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Hawkerpilot · 4 February 2018, 08:28 AM

Hi all,

Im new to the site and still trying to learn what I can. I have a question for those far more experienced than I.

I have a GMT 1675 that I got for a very, very good price. The issue is the watch was converted to a blue/gold submariner many years ago. I just got back from the jewelry store and confirmed the watch is authentic.

Though I'm sure the submariner parts are not authentic.

My question to you all is what would you do in my situation?

I would really like to get it back to what it originally was, a Circa 1973 GMT. Iv been looking around at finding original dials, bezel, and hands. I want to make sure I stay true to the year/model GMT as far as dial color and bracelet options.

I know it won't be cheap, but once completed will there be any value to the watch since the parts aren't the original?

Thanks so much, glad to be on the site!

R.O.L.E.X · 4 February 2018, 09:15 AM

You mean converted from a blue/gold sub?

Tools · 4 February 2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkerpilot

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I have a GMT 1675 that I got for a very, very good price. The issue is the watch was converted to a blue/gold submariner many years ago. I just got back from the jewelry store and confirmed the watch is authentic.

. . .

Sorry, it can't be "authentic" since no such animal exists.

Perhaps you have a watch what was made from a box of odd parts (Frankenwatch) ? Without knowing what parts came from what or go where, it would be impossible to make a suggestion on how to approach this.

mattedialdoc · 4 February 2018, 10:02 AM

Pictures please

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Hawkerpilot · 4 February 2018, 10:10 AM

hmm okay, thanks for the input. Ill post some pics and maybe you guys can give me some insight. Thanks!

Hawkerpilot · 4 February 2018, 10:21 AM

Tried to post pics but I need 10 posts before it will let me, I’m to new lol

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Hawkerpilot · 4 February 2018, 10:23 AM

When I removed the bracelet the ref # was 1675
The serial # 3298xxx

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Hawkerpilot · 4 February 2018, 10:29 AM

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donq · 4 February 2018, 03:43 PM

Does it have the correct movement? You could have it looking right with a dial, bezel insert and GMT hand if it does.

Thehitman · 4 February 2018, 06:28 PM

LOL!!! Why did the previous owner do this? Seems rather crazy.

Thehitman · 4 February 2018, 06:29 PM

The key is the movement! What’s inside making her tick right now.

Styles Bitchley · 5 February 2018, 04:49 AM

Super weird.

Hawkerpilot · 5 February 2018, 08:23 AM

It’s very strange, I have no idea why or when the previous owner did the change. I’ll take the back off and send you guys a pic of the movement, might give us some more insight

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harry in montreal · 5 February 2018, 10:10 AM

Very interesting! I guess if you have extra parts, why not?

However the small crown of the gmt is one of my least fav features when compared to a sub.

R.O.L.E.X · 5 February 2018, 12:41 PM

Think outside the box. It's extremely unlikely the creator did a conversion. They would of found cheap individual parts and decided to make a franken-watch to flip for profit.

Hawkerpilot · 5 February 2018, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.O.L.E.X

Think outside the box. It's extremely unlikely the creator did a conversion. They would of found cheap individual parts and decided to make a franken-watch to flip for profit.

you could absolutely be right. whatever the situation thought, i would love to get it back to a gmt if we can confirm it has a gmt movement. if it doesn't have a gmt moment ill start thinking of plan B!

Thanks for the comments everyone, please keep them coming with any opinions, insight or input!

Tools · 5 February 2018, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkerpilot

you could absolutely be right. whatever the situation thought, i would love to get it back to a gmt if we can confirm it has a gmt movement. if it doesn't have a gmt moment ill start thinking of plan B!

Thanks for the comments everyone, please keep them coming with any opinions, insight or input!

GMT movements have more hands and larger posts, which require a bigger hole in the dial, so it's unlikely that there is a GMT movement inside. The photos aren't very good, but the dial appears sketchy too...... the case seems to be machined for much, much later SEL's, and those end links.

Perhaps better detail and a good look at that movement may help with this puzzle.

datejust24 · 5 February 2018, 03:19 PM

Hmm...well I can honestly say I’ve never seen anything quite like this...just doesn’t make sense to do such a thing...surely not for a monetary gain or not of any significance at least...I am interested to see what caliber movement is inside though..

onthedial · 6 February 2018, 10:33 AM

@Hawkerpilot
I agree with Larry...the dial looks suspect. Further, the watch (and whole situation) is so problematic that it's nearly impossible to give any cogent advice without inspecting the timepiece very, very thoroughly, in-hand. You might try this: take an in-state trip to Arlington and set up a consultation with Bob Ridley at Watchmakers Intl. Bob will be able to provide you with a clear set of options, and their price-points.
Keep us posted!
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SpyShopsNYC · 6 February 2018, 10:45 AM

I got a 2001 stainless submariner 16610 for $3700 last year. The deal was so good I went for it, I knew I can change the bezel from black to green like the 50 anniversary green 16610LV. I didn’t want to spend 8k for the same watch. I kept my black insert and got a original green insert for $140 installed. This is ok but changing the watch from GMT to submariner is not kosher.

