Boeing lawyers argue no pain and suffering…..

[Blansky]

Lawyers for Boeing are arguing that in the 737 Max plane crashes you can’t claim “pain and suffering” because you would have died instantly.

Their point is during the out of control decent for 6 minutespeople would have been hopeful and in no emotional pain as the plane plummeted nose first towards the ground, which would undoubtedly kill them and their family members.

“While passengers undoubtedly perceived the flight as scary, humans have a tendency to hold onto hope and not expect the worst” says Jonathan French, an expert witness for Boeing.

Wow. Just goes to show you can try to sell people anything.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Lawyers for Boeing are arguing that in the 737 Max plane crashes you can’t claim “pain and suffering” because you would have died instantly.

Their point is during the out of control decent for 6 minutespeople would have been hopeful and in no emotional pain as the plane plummeted nose first towards the ground, which would undoubtedly kill them and their family members.

“While passengers undoubtedly perceived the flight as scary, humans have a tendency to hold onto hope and not expect the worst” says Jonathan French, an expert witness for Boeing.

Wow. Just goes to show you can try to sell people anything.

What about the pain and suffering of their loved ones that weren’t on the plane?

Disclaimer- I have a special disliking for lawsuits and most people that initiate them and the lawyers that beat the bushes to try to sue for anything.


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[Maleg]

It’s their job to defend Boeing and minimize the damages. In context of what we know about the Max, that’s a pretty tough slog. They might be able to whittle off a few million with this argument.

[minute_man]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Lawyers for Boeing are arguing that in the 737 Max plane crashes you can’t claim “pain and suffering” because you would have died instantly.

Their point is during the out of control decent for 6 minutespeople would have been hopeful and in no emotional pain as the plane plummeted nose first towards the ground, which would undoubtedly kill them and their family members.

“While passengers undoubtedly perceived the flight as scary, humans have a tendency to hold onto hope and not expect the worst” says Jonathan French, an expert witness for Boeing.

Wow. Just goes to show you can try to sell people anything.

Easy for one to say when not in their shoes. Besides, we can't have their testimony anyway He should try to remember his words when his time comes though

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by MrGoat

What about the pain and suffering of their loved ones that weren’t on the plane?

Disclaimer- I have a special disliking for lawsuits and most people that initiate them and the lawyers that beat the bushes to try to sue for anything.

I tend to agree to some extent, but it’s now the only way to, so called “punish” companies for wrongdoing. Although in most cases it just a drop in the bucket on their earnings/profits.

I remember back when GM would not put a bladder inside their gas tanks that were exploding on impact in their pickup trucks because they found that it was more expensive to do that, than to pay out the lawsuits from people being burned to death.

[HAPConst]

Isn’t there an automated payout schedule for plane crash victims? Maybe not automated, but I read somewhere that if you die in a plane crash, the deceased is insured to a certain extent. Granted a lawsuit would yield more, but they are already getting paid.

The loss of a loved one is not worth any amount of money. I don’t mean to slight the dead or their families.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by HAPConst

Isn’t there an automated payout schedule for plane crash victims? Maybe not automated, but I read somewhere that if you die in a plane crash, the deceased is insured to a certain extent. Granted a lawsuit would yield more, but they are already getting paid.
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I imagine a lot depends on “fault”.

If a plane goes down due to lightning or birds etc, it’s one thing, but in this case it was more a faulty plane it’s going to be a different scenario.

Also automatic payouts vs class action lawsuits.

[enjoythemusic]

Can we seatbelt the lawyer(s) into an electric chair for six minutes and see how they feel about impending death?

Just joking of course, they might survive it if the amperage is carefully controlled.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Can we seatbelt the lawyer(s) into an electric chair for six minutes and see how they feel about impending death?

Just joking of course, they might survive it if the amperage is carefully controlled.

You can’t kill the undead.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Maleg

You can’t kill the undead.

Yup.

Everyone hates lawyers, til they need one.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by maleg

you can’t kill the undead.

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[77T]

Advocacy for the right to recover damages is fundamental. As is the right to defend and to negotiate a just outcome.

