Panerai pooper brand

[Foxiness]

https://perezcope.com/2022/03/27/the...wngrading/amp/


I don’t know how anyone can still purchase panerais

[Saoirse32]

Troll much?!?


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[Cru Jones]

I don’t know why people believe everything they read on blogs.

[Andad]

When I read ‘polished bewels’ I question the intelligence of the source and the poster?

My 231 has a base ETA Unitas 6497-1 movement but to me is one of the nicest watches I own.


You sent a Panerai in for a service last year and it came back with a scratch on it.

Is this your problem?

[rootbeer7]

There’s 2 sides here, but Jose investigates fully all the references he discusses. His take on what he investigates is that amongst other issues, history & some of their offerings aren’t quite as they seem. Unfortunately this does appear to be the case regardless of others opinions. Do other brands create or embellish history? Absolutely they do, but others aren’t quite as high profile. I enjoy reading his findings and discussing them with him.
And by the way, I’ve had 3 Panerai and currently own an early 112; a no nonsense eta movement based Base model. Would I buy a new model? Probably not.

[Old Expat Beast]

The guy knows Panerai better than most. I found this interesting: https://perezcope.com/2022/04/28/rol...-side-by-side/

[htc8p]

Omega, rolex, jlc, zenith all have maintained their quality, development and their history and prestige remains.

Panerai seems to be losing all of it in current day. It can be seen when i go to their stores and see their watches.

Nothing in their current line up generates interest and value.

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[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The guy knows Panerai better than most. I found this interesting: https://perezcope.com/2022/04/28/rol...-side-by-side/

Not sure why you think that, Adam.

90% of his content is conjecture based on “according to expert collectors” and “industry sources” and “former employees” and “my brother’s hairdresser’s cousin”.

[fullcourt]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Not sure why you think that, Adam.

90% of his content is conjecture based on “according to expert collectors” and “industry sources” and “former employees” and “my brother’s hairdresser’s cousin”.

....on his mothers side of course

[TswaneNguni]

Interesting that they used the Rolex 3235 in the article where 25% on the TRF poll have issues with the movement ...

Just checked ,I have the following movements in my collection :

P2002/1 in 289
OP XI in 292J
P9010 in 671 ,beautifully finished still and seconds hand hacking.
OP X in the 249
P3000 in the 425 and 932
P3001 in the 422
P2002/7 in the 341

All from a great era .

Wonder how the P 9010 looks in the 44mm Gold-Tech Submersible ? Gorgeous watch,would be a pity if the movement was plane jane .

[Watch This]

PAM fan here to be clear.
Have had an 88, 422 (boy, do I miss that one) and 1313.
Can't really say I approve of some of the corporate decision making or other nonsense in recent years.
Still, a unique and very cool brand. Should have one in my collection, just not drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Foxiness]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Interesting that they used the Rolex 3235 in the article where 25% on the TRF poll have issues with the movement ...

Just checked ,I have the following movements in my collection :

P2002/1 in 289
OP XI in 292J
P9010 in 671 ,beautifully finished still and seconds hand hacking.
OP X in the 249
P3000 in the 425 and 932
P3001 in the 422
P2002/7 in the 341

All from a great era .

Wonder how the P 9010 looks in the 44mm Gold-Tech Submersible ? Gorgeous watch,would be a pity if the movement was plane jane .

The Rolex 3235 movement issue is real, however Rolex stands by their warranty and will fix it when sent in. I’ve had a panerai where I’ve sent it in twice and was returned to me with the same issue plus extra scratches

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Foxiness

The Rolex 3235 movement issue is real, however Rolex stands by their warranty and will fix it when sent in. I’ve had a panerai where I’ve sent it in twice and was returned to me with the same issue plus extra scratches

Oooo,dont worry ,I had a Panerai fixed(date issue) and the caseback came back scratched .
Some very nasty letters in writing were exchanged ..

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by Andad

When I read ‘polished bewels’ I question the intelligence of the source and the poster?

My 231 has a base ETA Unitas 6497-1 movement but to me is one of the nicest watches I own.


You sent a Panerai in for a service last year and it came back with a scratch on it.

Is this your problem?

Jose doesn’t have a problem with good honest Panerai using well-known eta/other movements. It’s the muddled history and lowering of standards that’s the problem.

