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submariner16610 · 24 October 2009, 10:21 AM

guys,why does an ss rolex hold their value better compared to tt?Gold is of course more precious and expensive.And i keep on hearing on the news that gold prices are soaring up.But i just don't understand why the tt rolex doesn't have a good resale value compared to stainless steel?? You can get a tt pre owned for almost half the retail price,but not on the ss..

snowbird · 24 October 2009, 10:54 AM

I'm not sure of the full explanation but I would guess one factor is that steel watches physically hold up better, all else being equal, as gold is softer and more liable to get scratched, dented etc. . . not saying this is true in all cases but I remember when looking at used TT blue subs that some of them looked pretty beat up to me, relative to used SS subs.

Don't get me wrong, I still love the look of the TT watches especially the blue sub.

submariner16610 · 24 October 2009, 10:57 AM

even the like new condition tt is way lower than retail cpmpared to ss like new condition.Assuming same condition,the ss really holds value much better than tt. I don't understand.

snowbird · 24 October 2009, 11:05 AM

Another factor may be a smaller pool of buyers for the TT models, due to the higher prices, and many of those who can afford used TT can also afford new TT and just get new.

Isn't the same true for luxury cars versus average cars, I believe higher priced cars drop in value more?

MortgageGuy · 24 October 2009, 11:26 AM

You think the TT re sale is in the toilet, check out Full Gold...YIKES

The Baron · 24 October 2009, 11:29 AM

There is a bigger market for SS models, but I always find it hard to justify paying money for a SS watch. There is little precious metal content, and they are lighter. With that said, the SS do look nice, but when you want to peacock TT is the way to go.

The SS holds it value better, but you can get a better deal on a TT. AD's i've talked to always discount the TT more than the SS. Any Rolex you buy will hold it's value; buy the one you like.

Perdu · 24 October 2009, 11:50 AM

I think tt is a couple of thousand more expensive and you will loose $1k of that on resale. They look great though.

sea-dweller · 24 October 2009, 11:52 AM

I've noticed that also, but am hard pressed to provide an explanation.

greekbum · 24 October 2009, 11:55 AM

The largest % of people Worldwide want SS. Gold and TT just dont sell well in certain parts of the world.
Now on vintage models the SS models are the ones collectors mainly collect.

Bisquitlips · 24 October 2009, 11:55 AM

I really like the TT's in most Rolexes and really enjoy them. The only one I did choose in the SS was the GMT II. The reason was that I could change the oyster bracelet to a Jubilee and the bezels from Coke, to Pepsi, and to all black on a whim and actually have many different looks in one watch.

To each his own and I must say I have never seen a Rolex I didn't like.... except for that dastardly Leopard! Ugh!

Nick1959 · 24 October 2009, 11:59 AM

Also I think the TT and Gold are dispropotiately over priced I think. Even when you factor in the price of the Gold or other precious metals. Despite being over priced I like my TTs

sakuraba · 24 October 2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bisquitlips

To each his own and I must say I have never seen a Rolex I didn't like.... except for that dastardly Leopard! Ugh!

and the GMT Ice

rolexsubdate · 24 October 2009, 12:12 PM

The TT shows that the person went the extra distance ... there are tons of SS around but when you see its TT equivalent, it makes you go "Wow!" ....

Also if you are buying from the point of flipping it, then TT is a bad way to go but if you are buying for life, then it doesn't matter ....

A TT's value compared to its TT MSRP, is definitely worse than a SS value compared to its SS MSRP, but a TT will always be more than its SS counterpart and if you can get a TT pretty low, then it is definitely worth it ...

To me all gold looks too cheesy ... very gangster like ..... too many people out there wearing all gold or all goldl ook alike models .....but the gold and steel combo is totally incredible .....

And as far as gold being softer than steel, yeah, it sure is, but unless you are towing a car with your bracelet, for every day life and use/abuse, you will not be able to notice the diff ....

Tools · 24 October 2009, 12:45 PM

The sale of used goods has almost nothing to do with what it is made of..

If you have a solid platinum watch, but nobody wants it, it is worth zero because that is what you can get for it.....

The demand is for SS watches, so they get the better value... Besides, you cannot ever compare the value of gold on the spot market and jewelry made of the stuff...... there is little comparison except the color. Try selling your wife's solid gold earrings........... you probably won't get 20 bucks for them..unless they are in demand..

karmatp · 24 October 2009, 12:48 PM

There are a lot of people that just can't pull off the yellow gold look, including me. I want my watch to blend in, not stand out, and I want the tool look, not bling. Just my $0.02

cali kid · 24 October 2009, 01:20 PM

I've had a 16613TT blue sub for ten years now and just dont wear much gold anymore! miss my SS sub but will never get rid of the TT, one day it will be my 19 year old sons watch! I'm sure he will find out what the market is for it not long after i'm gone!!

