Is this GMT MASTER II Real or Fake?

[Scarlettpr]

Hi guys,

I found a GMT Master II TT on SwissWatchExpo that I'm thinking of buying, and I was hoping one of you Vets could help me judge it for authenticity. Thanks in advance. The link is http://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watche...-ii-16713-5416.

Scarlett

Stock Number: 6037
Brand: Rolex
Model Name: Rolex GMT Master II Mens 18k Yellow Gold Steel Watch 16713
Model Number: 16713
Year: 1997
Serial Number: S735487
Gender: Mens
Movement: Original Rolex officially certified chronometer self-winding movement.
Jewels: 31
Caliber: 3185
Case: Original Rolex stainless steel case 40.0 mm in diameter. Rolex logo on a crown.
Bezel: Original Rolex 18k yellow gold bidirectional rotating bezel with a special 24-hour black bezel insert.
Crystal: Original Rolex scratch resistant sapphire crystal.
Dial: Original Rolex black dial with white luminescent hour markers and Mercedes hands. Date window at 3 o'clock aperture.
Bracelet: Original Rolex stainless steel & 18k yellow gold oyster bracelet with flip lock clasp. Fits 7 3/4" wrist.
Condition: Excellent condition
Engravings: None
Box & Papers: Rolex box and papers
Working Condition: 100% authentic
Authenticity: Timed to precision on Witschi watch expert timing machine. Running strong and keeping the accurate time.
Warranty: The watch is covered by swiss watch expo one year warranty on anything but abuse
Pictures: All the photos are of the actual watch for sale

[Scarlettpr]

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[TimeToGo]

Welcome to the Forum!

Looks like it is already sold.

Looks good to me. I would have preferred to see pics of the lugs but based on the ones available, appears to be a very fine example.

[Scarlettpr]

Thanks TimeToGo. I already clicked the Buy it now option on Ebay but have until Tuesday to transfer funds. Swiss Watch expo seems legit. Here are a few more photos. One concern: isn't the bracelet a Submariner bracelet? I thought the GMT clasp was shorter? Could it be aftermarket? Also, The price is 6200$. Is that fair? Thanks again.

[NKflyer]

Originally Posted by Scarlettpr

One concern: isn't the bracelet a Submariner bracelet? I thought the GMT clasp was shorter? Could it be aftermarket?

It is indeed a Submariner bracelet. However, not a lot of people realize that the Sub bracelet was an (extra cost) option on other sport models besides the Sub, including the GMT.

The watch you are considering was originally equipped with a Sub bracelet as is evidenced by the last four digits on the warranty paper "9315" which would be short for 93153.

Bracelet would have had 12 links as original so it looks like it is short 1 link. Will fit 7.25" wrist with the number of links shown. Hope this helps!

[Scarlettpr]

Thanks so much. That was a big help.

[Scarlettpr]

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[TimeToGo]

An "S" serial would place year of production at around 1993-94. The original sale date is 1997. You are looking at about a 10 year old watch that most likely has not been serviced. Should a service be needed in the near future, you are looking at $300-500.

The watch appears in great shape but the pictures are not the greatest, it gives the gold a yellow look (it happens with some cameras).

The bracelet is fine. The watch appears to have been worn very little, hardly any scuff marks near the reference numbers.

In reference to the price, the TT GMTs and Subs are in the range of $5-6K. It may be fine if it is in exceptional condition, but the price is on the upper band...

[Scarlettpr]

It seems like it's in exceptional condition given its age, so I guess the price is fine. I'll inquire about the last time it was serviced. Swisswatchexpo's store is in Atlanta, and I know they service them--maybe they serviced it, but who knows. Thanks again for your input.

[2th Dr]

If you're going to buy from them, you'd better make sure the watch comes with all the links. Speaking from (bad) experience.

[Scarlettpr]

Thanks for posting. I did notice it was short one link. I have a small wrist, thankfully.

[2th Dr]

Originally Posted by Scarlettpr

Thanks for posting. I did notice it was short one link. I have a small wrist, thankfully.

You need to take that into consideration as you'd be paying a premium for a watch missing a link. If you'll notice, most, if not all their watches are missing a link.
I personally would never do business with them again.

[Lgear080]

$6200 is way over market on this piece.

I just bought a similar set below $4k.

Watch is not desirable to mass market.

[ChristopherWilliam]

FWIW, they are top notch. Just got my Speedy Pro from them on my last trip to Atl. The wife especially is super nice. They have a nice little inventory.