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mpliskin · 12 March 2022, 09:28 AM

Does this movement have a stop seconds feature?
Thanks,
Michael

pereztroika · 12 March 2022, 01:04 PM

The original ValFleurier movement was born with hacking seconds but the latest Panerai version doesn't have the feature anymore from what I heard.

Cheers
Jose

watchmavan · 12 March 2022, 05:28 PM

P.900 does have hacking second hand. I have a 2021 model Due.

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azcii · 12 March 2022, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpliskin

Does this movement have a stop seconds feature?
Thanks,
Michael

The P.900 does have hacking. My PAM683 from 2021-11 had it.

pereztroika · 12 March 2022, 07:20 PM

No hacking here (1068 Blue Notte):

https://youtu.be/rkEnNRAhTxA?t=150

Cheers
Jose

azcii · 12 March 2022, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pereztroika

No hacking here (1068 Blue Notte):

https://youtu.be/rkEnNRAhTxA?t=150

Cheers
Jose

Damn, this is the first P.900 I see without hacking.

I know that some of their other "workhorses" like P.3000 and P.5000 never had hacking, but it now seems like they're removing it from all the movements now.

I wonder when they started removing it because I tried out their new Quaranta-series at my local AD and they have hacking

Edit: no hacking here at 1:20 either:
https://youtu.be/VRTZrWhvsAo

They're probably phasing out the old P.900 with hacking then

mpliskin · 12 March 2022, 11:45 PM

I just got the 1223 submersible and it has no hacking feature.

Tseg · 12 October 2023, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azcii

Damn, this is the first P.900 I see without hacking.

I know that some of their other "workhorses" like P.3000 and P.5000 never had hacking, but it now seems like they're removing it from all the movements now.

My P.5002 (8 day with power reserve on dial) from 2018, purchased in 2020, hacks.

rmwill · 2 April 2022, 12:14 AM

Hi Jose,

Love your content. Thinking about getting a P.5000 based watch. 2021 model. Thoughts on the movement? Price on watch is very good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pereztroika

No hacking here (1068 Blue Notte):

https://youtu.be/rkEnNRAhTxA?t=150

Cheers
Jose

pereztroika · 1 April 2022, 07:26 PM

Just in, the new P.900 without hacking seconds and completely undecorated.

Cheers
Jose

Noxa · 4 June 2022, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pereztroika

Just in, the new P.900 without hacking seconds and completely undecorated.

Cheers
Jose

That really is atrocious, It’s just totally unacceptable, and that’s coming from a huge Panerai fan not a Rolex fan boy or hater. I’ve waited for a 44mm Submersible for a long time and to see this is so disheartening. Having a 47mm PAM 425 I adore I simply don’t want or need another huge 47mm so looks like my Submersible dream is over.

Al1969 · 4 June 2022, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pereztroika

Just in, the new P.900 without hacking seconds and completely undecorated.

Cheers
Jose

Where are the 23 jewels?

yachty 1 · 1 April 2022, 09:53 PM

I guess after the brooklyn bridge debacle Panerai would steer clear of undecorated movements. The question is are other brands doing the same thing at this price point?

rambo99 · 1 April 2022, 11:11 PM

come on panerai. even replicas decorate their movements nowadays!

roger.bolton · 2 April 2022, 04:48 AM

It never ends, WFT is Panerai doing

Wahlberg · 2 April 2022, 05:37 AM

Panerai truly is a joke. They are ripping you off.

The article Perez has written says enough.

emtee · 2 April 2022, 05:38 AM

That can’t be real. Even the engraving is horrendous.

pereztroika · 1 May 2022, 10:30 PM

New PAM01226 Submersible "QuarantaQuattro" 44 mm sold in Singapore: No hacking.

Cheers
Jose

lowmandfl · 23 May 2022, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pereztroika

New PAM01226 Submersible "QuarantaQuattro" 44 mm sold in Singapore: No hacking.

Cheers
Jose

Jose your content is awesome. Appreciate all the insight!

Trenden · 8 May 2022, 02:57 AM

My favorite watch is a PAM 111 that I purchased 12 years ago. Still looks fantastic. No hacking seconds. I never missed it. I also have a Rolex GMT Batman. Have you seen that movement? Yikes! Zero decoration.

roger.bolton · 8 May 2022, 03:27 AM

This is the whole problem. No one knows what's what because Panerai are not been transparent.

itsjknight · 8 May 2022, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roger.bolton

This is the whole problem. No one knows what's what because Panerai are not been transparent.

I was interested in the 914 & 915 until they switched to the steel back. Now I know why, it's to hide the ugly undecorated movement!

itsjknight · 23 May 2022, 12:08 AM

Maybe someone at Panerai will read these threads and make a course correction.

htc8p · 22 May 2022, 04:18 PM

That is why i wouldnt buy new. Total disconnect between value and price.

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rajurama · 4 June 2022, 01:29 AM

I heard they have quietly resumed hacking in certain models but nothing concrete. We shal soon find out.

rlj676 · 4 June 2022, 03:08 AM

My 1/1/22 purchased 683 hacks.

samsmart · 11 October 2023, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlj676

My 1/1/22 purchased 683 hacks.

