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marcinthemiddle · 21 April 2011, 10:19 PM

Good day-
I had a quick question, and hope that someone may be able to help me.
the little 'cover' housing the diver's extension on my Sub clasp used to lie flat and smooth against the bracelet. Now, for one reason or another it does not. Is there anyway I can fix this myself, or do I have to bring it to a watchmaker? I usually do my own adjustments/ microadjustments- and would rather not have. Someone mucking about with my Sub.

Any and all input is welcome!

marcinthemiddle · 22 April 2011, 09:11 AM

Anyone?

sleddog · 22 April 2011, 09:16 AM

I'm not sure by what you mean "cover" Marc....?

Are you talking about the clasp itself??

marcinthemiddle · 22 April 2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sleddog

I'm not sure by what you mean "cover" Marc....?

Are you talking about the clasp itself??

Yes...OMG- sorry. yes, the clasp itself. The darn thing won't lie flat on the bracelet the way it used to. Help me!

cyglee · 22 April 2011, 09:26 AM

Diver's extension fully seated inside the clasp? Release, check for gunk, clean and reseat? Did some recent trauma occur to the bracelet?

sleddog · 22 April 2011, 09:28 AM

There is usually a small gap between the back end of the clasp and the bracelet to start with...
If this is more than usual, it may be your folding clasp blades have been bent slightly?!?! Is it harder to close the clasp, or does it want to pop open after closing now??
If it does, the folding blades are the issue...

Only other thing I can think of is, maybe your extension link isn't seated into the back of the clasp correctly!?!?!

marcinthemiddle · 22 April 2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cyglee

Diver's extension fully seated inside the clasp? Release, check for gunk, clean and reseat? Did some recent trauma occur to the bracelet?

It WAS lying nice and flat against the case till I walked into a glass door at work (don't ask)...I think that would be the "trauma"...

I'll take it apart, check for gunk- and make sure everything is situated as it should be...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleddog

There is usually a small gap between the back end of the clasp and the bracelet to start with...
If this is more than usual, it may be your folding clasp blade have been bent slightly?!?! Is it harder to close the clasp, or does it want to pop open after closing now??
If it does, the folding blades are the issue...

Only other thing I can think of is, maybe your extension link isn't seated into the back of the clasp correctly!?!?!

I'm going to take both of your advice and check the diver's extension, also make sure it's not a "bent blade" issue. I know it's just a small detail, but it bugs the bejeezus out of me.
Thank you both for yout input!

sleddog · 22 April 2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

It WAS lying nice and flat against the case till i walked into a glass dor at work (don't ask)...I think that would be the "trauma"...

I'm going to take both of your advice and check the diver's extension, also make sure it's not a "bent blade" issue. I know it's just a small detail, but it bugs the bejeezus out of me.
Thank you both for yout input!

Did you leave a forehead imprint on the glass???

Don't you just hate it when that happens...Especially when it's witnessed by many!!

Let us know how it turns out!!

marcinthemiddle · 22 April 2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sleddog

Did you leave a forehead imprint on the glass???

Don't you just hate it when that happens...Especially when it's witnessed by many!!

Let us know how it turns out!!

Well...I left a forehead, cheek and forearm imprint on it before I broke it...

Luckily, I escaped with only a small cut on my jaw- nothing a bit of Neosporin and Band-Aid couldn't fix!

Yes- It was witnessed by many...including the one who closed said door against the policy that it remain open during business hours!

sleddog · 22 April 2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

Well...I left a forehead, cheek and forearm imprint on it before I broke it...

Luckily, I escaped with only a small cut on my jaw- nothing a bit of Neosporin and Band-Aid couldn't fix!

Yes- It was witnessed by many...including the one who closed said door against the policy that it remain open during business hours!

I'm only laughing on the inside Marc!!

As long as you're OK!

cyglee · 22 April 2011, 09:39 AM

Glass door??!! I hope nothing else has been "tweaked"! It would take a fair amount of force to bend a blade, especially as it is protected inside the clasp. Push that O-link, open the extension and check for stuff... great hiding place, clean and should snap and snap to fully seat. Take care!

Andad · 22 April 2011, 09:51 AM

Well Marc, in your first post you asked for help but didn't actually say that you had smashed it (and yourself) on a glass door only 'some reason or other'. Seems to me that you have caught the clasp on the side of the door and possibly twisted the wings.
IMO if you bend it all back to where it was before the incident then it will all fit together again.
If you were in South Oz I would come over an fix it for you.

Hope you both get well soon.

marcinthemiddle · 22 April 2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

Well Marc, in your first post you asked for help but didn't actually say that you had smashed it (and yourself) on a glass door only 'some reason or other'. Seems to me that you have caught the clasp on the side of the door and possibly twisted the wings.
IMO if you bend it all back to where it was before the incident then it will all fit together again.
If you were in South Oz I would come over an fix it for you.