Here it is......

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Andad · 6 February 2018, 10:51 AM

But you can't really show that pix and mention 16610LV in the same post can you?

It is not the 'same watch'.

An original 16610LV bezel installed for $140?

Yeah, that all sounds 'kosher'?

yessir69 · 6 February 2018, 01:23 PM

What in the name of all that's holy is going on here???

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strafer_kid · 6 February 2018, 11:48 PM

Definitely all a bit bizarre...

HERITAGE82 · 7 February 2018, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

But you can't really show that pix and mention 16610LV in the same post can you?

It is not the 'same watch'.

An original 16610LV bezel installed for $140?

Yeah, that all sounds 'kosher'?

He didn't say it was an 16610LV did he? Also, other than the dial and hands the 16610 and the 16610lv are the same exact watch.

Finally a LV insert can definitely be found for that price if you look around long enough so yes his watch is pretty "KOSHER"

Hawkerpilot · 10 March 2018, 02:50 PM

Hey guys! Update on the watch, I sent it off to the watchmaker. He did indeed confirm it is a 1675 along with the GMT movement. The submariner parts are not genuine. the movement is indeed a GMT movement, but missing a few gears(GMT hand) and in desperate need of a service. Currently in the process of searching for the Dial, Hands and Bezel. He will then take everything apart and hopefully put it all back together as a pepsi 1675.

Obviously ill be needing to get a new bracelet, would an oyster bracelet be acceptable or did original 1675's only come with jubilee?

donq · 11 March 2018, 04:19 PM

It was available both ways. Please post pics when it’s done!

henrylee · 11 March 2018, 04:31 PM

Interested in seeing the after photos

Thuilln · 12 March 2018, 09:19 AM

Some people have strange hobbies..

Chronokid · 13 March 2018, 12:50 AM

About 15 years ago, I purchased a 1971 GMT that someone had converted to a "Yacht-Master" (in fact I still have the dial which I don't believe is genuine). The movement was fine. After sourcing the correct bezel insert, dial and hands, I finally had a very nice Pepsi GMT.

4 February 2018, 08:28 AM	#1
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	GMT 1675 converted to submariner Hi all, Im new to the site and still trying to learn what I can. I have a question for those far more experienced than I. I have a GMT 1675 that I got for a very, very good price. The issue is the watch was converted to a blue/gold submariner many years ago. I just got back from the jewelry store and confirmed the watch is authentic. Though I'm sure the submariner parts are not authentic. My question to you all is what would you do in my situation? I would really like to get it back to what it originally was, a Circa 1973 GMT. Iv been looking around at finding original dials, bezel, and hands. I want to make sure I stay true to the year/model GMT as far as dial color and bracelet options. I know it won't be cheap, but once completed will there be any value to the watch since the parts aren't the original? Thanks so much, glad to be on the site!

4 February 2018, 10:21 AM	#6
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	Tried to post pics but I need 10 posts before it will let me, I’m to new lol Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward" Rolex GMT 1675 Tudor Black Bay 79220B Panerai Pam 111 Rolex Datejust 16013 Breitling Superocean Heritage Longines Avigation Special Series Seiko SKX 009

4 February 2018, 10:23 AM	#7
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	GMT 1675 converted to submariner When I removed the bracelet the ref # was 1675 The serial # 3298xxx Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward" Rolex GMT 1675 Tudor Black Bay 79220B Panerai Pam 111 Rolex Datejust 16013 Breitling Superocean Heritage Longines Avigation Special Series Seiko SKX 009

4 February 2018, 10:29 AM	#8
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward" Rolex GMT 1675 Tudor Black Bay 79220B Panerai Pam 111 Rolex Datejust 16013 Breitling Superocean Heritage Longines Avigation Special Series Seiko SKX 009

4 February 2018, 10:30 AM	#9
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward" Rolex GMT 1675 Tudor Black Bay 79220B Panerai Pam 111 Rolex Datejust 16013 Breitling Superocean Heritage Longines Avigation Special Series Seiko SKX 009

4 February 2018, 09:15 AM	#2
R.O.L.E.X "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: N/A Posts: 213	You mean converted from a blue/gold sub?

4 February 2018, 10:02 AM	#4
mattedialdoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,002	Pictures please Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

4 February 2018, 10:10 AM	#5
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	hmm okay, thanks for the input. Ill post some pics and maybe you guys can give me some insight. Thanks!