AIKO · 24 October 2009, 02:39 PM

All very good points on this thread. For me, if a Sub or GMT sold for 20% of the cost of the SS I still would not buy it. Just not my style, to bling for me. SS appeals to a broader cross section of people.

Wolfgang427 · 24 October 2009, 02:48 PM

It all boils down to one thing and that is SS is always cheaper(when new) then TT or all gold, thus in relation to original price it will sell closer to its cheaper MSRP then its precious metal counterparts who always have higher MSRP's.

newmedia · 24 October 2009, 02:53 PM

I think its cost of Rolex , more people want Rolex and SS is still cost less than TT even after lower used prices of TT.

Only watch they really shows real bling is NEW models with ceramic models, its a beautiful watch but its harder to carry it because its different than other Rolex watches of the past.

TABACCO · 24 October 2009, 02:54 PM

been wearing my ss for almost 10yrs now i need a change thats why i bought a tt. i dunno about the resale value thou

Gerardus · 24 October 2009, 05:16 PM

SS has the best resale value imo.

rolexsubdate · 24 October 2009, 09:55 PM

Well take the 16610 vs 16613. 16610 does everything the 16613 does, functionality wise, but 16613 has different colors and different materials.

When you start buying TT, it sure is a sign that you have a lot more money to throw on a watch because functionality wise, both watches are the same.

So if you hold both in your hands and have to buy one only then you start thinking "hmmm... I think I can live without that gold!"

because the price diff is pretty high ... about $3,000

But a TT really distinguishes and shine like a beacon .... people do notice ....and when you hold one in your hand, you heart says "Oh man ... what a beautiful watch ...." .....

I would strongly advise TT as being your first rolex but if you have some SS collection, then a TT really really adds color and variety BUT the best news is that it still is a sub .... I only collect subs and SDs ...

when I clean my watches, my 8yr old daughter immediately picks up the blue 16613 sub and goes "dad, that's a very beautiful watch!" ....and I say "It sure is isn't it ...."

And that's why I will never sell mine ..... Everytime I put it on, it makes me go "Oooooohhh..... BABAY!!!! "... mostly it is just sitting there looking pretty and that's just how I want it to be ....

drtooth73 · 24 October 2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by submariner16610

even the like new condition tt is way lower than retail cpmpared to ss like new condition.Assuming same condition,the ss really holds value much better than tt. I don't understand.

Its way more profit for the dealer, so they have wiggle room

drtooth73 · 24 October 2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

Well take the 16610 vs 16613. 16610 does everything the 16613 does, functionality wise, but 16613 has different colors and different materials.

When you start buying TT, it sure is a sign that you have a lot more money to throw on a watch because functionality wise, both watches are the same.

So if you hold both in your hands and have to buy one only then you start thinking "hmmm... I think I can live without that gold!"

because the price diff is pretty high ... about $3,000

But a TT really distinguishes and shine like a beacon .... people do notice ....and when you hold one in your hand, you heart says "Oh man ... what a beautiful watch ...." .....

I would strongly advise TT as being your first rolex but if you have some SS collection, then a TT really really adds color and variety BUT the best news is that it still is a sub .... I only collect subs and SDs ...

when I clean my watches, my 8yr old daughter immediately picks up the blue 16613 sub and goes "dad, that's a very beautiful watch!" ....and I say "It sure is isn't it ...."

And that's why I will never sell mine ..... Everytime I put it on, it makes me go "Oooooohhh..... BABAY!!!! "... mostly it is just sitting there looking pretty and that's just how I want it to be ....

Yeah, people notice the TT and comment on it more compared to SS.

drtooth73 · 24 October 2009, 10:11 PM

16613 is a gorgeous watch, but after being my daily wear for almost 6 month I started to notice bracelet stretch. That was the only negative about it. Hope I wont see it in the new model.

landroverking · 24 October 2009, 11:25 PM

There are only a few TT's I like, first is the Blue TT Sub, I also love this watch in all gold.
Ditto for the Daytona's, The DJ is a true classic as is Turn O Graphs new and old. For me that's about it. I might include the GMTIIc, but I have yet to see one in person.

rolexsubdate · 25 October 2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

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I would strongly advise TT as being your first rolex ......:

Correction: what I meant to say was: I would strongly advise AGAINST TT as being your first rolex....

K-R · 27 October 2009, 01:24 AM

How many % lost when you buy new TT and sell it to watch shop? (When you need urgent fund). For example if you buy the TT GMT IIc for $10,000 brand new, how much will you lost when you sell it to watch shop? Any idea? Any advice?