[roger.bolton]

The only positive is that P have not increased prices in over 2 years as of now.

[Foxiness]

Originally Posted by roger.bolton

The only positive is that P have not increased prices in over 2 years as of now.

What? Their pricing keeps going up while they keep stripping away features

[tedo]

Originally Posted by rootbeer7

Jose doesn’t have a problem with good honest Panerai using well-known eta/other movements. It’s the muddled history and lowering of standards that’s the problem.

This is true, he is fan of particular references — it is modern Panerai company that gets under his skin.

I have owned and still own Panerai, looking for something new as we speak.

[roger.bolton]

Foxiness, not sure what you mean. My 1661 is for sale at the same price today as when I purchased in 2019.

[VogelPhoenix]

Interesting that no-one seems to be refuting any of claimed facts in the article, but just resorts to personal attacks on messenger or source. Is anyone arguing that the sad looking pictures on the website are not of a P.9010 Evolution, OP XiXX and P.900e?

I have one Panerai (721), and at one time was planning to buy a few more, but can only see Panerai's actions as "complete and utter disrespect for the very people who spend their hard-earned money", as the article says.

[yachty 1]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Interesting that no-one seems to be refuting any of claimed facts in the article, but just resorts to personal attacks on messenger or source. Is anyone arguing that the sad looking pictures on the website are not of a P.9010 Evolution, OP XiXX and P.900e?

I have one Panerai (721), and at one time was planning to buy a few more, but can only see Panerai's actions as "complete and utter disrespect for the very people who spend their hard-earned money", as the article says.

I have to agree with you.. Currently own 3 , was planning on adding a 44 mm submersible. I am truly disappointed.. I could live with the p900 but at least decorate it and explain why they decided to go with this movement instead of the 9010.

[Foxiness]

Originally Posted by yachty 1

I have to agree with you.. Currently own 3 , was planning on adding a 44 mm submersible. I am truly disappointed.. I could live with the p900 but at least decorate it and explain why they decided to go with this movement instead of the 9010.

I wanted to add the 1314 after a long hiatus so did some googling if panerais were still pooper turns out it’s bigger pooper now

[Glidelock]

Originally Posted by roger.bolton

The only positive is that P have not increased prices in over 2 years as of now.

Panerai literally just raised prices across the board today and all AD’s / Boutiques and their website all reflect price increase! 7.5% on SS Submersible’s for example.

[roger.bolton]

@glidelock, wow!

[TswaneNguni]

Just saw a PAM 29 tuxedo tritium dial for sale ,1999,very little money ...thats what you buy

[stockae92]

You wear it if you like it, you don't wear it if you don't like it.

I still don't understand why people need to go the extra mile just to give a brand a bad name. I think there are other motivation behind that.

[yachty 1]

Originally Posted by stockae92

You wear it if you like it, you don't wear it if you don't like it.

I still don't understand why people need to go the extra mile just to give a brand a bad name. I think there are other motivation behind that.

I speak for myself. I love the brand and there's just that glimmer of hope if people complain enough they will realize it and stop downgrading there product . Ps I have a newer model non hack and not decorated movement. Didn't now it was undecorated before I purchased it. They are just misleading. They also showed quick strap change system in there photo, but it's not.

[itsjknight]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Interesting that no-one seems to be refuting any of claimed facts in the article, but just resorts to personal attacks on messenger or source. Is anyone arguing that the sad looking pictures on the website are not of a P.9010 Evolution, OP XiXX and P.900e?

I have one Panerai (721), and at one time was planning to buy a few more, but can only see Panerai's actions as "complete and utter disrespect for the very people who spend their hard-earned money", as the article says.

Completely agree. I've been a Panerai collector and fan since around 2001 so it's upsetting to see the constant downgrading. As someone who has spent a lot of money with Panerai over 20 years, I feel disrespected.

[Greglaw]

Jose has good insight and articles. Sure there are some vague references, but, show me one time where he was wrong.

[Duke10]

I own two Panerai. An original 1312 and a 2021 1209. 1312 not going anywhere but this does bother me a bit and will definitely affect my future purchase decisions.

[roger.bolton]

I think the mainstream watch press have largely ignored the 9010 issues.