4 February 2018, 03:43 PM	#10
donq "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas tx Watch: 16610,1675,16030 Posts: 1,136	Does it have the correct movement? You could have it looking right with a dial, bezel insert and GMT hand if it does.

4 February 2018, 06:28 PM	#11
Thehitman "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: FL USA Posts: 45	LOL!!! Why did the previous owner do this? Seems rather crazy.

4 February 2018, 06:29 PM	#12
Thehitman "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: FL USA Posts: 45	The key is the movement! What’s inside making her tick right now.

5 February 2018, 04:49 AM	#13
Styles Bitchley "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Canada Watch: 1680 Posts: 1,398	Super weird.

5 February 2018, 08:23 AM	#14
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	It’s very strange, I have no idea why or when the previous owner did the change. I’ll take the back off and send you guys a pic of the movement, might give us some more insight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward" Rolex GMT 1675 Tudor Black Bay 79220B Panerai Pam 111 Rolex Datejust 16013 Breitling Superocean Heritage Longines Avigation Special Series Seiko SKX 009

5 February 2018, 10:10 AM	#15
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Very interesting! I guess if you have extra parts, why not? However the small crown of the gmt is one of my least fav features when compared to a sub.

5 February 2018, 12:41 PM	#16
R.O.L.E.X "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: N/A Posts: 213	Think outside the box. It's extremely unlikely the creator did a conversion. They would of found cheap individual parts and decided to make a franken-watch to flip for profit.

5 February 2018, 03:19 PM	#19
datejust24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Watch: Rolexssss Posts: 3,504	Hmm...well I can honestly say I’ve never seen anything quite like this...just doesn’t make sense to do such a thing...surely not for a monetary gain or not of any significance at least...I am interested to see what caliber movement is inside though..

6 February 2018, 10:33 AM	#20
onthedial "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Los Angeles Watch: IG @onthedial Posts: 587	@Hawkerpilot I agree with Larry...the dial looks suspect. Further, the watch (and whole situation) is so problematic that it's nearly impossible to give any cogent advice without inspecting the timepiece very, very thoroughly, in-hand. You might try this: take an in-state trip to Arlington and set up a consultation with Bob Ridley at Watchmakers Intl. Bob will be able to provide you with a clear set of options, and their price-points. Keep us posted! ___________ Instagram: @onthedial

6 February 2018, 10:45 AM	#21
SpyShopsNYC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: New York Posts: 152	I got a 2001 stainless submariner 16610 for $3700 last year. The deal was so good I went for it, I knew I can change the bezel from black to green like the 50 anniversary green 16610LV. I didn’t want to spend 8k for the same watch. I kept my black insert and got a original green insert for $140 installed. This is ok but changing the watch from GMT to submariner is not kosher. Here it is...... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

6 February 2018, 10:51 AM	#22
Andad 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,788	But you can't really show that pix and mention 16610LV in the same post can you? It is not the 'same watch'. An original 16610LV bezel installed for $140? Yeah, that all sounds 'kosher'? __________________ E

6 February 2018, 01:23 PM	#23
yessir69 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 3,313	What in the name of all that's holy is going on here??? Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

6 February 2018, 11:48 PM	#24
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,149	Definitely all a bit bizarre...

10 March 2018, 02:50 PM	#26
Hawkerpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 113	Hey guys! Update on the watch, I sent it off to the watchmaker. He did indeed confirm it is a 1675 along with the GMT movement. The submariner parts are not genuine. the movement is indeed a GMT movement, but missing a few gears(GMT hand) and in desperate need of a service. Currently in the process of searching for the Dial, Hands and Bezel. He will then take everything apart and hopefully put it all back together as a pepsi 1675. Obviously ill be needing to get a new bracelet, would an oyster bracelet be acceptable or did original 1675's only come with jubilee?

11 March 2018, 04:19 PM	#27
donq "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas tx Watch: 16610,1675,16030 Posts: 1,136	It was available both ways. Please post pics when it’s done!

11 March 2018, 04:31 PM	#28
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,226	Interested in seeing the after photos __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

12 March 2018, 09:19 AM	#29
Thuilln "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Nick Location: YUL Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,936	Some people have strange hobbies.. __________________ Nick _________________________________________ 14060M - 114200 - 114270 - 214270 - 16710BLRO - 16570 - 3570.50 - Cartier Tank Solo - Cartier Tank Française ‘Yearling’ - CWC Navy Diver

13 March 2018, 12:50 AM	#30
Chronokid 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Illinois Watch: One I'm wearing! Posts: 280	About 15 years ago, I purchased a 1971 GMT that someone had converted to a "Yacht-Master" (in fact I still have the dial which I don't believe is genuine). The movement was fine. After sourcing the correct bezel insert, dial and hands, I finally had a very nice Pepsi GMT.

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