2 Pateks or one ALS?

[tyler1980]

I have decided to move both of my AP 44's as i am just not feeling them anymore. The RG still sings to me, but not enough to keep. They were never forever watches for me as they are very big and i cant see myself with them when i'm old. So, if im going to get rid of them eventually, now is as good of time as any. The choices in consideration though are more classic and timeless IMO. Basically i can see myself actually wearing them when i'm an old man. The AP offshores, not so much and they will never be that to me.

Since i'm not buying any new watches currently (adding to the collection), this doesnt count as im just replacing watches

What would you do? Im in the Patek forum so i know it will probably be weighted to the Patek choices but try to think objectively. The Zeitwerk also has an outside chance of making the cut, but my wife hates it so its not officially in consideration at the moment. Plus, it would probably split the ALS vote if i included it as a third option.

ALS resale isnt a concern to me as i know it gets a bad rap but my AP's are going to lose just about as much so obviously the Pateks will do better in that regard I dont think ALS is substantially worse than AP or other brands so its not necessarily a negative.

Option 1. ALS Pt Datograph (current version)

Option 2 5726 1A (black/grey dial) + 5168G

I like the white dial 5726 better on other people but white dial watches look awful on me so i would go with the black/grey.

this is my existing Patek collection for reference. I also have a AP 15400 and a Rolex GMT II LN, both of which are permanent collection members for sentimental reasons.

[nyc2la]

I love the idea of adding a platinum watch, it would complete the metal lineup! Might I suggest the 5170p, or are you hard set on the two choices you proposed? If the proposed are the choices, make sure you try on the ALS as I’ve heard they wear rather thick.

[rfatm3f]

I voted pp before I read your post but since you already have a nautilus and aquanaut, I would go als.

I’d actually get the 1815 chrono over a dato I think. The zeitwerk would be in contention as well.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I love the idea of adding a platinum watch, it would complete the metal lineup! Might I suggest the 5170p, or are you hard set on the two choices you proposed? If the proposed are the choices, make sure you try on the ALS as I’ve heard they wear rather thick.

I like the size of the Dato and have tried it on many times. I love the 5170P ALOT too, however i would probably only ever have one or the other and not both. In that head to head I would most likely pick the Dato and the thickness and the 41mm size is one of the reasons. I am going to try on a 5170P first though to be sure, but the R which i have tried seemed too small. The 5905P is too dressy but I like that one too especially the size.

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

I like the size of the Dato and have tried it on many times. I love the 5170P ALOT too, however i would probably only ever have one or the other and not both. In that head to head I would most likely pick the Dato and the thickness and the 41mm size is one of the reasons. I am going to try on a 5170P first though to be sure, but the R which i have tried seemed too small. The 5905P is too dressy but I like that one too especially the size.

Sounds good! How big is your wrist?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

I like the size of the Dato and have tried it on many times. I love the 5170P ALOT too, however i would probably only ever have one or the other and not both. In that head to head I would most likely pick the Dato and the thickness and the 41mm size is one of the reasons. I am going to try on a 5170P first though to be sure, but the R which i have tried seemed too small. The 5905P is too dressy but I like that one too especially the size.

Love the Dato.
Double Split.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Sounds good! How big is your wrist?

somewhere in between 7 1/4 to 7 1/2. depending on how hot it is. Not huge wrists but im 6'5 so i can carry a larger watch. The AP's wear much larger than most 44's and those do wear ok, but very borderline.

5524G is the perfect size of watch for me, exactly. So all the considerations are pretty close to that. The PP's slightly smaller and the ALS a bit thicker.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by rfatm3f

I voted pp before I read your post but since you already have a nautilus and aquanaut, I would go als.

I’d actually get the 1815 chrono over a dato I think. The zeitwerk would be in contention as well.

love both also. The 1815 chrono in black is what i would get (haven't seen one IRL though) but for some reason i think the dato is more casual looking and that is what i am going for. Black dial 1815 chrono looks a lot dressier in pics, but its a way better value.

But the black dial 1815 chrono + 5726 is a thought as at retail its in the ballpark to a Dato (not counting any discounts)

[LAFLARE]

Saw a PT dato at a boutique couple weekends ago and it was so nice I swung back there a second time the following day to show two friends, and both of their mothers (seriously) I had such a calling that I am considering it as a future piece. In my current, small collection, I would take the addition of two PP's, but that is offset by the 5168 as I am not particular savvy about aquas at this point in my life and would replace that with another reference. Have I already two PP's in my collection, I would shoot for the pt dato.