MortgageGuy · 27 October 2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by K-R

How many % lost when you buy new TT and sell it to watch shop? (When you need urgent fund). For example if you buy the TT GMT IIc for $10,000 brand new, how much will you lost when you sell it to watch shop? Any idea? Any advice?

I think that depends on what your definition of a "watch shop" is? A grey dealer would sell that 10k MSRP watch new for about 7-8k. This being said your "used" watch would be worth the 6-7.5k range in my opinion but a "watch shop" maybe $5k??? They would be really screwing you but they are in it to turn a profit... My .02. Hope you dont have to sell.

yemenmocha · 27 October 2009, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowbird

Another factor may be a smaller pool of buyers for the TT models, due to the higher prices, and many of those who can afford used TT can also afford new TT and just get new.

Isn't the same true for luxury cars versus average cars, I believe higher priced cars drop in value more?

We have a winner!

Larger pool of buyers. Many TT models are almost double the price of their SS counterparts, plus stainless is more trendy right now compared to anything YG.

24 October 2009, 10:21 AM	#1
submariner16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: united states Watch: submariner,daytona Posts: 707	tt resale value cpmpared ss guys,why does an ss rolex hold their value better compared to tt?Gold is of course more precious and expensive.And i keep on hearing on the news that gold prices are soaring up.But i just don't understand why the tt rolex doesn't have a good resale value compared to stainless steel?? You can get a tt pre owned for almost half the retail price,but not on the ss..

24 October 2009, 11:26 AM	#5
MortgageGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: Me Posts: 9,934	You think the TT re sale is in the toilet, check out Full Gold...YIKES __________________ The richest people in the world look for and build NETWORKS, Everyone else looks for work... Robert Kiyosaki

24 October 2009, 11:50 AM	#7
Perdu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Gary Location: GMT-6 Watch: GMT Posts: 3,350	I think tt is a couple of thousand more expensive and you will loose $1k of that on resale. They look great though. __________________ Omega Seamaster 300M GMT Noire Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 8500 Benson 1937 Sterling Silver Hunter

24 October 2009, 11:52 AM	#8
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,017	I've noticed that also, but am hard pressed to provide an explanation. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

24 October 2009, 11:55 AM	#9
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,424	The largest % of people Worldwide want SS. Gold and TT just dont sell well in certain parts of the world. Now on vintage models the SS models are the ones collectors mainly collect. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

24 October 2009, 10:54 AM	#2
snowbird "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 2,157	I'm not sure of the full explanation but I would guess one factor is that steel watches physically hold up better, all else being equal, as gold is softer and more liable to get scratched, dented etc. . . not saying this is true in all cases but I remember when looking at used TT blue subs that some of them looked pretty beat up to me, relative to used SS subs. Don't get me wrong, I still love the look of the TT watches especially the blue sub.

24 October 2009, 10:57 AM	#3
submariner16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: united states Watch: submariner,daytona Posts: 707	even the like new condition tt is way lower than retail cpmpared to ss like new condition.Assuming same condition,the ss really holds value much better than tt. I don't understand.

24 October 2009, 11:05 AM	#4
snowbird "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 2,157	Another factor may be a smaller pool of buyers for the TT models, due to the higher prices, and many of those who can afford used TT can also afford new TT and just get new. Isn't the same true for luxury cars versus average cars, I believe higher priced cars drop in value more?

24 October 2009, 11:29 AM	#6
The Baron Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 27	There is a bigger market for SS models, but I always find it hard to justify paying money for a SS watch. There is little precious metal content, and they are lighter. With that said, the SS do look nice, but when you want to peacock TT is the way to go. The SS holds it value better, but you can get a better deal on a TT. AD's i've talked to always discount the TT more than the SS. Any Rolex you buy will hold it's value; buy the one you like.

24 October 2009, 11:55 AM	#10
Bisquitlips 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,542	I really like the TT's in most Rolexes and really enjoy them. The only one I did choose in the SS was the GMT II. The reason was that I could change the oyster bracelet to a Jubilee and the bezels from Coke, to Pepsi, and to all black on a whim and actually have many different looks in one watch. To each his own and I must say I have never seen a Rolex I didn't like.... except for that dastardly Leopard! Ugh! __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

24 October 2009, 11:59 AM	#11
Nick1959 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Watch: Rolex DSSD Posts: 558	Also I think the TT and Gold are dispropotiately over priced I think. Even when you factor in the price of the Gold or other precious metals. Despite being over priced I like my TTs

24 October 2009, 12:12 PM	#13
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	The TT shows that the person went the extra distance ... there are tons of SS around but when you see its TT equivalent, it makes you go "Wow!" .... Also if you are buying from the point of flipping it, then TT is a bad way to go but if you are buying for life, then it doesn't matter .... A TT's value compared to its TT MSRP, is definitely worse than a SS value compared to its SS MSRP, but a TT will always be more than its SS counterpart and if you can get a TT pretty low, then it is definitely worth it ... To me all gold looks too cheesy ... very gangster like ..... too many people out there wearing all gold or all goldl ook alike models .....but the gold and steel combo is totally incredible ..... And as far as gold being softer than steel, yeah, it sure is, but unless you are towing a car with your bracelet, for every day life and use/abuse, you will not be able to notice the diff ....