Hope you both get well soon.

Thanks, Eddie!

The 'some reason or other' was due to the embarrassment of the whole door-incident.

Wish I were in South Oz...now I'm gonna take a train trip to NYC to get it looked at...

Andad · 22 April 2011, 10:19 AM

I understand Marc but if you go to the doc with a sore toe it helps if you tell the doc that a truck ran over it.

I am sure that it is just a simple adjustment.

You are not alone.
I smashed my 14060 on a 10mm sliding glass door last week. I was distracted and didn't even see it closing. Fortunately it is on a NATO and was under my jacket sleeve so no harm done but it could have been worse.

marcinthemiddle · 22 April 2011, 10:22 AM

Eddie! You just made me

at my mobile in public!

Now the people close by think I'm nutters.

marcinthemiddle · 24 April 2011, 11:15 PM

OK, here's the best I can get the clasp to lay 'flat' againt the bracelet. Before the "door incident" it used to lie much flatter...
Any suggestions?

subclasp.jpg

Any MORE help/advice is much appreciated!

kzm40 · 25 April 2011, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

OK, here's the best I can get the clasp to lay 'flat' againt the bracelet. Before the "door incident" it used to lie much flatter...
Any suggestions?

Attachment 201033

Any MORE help/advice is much appreciated!

Just unclipped my extension peice and closed the strap, and it closed just like yours... Re -seated the extension peice and it closed perfectly..

marcinthemiddle · 25 April 2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kzm40

Just unclipped my extension peice and closed the strap, and it closed just like yours... Re -seated the extension peice and it closed perfectly..

Cool, Thanks! Um...how excatly did you "reseat" it?

kzm40 · 25 April 2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

Cool, Thanks! Um...how excatly did you "reseat" it?

There's only one way... press the link with the O on the back to unseat.. you know you;ve done this because you can fully extend the braclet.

then to put it back clip the extension peice bake in it clips.. then align the braclet with the end of the clasp.. so its flush the frst and second link joint will be slightly raised.. and push it to clip down... any dealer or more experienced owner will take seconds to show you.. it really is very very easy..

marcinthemiddle · 25 April 2011, 06:43 AM

Thanks friend!
I've actually done that- several times in fact to.see what's going on with it-
I may head to Rolex or Wempe in NYC to have them.take a peek at it.
I know it's a small thing, but it's absolutely maddening.

cyglee · 25 April 2011, 07:47 AM

Marc, another question...have you done any bracelet adjustments after the "incident"?
Your photo shows the clasp hinge under a link. This will normally cause some movement, lifting of the clasp edge when on a curve (on wrist). If the hinge sits inbetween links, the clasp edge is more flush. The LV Sub is on the left, with the hinge between links, and more flush. The SD is on the right, with a hinge under a link, and slightly lifts the clasp.
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marcinthemiddle · 25 April 2011, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyglee

Marc, another question...have you done any bracelet adjustments after the "incident"?
Your photo shows the clasp hinge under a link. This will normally cause some movement, lifting of the clasp edge when on a curve (on wrist). If the hinge sits inbetween links, the clasp edge is more flush. The LV Sub is on the left, with the hinge between links, and more flush. The SD is on the right, with a hinge under a link, and slightly lifts the clasp.
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That did the trick!
Thanks a million, Gordon- and everyone else, too!

johnbeth · 25 April 2011, 01:10 PM

Hey Marc, be very careful of glass doors mate and thank your lucky stars no major cuts. I had a friend when I was I high school that ran through a glass door, it was not a pretty sight. Cuts and blood everywhere!

marcinthemiddle · 25 April 2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbeth

Hey Marc, be very careful of glass doors mate and thank your lucky stars no major cuts. I had a friend when I was I high school that ran through a glass door, it was not a pretty sight. Cuts and blood everywhere!

Good grief- I'm super thankful It wasn't worse!
I think I'm brining it into an RSC on Tuesday- I thought it got better, but after a couple of hours it is riding high again!

Thanks for the post, John!

johnbeth · 25 April 2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

Good grief- I'm super thankful It wasn't worse!
I think I'm brining it into an RSC on Tuesday- I thought it got better, but after a couple of hours it is riding high again!

Thanks for the post, John!

Marc, no worries, RSC will fix the watch and it will be back to normal in no time!