Look at the bright side, at least as an old man you won't be selling the thing since it's nice, round and shiny.

[tng11]

I vote the PT Datograph hands down. You already have an amazing trio of PP and I'm not sure the 5168G/5726A would add enough extra to the trio over the Datograph.

Interesting that you're falling out of love with the ROO. I've never went without an ROO in the collection since 2008. Sold off the last one a few weeks ago and don't regret it one iota, and similarly, I'm now tilting more towards Patek too.

[FeelingTheBlues]

ALS gets my vote, I'm not the biggest fan of the 5726 (the 5712 is much nicer for a moonphase Nautilus regardless of the AC) and your Aquanaut covers the collection nicely, no needs for the 5168 as far as I am concerned.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tng11

I vote the PT Datograph hands down. You already have an amazing trio of PP and I'm not sure the 5168G/5726A would add enough extra to the trio over the Datograph.

Interesting that you're falling out of love with the ROO. I've never went without an ROO in the collection since 2008. Sold off the last one a few weeks ago and don't regret it one iota, and similarly, I'm now tilting more towards Patek too.

A lot has to do with AP's treatment of me. I have no plans on future purchases because of that, but it is a factor on the specialness of the watches I already own wearing off. That in addition to the fact they were not bought with the intention of being forever pieces in the first place. Watches are irrational purchases to begin with and sometimes its random things that cause that switch to turn off and for one to become disinterested in certain brands.

Inviting me on a manufacture visit to make up for horrible customer service and then standing me up for that manufacture visit by forgetting to actually arrange it for me was the worst. Then they blamed me for not chasing them down in time to remind them. Seriously that happened. I saw behind the curtain and didn't like what i saw. I wish i would have never seen as sometimes ignorance is bliss. I can't unsee how their operation is run.

[ap1]

Since you opened the door - 1815 chrono and 5726

[AK797]

I would go for a Lange as you're covered for PP. I was a big Dato fan but the original dial is the one for me but I do prefer the 41mm size, so the Zeitwerk has overtaken both as my first choice Lange. If you can't replace the wife then go for the Dato, has a nicer behind as well... than the ZW not your missus.

Interesting you mention the AP 44 as I just mentioned a new 42 ceramic on the AP SIHH thread, as after having 2 PPs now the size difference up to 44 is noticeable on me, but ultimately I love the construction of the watch and love having more of it to admire.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AK797

I would go for a Lange as you're covered for PP. I was a big Dato fan but the original dial is the one for me but I do prefer the 41mm size, so the Zeitwerk has overtaken both as my first choice Lange. If you can't replace the wife then go for the Dato, has a nicer behind as well... than the ZW not your missus.

Interesting you mention the AP 44 as I just mentioned a new 42 ceramic on the AP SIHH thread, as after having 2 PPs now the size difference up to 44 is noticeable on me, but ultimately I love the construction of the watch and love having more of it to admire.

its very jarring to put on a 44 offshore to me now. I use to have all big watches so it was not an issue. I tend to prefer smaller now as the PP's are my favorites so my benchmark on size changed downward. 41-42mm is probably my ideal. The 5164 use to seem small to me, but now i think its great.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by ap1

Since you opened the door - 1815 chrono and 5726

im going to try my best to find one to see and then ill know for sure, but there are just not many to be seen. Its a hedge for sure as its not fully committing to the dato as the price difference is huge but still getting most of it.

[ap1]

I have one inbound and thought it was for Dec delivery but no dice. Hoping soon. I put some pics out there from trying a tour model a while ago

[tng11]

Just IMO - I've seen the 1815 Chronograph in person and it didn't give me that "wow" feeling I had when I put the Datograph on. I feel like the lack of a big date really makes it obvious the subdials are off-center, and makes the watch too sterile/subdued for my liking. The Datograph is a watch I could see being dressed up or down, when the 1815 Chronograph just feels all-on dressy. Next to the Datograph, I find the 1815 Chronograph a little underwhelming.

Take my with a grain of salt.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tng11

Just IMO - I've seen the 1815 Chronograph in person and it didn't give me that "wow" feeling I had when I put the Datograph on. I feel like the lack of a big date really makes it obvious the subdials are off-center, and makes the watch too sterile/subdued for my liking. The Datograph is a watch I could see being dressed up or down, when the 1815 Chronograph just feels all-on dressy. Next to the Datograph, I find the 1815 Chronograph a little underwhelming.