24 October 2009, 12:45 PM	#14
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,989	The sale of used goods has almost nothing to do with what it is made of.. If you have a solid platinum watch, but nobody wants it, it is worth zero because that is what you can get for it..... The demand is for SS watches, so they get the better value... Besides, you cannot ever compare the value of gold on the spot market and jewelry made of the stuff...... there is little comparison except the color. Try selling your wife's solid gold earrings........... you probably won't get 20 bucks for them..unless they are in demand.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

24 October 2009, 12:48 PM	#15
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	There are a lot of people that just can't pull off the yellow gold look, including me. I want my watch to blend in, not stand out, and I want the tool look, not bling. Just my $0.02 __________________ My grails:

24 October 2009, 01:20 PM	#16
cali kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Trevor Location: Monterey Co. Ca. Watch: 16610, 16613, 024 Posts: 439	I've had a 16613TT blue sub for ten years now and just dont wear much gold anymore! miss my SS sub but will never get rid of the TT, one day it will be my 19 year old sons watch! I'm sure he will find out what the market is for it not long after i'm gone!!

24 October 2009, 02:39 PM	#17
AIKO "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,937	All very good points on this thread. For me, if a Sub or GMT sold for 20% of the cost of the SS I still would not buy it. Just not my style, to bling for me. SS appeals to a broader cross section of people.

24 October 2009, 02:48 PM	#18
Wolfgang427 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,595	It all boils down to one thing and that is SS is always cheaper(when new) then TT or all gold, thus in relation to original price it will sell closer to its cheaper MSRP then its precious metal counterparts who always have higher MSRP's.

24 October 2009, 02:53 PM	#19
newmedia "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 526	I think its cost of Rolex , more people want Rolex and SS is still cost less than TT even after lower used prices of TT. Only watch they really shows real bling is NEW models with ceramic models, its a beautiful watch but its harder to carry it because its different than other Rolex watches of the past.

24 October 2009, 02:54 PM	#20
TABACCO "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: ED Location: PHILIPPINES Posts: 377	been wearing my ss for almost 10yrs now i need a change thats why i bought a tt. i dunno about the resale value thou

24 October 2009, 05:16 PM	#21
Gerardus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Gerardus Location: Countryside Watch: ♕ Posts: 12,328	SS has the best resale value imo. __________________

24 October 2009, 09:55 PM	#22
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	Well take the 16610 vs 16613. 16610 does everything the 16613 does, functionality wise, but 16613 has different colors and different materials. When you start buying TT, it sure is a sign that you have a lot more money to throw on a watch because functionality wise, both watches are the same. So if you hold both in your hands and have to buy one only then you start thinking "hmmm... I think I can live without that gold!" because the price diff is pretty high ... about $3,000 But a TT really distinguishes and shine like a beacon .... people do notice ....and when you hold one in your hand, you heart says "Oh man ... what a beautiful watch ...." ..... I would strongly advise TT as being your first rolex but if you have some SS collection, then a TT really really adds color and variety BUT the best news is that it still is a sub .... I only collect subs and SDs ... when I clean my watches, my 8yr old daughter immediately picks up the blue 16613 sub and goes "dad, that's a very beautiful watch!" ....and I say "It sure is isn't it ...." And that's why I will never sell mine ..... Everytime I put it on, it makes me go "Oooooohhh..... BABAY!!!! "... mostly it is just sitting there looking pretty and that's just how I want it to be ....

24 October 2009, 10:11 PM	#25
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	16613 is a gorgeous watch, but after being my daily wear for almost 6 month I started to notice bracelet stretch. That was the only negative about it. Hope I wont see it in the new model.

24 October 2009, 11:25 PM	#26
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	There are only a few TT's I like, first is the Blue TT Sub, I also love this watch in all gold. Ditto for the Daytona's, The DJ is a true classic as is Turn O Graphs new and old. For me that's about it. I might include the GMTIIc, but I have yet to see one in person.

27 October 2009, 01:24 AM	#28
K-R Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Indonesia Posts: 204	How many % lost when you buy new TT and sell it to watch shop? (When you need urgent fund). For example if you buy the TT GMT IIc for $10,000 brand new, how much will you lost when you sell it to watch shop? Any idea? Any advice?

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