682 purchased in Jan 2022 hacks

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yachty 1 · 4 June 2022, 11:43 AM

I was ready and excited for a 44mm submersible but I reconsidered after seeing this. I am sorry this is unacceptable for a 10 thousand dollar watch. I also have a 1662 which they removed the hacking feature which I accepted but then finding out they didn't decorate the movement like my beautiful 1320 makes me sick to my stomach esp for a 15k watch. Sorry Panerai you have had so many chances to be great.

Kevin of Larchmont · 5 June 2022, 12:03 PM

What I love about Panerai non-hacking movements in that it’s harder to tell what mediocre timekeepers they are.

PAM: 111, 510, 564

Kevin of Larchmont · 5 June 2022, 12:03 PM

What I love about Panerai non-hacking movements in that it’s harder to tell what mediocre timekeepers they are.

PAM: 111, 510, 564

12 March 2022, 09:28 AM	#1
mpliskin 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 70	P.900 Movement Does this movement have a stop seconds feature? Thanks, Michael

12 March 2022, 01:04 PM	#2
pereztroika "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Vanguard Posts: 114	The original ValFleurier movement was born with hacking seconds but the latest Panerai version doesn't have the feature anymore from what I heard. Cheers Jose __________________ Author of Perezcope – Iconic timepieces under the loupe Instagram: @perezcope

12 March 2022, 05:28 PM	#3
watchmavan Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Michael Location: Melbourne, Aust Watch: Polar 16570 Posts: 1,185	P.900 Movement P.900 does have hacking second hand. I have a 2021 model Due. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

12 March 2022, 07:20 PM	#5
pereztroika "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Vanguard Posts: 114	No hacking here (1068 Blue Notte): https://youtu.be/rkEnNRAhTxA?t=150 Cheers Jose __________________ Author of Perezcope – Iconic timepieces under the loupe Instagram: @perezcope

12 March 2022, 11:45 PM	#7
mpliskin 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 70	Hacking I just got the 1223 submersible and it has no hacking feature.

1 April 2022, 07:26 PM	#10
pereztroika "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Vanguard Posts: 114	Just in, the new P.900 without hacking seconds and completely undecorated. Cheers Jose __________________ Author of Perezcope – Iconic timepieces under the loupe Instagram: @perezcope

1 April 2022, 09:53 PM	#13
yachty 1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ny Watch: yacht master Posts: 948	I guess after the brooklyn bridge debacle Panerai would steer clear of undecorated movements. The question is are other brands doing the same thing at this price point?

1 April 2022, 11:11 PM	#14
rambo99 Banned Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tokyo Watch: SD43,PAM1616,Hulk Posts: 3,567	come on panerai. even replicas decorate their movements nowadays!

2 April 2022, 04:48 AM	#15
roger.bolton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: USA Posts: 135	It never ends, WFT is Panerai doing

2 April 2022, 05:37 AM	#16
Wahlberg "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Paris Posts: 3,603	Panerai truly is a joke. They are ripping you off. The article Perez has written says enough.

2 April 2022, 05:38 AM	#17
emtee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Real Name: Matt Location: UK Posts: 1,256	That can’t be real. Even the engraving is horrendous.

1 May 2022, 10:30 PM	#18
pereztroika "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Vanguard Posts: 114	New PAM01226 Submersible "QuarantaQuattro" 44 mm sold in Singapore: No hacking. Cheers Jose __________________ Author of Perezcope – Iconic timepieces under the loupe Instagram: @perezcope

8 May 2022, 02:57 AM	#20
Trenden "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 17	My favorite watch is a PAM 111 that I purchased 12 years ago. Still looks fantastic. No hacking seconds. I never missed it. I also have a Rolex GMT Batman. Have you seen that movement? Yikes! Zero decoration.

8 May 2022, 03:27 AM	#21
roger.bolton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: USA Posts: 135	This is the whole problem. No one knows what's what because Panerai are not been transparent.

23 May 2022, 12:08 AM	#23
itsjknight "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 361	Maybe someone at Panerai will read these threads and make a course correction.

22 May 2022, 04:18 PM	#24
htc8p "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Bert Location: philippines Watch: 116710 ln Posts: 3,485	That is why i wouldnt buy new. Total disconnect between value and price. Sent from my SM-A920F using Tapatalk

4 June 2022, 01:29 AM	#25
rajurama "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: Wakanda Watch: amacallit Posts: 2,116	I heard they have quietly resumed hacking in certain models but nothing concrete. We shal soon find out. __________________ रोलेक्स

4 June 2022, 03:08 AM	#26
rlj676 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: detroit Posts: 549	My 1/1/22 purchased 683 hacks.

4 June 2022, 11:43 AM	#28
yachty 1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ny Watch: yacht master Posts: 948	I was ready and excited for a 44mm submersible but I reconsidered after seeing this. I am sorry this is unacceptable for a 10 thousand dollar watch. I also have a 1662 which they removed the hacking feature which I accepted but then finding out they didn't decorate the movement like my beautiful 1320 makes me sick to my stomach esp for a 15k watch. Sorry Panerai you have had so many chances to be great.

5 June 2022, 12:03 PM	#29
Kevin of Larchmont 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: The Ice House Watch: Ingersoll Mickey Posts: 3,533	What I love about Panerai non-hacking movements in that it’s harder to tell what mediocre timekeepers they are. PAM: 111, 510, 564

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