Take my with a grain of salt.

from pics that is exactly what i thought about the 1815, but that was based off pics. Dato i think is a casual watch that can be dressed up a bit, where as the 1815 chrono may be to dressy for jeans and a non collared shirt. I dont wear suits ever, if i did it may be a different set of factors in the decision process.

aesthetically both beautiful watches though, but the more i look the more the fact they are very different becomes apparent. Its not just a dato without a date.

[thomaspp]

You desperately need a chrono! 5070G would be the best choice followed by the 39mm plat datograph. Good luck!


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[ap1]

Originally Posted by tng11

Just IMO - I've seen the 1815 Chronograph in person and it didn't give me that "wow" feeling I had when I put the Datograph on. I feel like the lack of a big date really makes it obvious the subdials are off-center, and makes the watch too sterile/subdued for my liking. The Datograph is a watch I could see being dressed up or down, when the 1815 Chronograph just feels all-on dressy. Next to the Datograph, I find the 1815 Chronograph a little underwhelming.

Take my with a grain of salt.

Debbie downer

[AshAP]

Hi Tyler, I know how much you like the datograph so I think you should get that one next, sorry to hear that you’re selling both of your Offshores.


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Hi Tyler, I know how much you like the datograph so I think you should get that one next, sorry to hear that you’re selling both of your Offshores.


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Thats what my gut says, my head is making two watches for the price of one and two Pateks at that which I also really like a very difficult dilemma. No doubt the Dato is my grail watch, full stop. Its more should i just get the grail now or enjoy some more PP's for a while and i would not feel like i was settling at all. Its like people fearing retirement as thats the end and what do you do? Getting the grail and i seriously have no idea where to go from there.

Actually wearing a watch that expensive is also a concern. Its under the radar and no one will know what it is so that helps, but still its hard to wrap my head around one watch vs two at half the price.

PS ill always have my RO 15400 so im never completely AP divested.

[AJW232]

Have you tried the 5168g? I found it wore quite big compared to my 5980r and I find the size of my AP 15400 fine.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

Thats what my gut says, my head is making two watches for the price of one and two Pateks at that which I also really like a very difficult dilemma. No doubt the Dato is my grail watch, full stop. Its more should i just get the grail now or enjoy some more PP's for a while and i would not feel like i was settling at all. Its like people fearing retirement as thats the end and what do you do? Getting the grail and i seriously have no idea where to go from there.



Actually wearing a watch that expensive is also a concern. Its under the radar and no one will know what it is so that helps, but still its hard to wrap my head around one watch vs two at half the price.



PS ill always have my RO 15400 so im never completely AP divested.

I wear my platinum 44 all the time and it doesn’t bother me wearing an expensive watch as it looks like steel and no one seems to notice it. That said I was always a little self conscious wearing a gold Offshore as I would see people staring at it.


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I wear my platinum 44 all the time and it doesn’t bother me wearing an expensive watch as it looks like steel and no one seems to notice it. That said I was always a little self conscious wearing a gold Offshore as I would see people staring at it.


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all things being equal im a white metal guy. RG or YG is beautiful but its harder to pull off for me and it attracts attention. If i had a Pt 44 it may be different but the RG is just very loud.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

all things being equal im a white metal guy. RG or YG is beautiful but its harder to pull off for me and it attracts attention. If i had a Pt 44 it may be different but the RG is just very loud.

The seed is planted, my work here is done.


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[RussW]

I’m not really the biggest ALS fan, and as you’ve already got a nautilus and aquanaut, I’d go along with the other suggestions of a 5170p or 5070.

[kneedeep]

I voted ALS because I'd be covered with the PPs in your picture. If 5070P were in play, I'd go with that.

[tng11]

I would be very torn between a 5170P and Dato. The PT Dato was my one true grail until I laid eyes on the 5170P. I saw the 5170P in person and tried it on over the holidays and was stunned by it. In a head to head, I think the 5170P's dial trumps the Dato hands down. The particular one I saw at an AD was also on a matte alligator strap and it looked versatile enough to be dressed down, in contrast to when it is on a glossy strap. I think the Lange's caseback is more interesting, but it comes at the cost of being thicker and feeling top heavy in comparison to the 5170P.