John

21 April 2011, 10:19 PM	#1
marcinthemiddle Vacated Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Marc Location: Connecticut Watch: PAM 111 'N' Posts: 2,558	16610- Sub (clasp) question... Good day- I had a quick question, and hope that someone may be able to help me. the little 'cover' housing the diver's extension on my Sub clasp used to lie flat and smooth against the bracelet. Now, for one reason or another it does not. Is there anyway I can fix this myself, or do I have to bring it to a watchmaker? I usually do my own adjustments/ microadjustments- and would rather not have. Someone mucking about with my Sub. Any and all input is welcome! __________________ NAWCC Member Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Executive Dorklehead

22 April 2011, 09:11 AM	#2
marcinthemiddle Vacated Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Marc Location: Connecticut Watch: PAM 111 'N' Posts: 2,558	Anyone? __________________ NAWCC Member Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Executive Dorklehead

22 April 2011, 09:16 AM	#3
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,930	I'm not sure by what you mean "cover" Marc....? Are you talking about the clasp itself?? __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

22 April 2011, 09:28 AM	#6
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,930	There is usually a small gap between the back end of the clasp and the bracelet to start with... If this is more than usual, it may be your folding clasp blades have been bent slightly?!?! Is it harder to close the clasp, or does it want to pop open after closing now?? If it does, the folding blades are the issue... Only other thing I can think of is, maybe your extension link isn't seated into the back of the clasp correctly!?!?! __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

22 April 2011, 09:51 AM	#12
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,474	Well Marc, in your first post you asked for help but didn't actually say that you had smashed it (and yourself) on a glass door only 'some reason or other'. Seems to me that you have caught the clasp on the side of the door and possibly twisted the wings. IMO if you bend it all back to where it was before the incident then it will all fit together again. If you were in South Oz I would come over an fix it for you. Hope you both get well soon. __________________ E

22 April 2011, 09:26 AM	#5
cyglee "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gordon Location: California Watch: Gmtll,LV,SD,GV,etc Posts: 627	Diver's extension fully seated inside the clasp? Release, check for gunk, clean and reseat? Did some recent trauma occur to the bracelet?

22 April 2011, 09:39 AM	#11
cyglee "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gordon Location: California Watch: Gmtll,LV,SD,GV,etc Posts: 627	Glass door??!! I hope nothing else has been "tweaked"! It would take a fair amount of force to bend a blade, especially as it is protected inside the clasp. Push that O-link, open the extension and check for stuff... great hiding place, clean and should snap and snap to fully seat. Take care!

22 April 2011, 10:19 AM	#14
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,474	I understand Marc but if you go to the doc with a sore toe it helps if you tell the doc that a truck ran over it. I am sure that it is just a simple adjustment. You are not alone. I smashed my 14060 on a 10mm sliding glass door last week. I was distracted and didn't even see it closing. Fortunately it is on a NATO and was under my jacket sleeve so no harm done but it could have been worse. __________________ E

22 April 2011, 10:22 AM	#15
marcinthemiddle Vacated Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Marc Location: Connecticut Watch: PAM 111 'N' Posts: 2,558	Eddie! You just made me at my mobile in public! Now the people close by think I'm nutters. __________________ NAWCC Member Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Executive Dorklehead

24 April 2011, 11:15 PM	#16
marcinthemiddle Vacated Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Marc Location: Connecticut Watch: PAM 111 'N' Posts: 2,558	Update OK, here's the best I can get the clasp to lay 'flat' againt the bracelet. Before the "door incident" it used to lie much flatter... Any suggestions? subclasp.jpg Any MORE help/advice is much appreciated! __________________ NAWCC Member Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Executive Dorklehead

25 April 2011, 06:43 AM	#20
marcinthemiddle Vacated Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Marc Location: Connecticut Watch: PAM 111 'N' Posts: 2,558	Thanks friend! I've actually done that- several times in fact to.see what's going on with it- I may head to Rolex or Wempe in NYC to have them.take a peek at it. I know it's a small thing, but it's absolutely maddening. __________________ NAWCC Member Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Executive Dorklehead

25 April 2011, 07:47 AM	#21
cyglee "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gordon Location: California Watch: Gmtll,LV,SD,GV,etc Posts: 627	Marc, another question...have you done any bracelet adjustments after the "incident"? Your photo shows the clasp hinge under a link. This will normally cause some movement, lifting of the clasp edge when on a curve (on wrist). If the hinge sits inbetween links, the clasp edge is more flush. The LV Sub is on the left, with the hinge between links, and more flush. The SD is on the right, with a hinge under a link, and slightly lifts the clasp. [IMG][/IMG]

25 April 2011, 01:10 PM	#23
johnbeth "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Depends on mood. Posts: 9,536	Hey Marc, be very careful of glass doors mate and thank your lucky stars no major cuts. I had a friend when I was I high school that ran through a glass door, it was not a pretty sight. Cuts and blood everywhere!

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