes or papers. I just had the opportunity to take a look at it, but did not have a chance to remove the bracelet to get the S/N, but I was told it is a 1993 model. I noticed the crown is wearing down and the Coronet is almost gone, in fact, you can see the secondary metal. The dial looks to be pristine and the bracelet has some stretch. One other area of concern is the GMT hand. There is definitely some discoloration (oxidation?) but no other major problems. Yes the bezel is a bit scratched but I can live with that. The Jubilee bracelet end pieces are marked 402B 50 and the clasp is marked 62523 H18 R 10. I'm assuming H18 refers to the 18k gold content in the links?? This watch has been offered to me for south of $4k Canadian as is, no service history, no boxes, no papers. Let me know what you guys think. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Pete aka crayfish Sub, SD, DJ, SMP, Speedy, Ploprof, SMP Chrono, Breitling Hercules Attached Images

31 March 2009, 10:07 AM	#2
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 38,424	I think $4K is too much for that piece. The crown guards are worn to the nub and the 24 hour hand is almost colorless. You'll need to get it serviced, and if you have it done by RSC, they will most likely replace the hands and crown; not sure about the case, though. You'have to figure $900 - 1100 for service at RSC is my guess (but I could be way out of the ball park). __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

31 March 2009, 10:22 AM	#3
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Better pic of the Crown Guards The photos of the watch were taken with the crown pulled. Here is a better pic of the crown guards...the crown is still pulled on this pic. Pete aka crayfish Attached Images

31 March 2009, 12:59 PM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,970	I prefer the black TT watches... very classy look........ Your example has an awful lot of wear on the crown..... I wonder what could have caused that The dial appears to be in very good shape and the look of the thick lugs might mean it has never been over-polished or brushed, some key pluses. This one might have not been maintained as it could have been....the crown is a pretty standard replacement item at service time... I would evaluate the condition of the bracelet closely as this would be the big ticket item to replace... If the bracelet is in good condition, I could be tempted to add it to the box. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

31 March 2009, 01:03 PM	#7
Bisquitlips 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,535	Before you buy this one look on the Sales forum. Springer (John in Dallas) has one that is a complete package and with a rare factory Sub bracelet!!!! It is much better deal in my opinion! __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

31 March 2009, 10:59 AM	#4
jdrolltide3838 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: J.D. Location: Roll Tide, AL Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 695	I dont believe I would go $4k personally. I know of 2, 1 with a nipple dial and in very good shape and 1 with newer dial in great shape, sold for $3500

31 March 2009, 11:22 AM	#5
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	The price is closer to $3000 US. The original price I suggested was in Canadian dollars. BTW. What are peoples preferences when it comes to TT GMTs...Rootbeer, Black, GMT, GMT II... just want opinions on which ones are more desirable. Thanks Pete

31 March 2009, 01:04 PM	#8
jdrolltide3838 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: J.D. Location: Roll Tide, AL Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 695	I prefer black. It's not to far ok at $3k. If you can get in for around $2750-2800 you should be ok

31 March 2009, 02:46 PM	#11
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Bracelet test??? I will drop by tomorrow and look at the watch again. Is there a good way to test the bracelet. I will try to take additional pics...what areas of the bracelet should I takes pics of (for you guys to give a comment on). Here was a pic of the back the watch. Pete aka crayfish Attached Images

31 March 2009, 02:51 PM	#12
pdxrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US Posts: 123	I'd pay 3K for it, but I can refinish and replace the crown myself. If you have to send it out 3K may be a little high.

31 March 2009, 03:09 PM	#13
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Replacing Crown / Refinishing Crown I know how to replace a crown....but how do you refinish the gold on this one? Does anyone have a good source to buy an original Rolex Crown for the GMT? Thanks Pete

31 March 2009, 03:21 PM	#14
LDLemu4U Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Watch: GMT Master IIc Posts: 472	PM Sent.................

31 March 2009, 03:27 PM	#15
Timber Loftis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Jon Location: Chicago Watch: IIc,DJII,P244,A1-Z Posts: 2,857	No B/P hurts the seller, but that is still a pretty nice watch. Get it checked out. If it checks out, the price is pretty fair, IMO.

31 March 2009, 03:30 PM	#16
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Thanks for the hook up LDlemu4U. PM back to you. Pete

1 April 2009, 12:21 AM	#17
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Still need advice on what to look for she assessing the condition of the bracelet. Thanks Pete

1 April 2009, 12:35 AM	#18
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,970	You are mainly looking for excessive stretch in a Jubilee bracelet.. It manifests itself in wide gaps between the main outside links, and the ability to lay the bracelet flat and bend it laterally into an S shape.. You can also hold a watch with a stretched bracelet by the watch-head in front of your eye, perpendicular to the floor, and the bracelet will hang down noticeably. The last photo showing the backside really doesn't look too bad... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

1 April 2009, 12:43 AM	#19
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	thanks for the tips. I will go there later today and take some pics of the bracelet. Btw what end link and clasp numbers should I be looking for. I noted some numbers in my first post but did not know / hear if they made sense for this vintage. Pete

1 April 2009, 02:26 AM	#20
LDLemu4U Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Watch: GMT Master IIc Posts: 472	The markings on your bracelet seem to indicate that it is the original that went with the piece. It should have 21 links. If it has not been serviced in the last 5 yrs.......you have to provide allowances for that. And of course the crown replacement. Looks like a very good buy!

1 April 2009, 03:42 AM	#21
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Thanks for the input regarding the bracelet. I will try to post some pics today or tomorrow (working late shift today). Pete aka crayfish

1 April 2009, 10:02 AM	#22
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Here are some pics of the bracelet Let me know what you guys think re: condition of this bracelet. Thanks Pete Attached Images

1 April 2009, 04:40 PM	#23
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Is the bracelet too stretched or still usable. Thanks for your input. Pete

1 April 2009, 04:51 PM	#24
The GMT Kid Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: S.F. Peninsula Watch: what you say! Posts: 815	That bracelet looks good to me. Just enough stretch to be comfortable.

2 April 2009, 12:11 AM	#25
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Thanks for the input. It felt great when I tried it on. It only had 20 links but there was enough adjustment on the clasp to make it fit comfortably. Pete

2 April 2009, 12:50 AM	#26
jdrolltide3838 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: J.D. Location: Roll Tide, AL Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 695	Looks fairly good compared to most of the ones Ive seen from that time period

2 April 2009, 12:55 AM	#27
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Thanks for the input. I compared the bracelet to the one I have on my 1970's SS DJ and it had about the same stretch. Pete aka crayfish - Sub, SD, DJ - Omega Seamaster Coaxial Limited Ed. Casino Royal Bond - For sale to pay for the GMT - PM for pics if interested

3 April 2009, 03:40 PM	#28
cray-fish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 175	Does anyone have a pic of what the boxes and other items for this era watch would be. Thanks Pete

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