So there’s that…

But agree the Boeing position has poor optics.


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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Yup.

Everyone hates lawyers, til they need one.

Have you ever wondered why NYC has all the lawyers and New Jersey has all the hazardous waste dumps?

New Jersey had first choice.

I worked with lawyers half my career. Sometimes they are not in an enviable position, but they remain advocates even when the client is the boogey man.

[Andad]

Patiently waiting for Steve’s comments.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Andad

Patiently waiting for Steve’s comments.

Creating problems where none exist again Eddie?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Maleg

Creating problems where none exist again Eddie?

Absolutely.


One of many lawyers on TRF.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Andad

Absolutely.

+1 for consistency.

[GB-man]

I hope they drag Boeing and their sh** plane. Just because it’s the attorneys job doesn’t mean I can’t say they are useless pieces of sh** for what they put forth.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Maleg

Have you ever wondered why NYC has all the lawyers and New Jersey has all the hazardous waste dumps?

New Jersey had first choice.

I worked with lawyers half my career. Sometimes they are not in an enviable position, but they remain advocates even when the client is the boogey man.

Yeah, my problem with them is when they gang up on the little guy.

“You spent all this money and time on a great education, and you end up deciding your career choice is making rich people richer.”

[Wcdhtwn]

They are obliged to make their best defense. There is no requirement that it be a good defense.

I was on a plane and we hit bad turbulence on landing approach. You get bumps, sometimes, but typically feel it’s OK, the pilot has control. Not this time. The planes was making huge swings left, right, up and down, and after maybe 15 seconds of this I started to think the pilot has no control of the plane and will not get it back. That was terrifying. And I may have been hoping for the best but expecting the worst. People plunging to their death in a plane know full well what’s going on, based on my experience.

Obviously the pilot of my plane regained control, as I’m typing this. It still strikes me that no mention of this was made after we landed, or after it was over. Whole crew just acted like it didn’t happen and every landing approach goes just like that.

If that’s all Boeing has to offer in defense, they are going to lose. And going to lose huge.

[Kowaco]

Everyone hates lawyers until you need one


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[minute_man]

Boeing went into far too many assumptions when designing the 737 Max as to how their newly introduced software would affect safety. They further assumed how flight crews would react, even went on to assume further that it shouldn't hurt if it wasn't included in literature. Well, we all know how that worked out.
That's why this defense argument is beyond cynical. Very poor choice on the attorneys' part regardless of outcome.

[Moondoggy]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Yup.

Everyone hates lawyers, til they need one.

Two places I stay away from in life so far successfully is hospitals and courts.

[BLACKHORSE 6]

Originally Posted by Kowaco

Everyone hates lawyers until you need one


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This

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Kowaco

Everyone hates lawyers until you need one

Lawyers are like nuclear warheads, everyone has 'em but the moment someone uses them....

Yet agree they cen be useful.

[Moondoggy]

Whats the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?

One is a filthy, slimy, scum-sucking bottom-dweller and the other is a fish

[Cru Jones]

Should there be a difference in payment between a 6-minute ride to doom and an explosion mid-flight? If so, from a compensation perspective, how much is a sh@tty six-minute span “worth”?

[Moondoggy]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Should there be a difference in payment between a 6-minute ride to doom and an explosion mid-flight? If so, from a compensation perspective, how much is a sh@tty six-minute span “worth”?

We as humans are not infallible.

[INC]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Their point is during the out of control decent for 6 minutespeople would have been hopeful and in no emotional pain as the plane plummeted nose first towards the ground, which would undoubtedly kill them and their family members.

As a prosecutor, I would simply ask them to prove these statement based on the personal testimony of those involved in the accidents. If they will be able to do this, then it will be all right. If not, then I would simply prosecute these... "living creatures" for telling lies about people who can't defend themselves because they died due to their client's disgusting profiteering.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Should there be a difference in payment between a 6-minute ride to doom and an explosion mid-flight? If so, from a compensation perspective, how much is a sh@tty six-minute span “worth”?

Isn’t that what the Actuary is for?