This is why i think the lv will go up

[SubKing]

this is why i think the old sub lv will only go up in value...

and i think this is a very good point..
lots of people around here have been saying that the sub lv has been made too long and there are too many of them out there to ever be worth anything major..

well, first off..
rolex sub lv is a model all by its self... very different to a regular submariner..

the life span of the sub lv "7 years" is not long at all...

look at the old vintage 1680 red subs... look how much those are going for now.. and the 1680 reds were not even an anniversary edition...

the old 16610 subs will go up a little one day and they will be going for what the 1680 white dials are going for... then there will be the vintage lv.. i feel these will get $$$ compared to the regular subs.. just like the red dial..

[sea-dweller]

I agree...

[Tools]

Well.......... that's what "speculation" is all about..

However...except for the dial/hands and the green insert..........it is identical to the black one and not really very different at all..

Perhaps though, in 20 or 30 years it may be worth more than the basic Sub if collectors decide that they want to favor this model.... but just because it's "green" rather than 'black' doesn't guarantee this.

There will be a spike in demand over the next year or so driving the price up (like the 16710), for the short term, then reality will settle in and most of those who paid the spike price will likely need another decade to recover their money.

Even today, those who paid premiums for the LV when it first came out still cannot get a positive return on their investment..

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by Tools

Well.......... that's what "speculation" is all about..

However...except for the dial/hands and the green insert..........it is identical to the black one and not really very different at all..

Perhaps though, in 20 or 30 years it may be worth more than the basic Sub if collectors decide that they want to favor this model.... but just because it's "green" rather than 'black' doesn't guarantee this.

There will be a spike in demand over the next year or so driving the price up (like the 16710), for the short term, then reality will settle in and most of those who paid the spike price will likely need another decade to recover their money.

Even today, those who paid premiums for the LV when it first came out still cannot get a positive return on their investment..

i see your points, but i say this... how much of a difference is there between a 1680 red sub and a 1680 white sub and look at the price difference...

now again, look at the difference between a 16610 and a 16610lv..
the differences are much more than just the submianer writing being in red... the bezel is green, it has a maxi dial with maxi hands... plus its a special edition and the 1680 red sub was never considered special in any way when it was released...

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Tools

Well.......... that's what "speculation" is all about..

However...except for the dial/hands and the green insert..........it is identical to the black one and not really very different at all..

Perhaps though, in 20 or 30 years it may be worth more than the basic Sub if collectors decide that they want to favor this model.... but just because it's "green" rather than 'black' doesn't guarantee this.

There will be a spike in demand over the next year or so driving the price up (like the 16710), for the short term, then reality will settle in and most of those who paid the spike price will likely need another decade to recover their money.

Even today, those who paid premiums for the LV when it first came out still cannot get a positive return on their investment..

agreed.

[jelliesR]

Have a hard time believing any relatively popular contemporary watch will do as well as (just a few) vintage watches from the 50s and 60s did. Everything says otherwise: production quantities, the fact that the best appreciating vintage watches were accidental hits, the ongoing service costs of holding a mechanical watch.
The red and early bond submariners, special daytonas and speedmaster moon watches are exceptional situations, not a pattern. A world where a mass produced 21st century rolex appreciates faster than inflation is a world in an asset bubble and you'd do even better holding almost anything else.

[teo]

Actually it is only 6 years plus from near end of year 2003 to now.

[teo]

Originally Posted by subking

this is why i think the old sub lv will only go up in value...

And i think this is a very good point..
Lots of people around here have been saying that the sub lv has been made too long and there are too many of them out there to ever be worth anything major..

Well, first off..
Rolex sub lv is a model all by its self... Very different to a regular submariner..

The life span of the sub lv "7 years" is not long at all...

Look at the old vintage 1680 red subs... Look how much those are going for now.. And the 1680 reds were not even an anniversary edition...

The old 16610 subs will go up a little one day and they will be going for what the 1680 white dials are going for... Then there will be the vintage lv.. I feel these will get $$$ compared to the regular subs.. Just like the red dial..

x2

[petesjag]

I wont be selling mine but know that 20-30 years on my 'in still perfect condition LV' will be a prized watch...

[SLA]

Wow, three or four threads that seem to be trying to talk the price up. Could happen, really depends on how much the real demand has been satisfied for that model, how much demand transfers to the new model and how many flippers are out there looking for short term returns.

[GoldenBear]

$5K is an S&P fund will yield much more.

[nch209]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

$5K is an S&P fund will yield much more.

Ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner!!!

[Bk100]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

$5K is an S&P fund will yield much more.

^^^^^^^^^
This !

Bk

[versatile1]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

$5K is an S&P fund will yield much more.

Which would great if you could wear an S&P fund on your wrist in the mean time

[ersnyder]

The only thing that is impossible to determine is if there will be a demand two decades from now. Limited supply is always essential for price escalation. But, without demand there will be no escalation. You can pretty much count on inflation though!

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by ersnyder

The only thing that is impossible to determine is if there will be a demand two decades from now. Limited supply is always essential for price escalation. But, without demand there will be no escalation. You can pretty much count on inflation though!

i would say it's safe to say that the demand on a submariner will not decrease as the submariner has maintained to be rolex's top selling sports watch for over 50 years, why would it change now?

now maybe if we were talking about a milgauss gv speculation would be more hard.. but being this is an anniversary submariner, thats what makes this such a big deal... the rolex submariner is and always will be very very popular.. please tell me if you dissagree?

which is why i think the price will rise and this watch will be a very big deal one day because it is a anniversary and i believe it is the first rolex anniversary piece they ever launched...

[JPS]

I'm with you on this one!

[Tridor]

Originally Posted by ersnyder

The only thing that is impossible to determine is if there will be a demand two decades from now. Limited supply is always essential for price escalation. But, without demand there will be no escalation. You can pretty much count on inflation though!

This. I don't believe that there will be sufficient demand for this model over time to warrant a significant premium over a standard Sub.

[SubKing]

the submariner will always be popluar and the lv even more so... yes, rolex flooded the market with the lv so no one wanted them anymore.. if they used the same marketing as they used with the SS daytona, then the lv would still be very very sought after.. but they didnt use the same marketing so after a while the lv's were not hard to come by.. but now that they are done, it looks like they will be hard to come by from here on out.. this is not like were talking about the old style seadweller or gmt.. those were being produced for years and years and years... like 50 years or so they were being made for wheres the sub lv was only for 6 years and some odd months..

[AuMDLST]

I'm starting to feel as if I may be in the minority in that I just recently purchased a "V" Daytona, "M" TT Blue and a "M" Sub LV - I didn't purchase as an investment but rather to wear and enjoy, pass on to kids when they graduate college.
No offense to those wondering about price, but you cannot seriously believe that you have made an investment that is going to give you some wonderful ROI.

[JPS]

Shortest production run in Rolex history isn't it?

[mike]

Originally Posted by JPS

Shortest production run in Rolex history isn't it?

Not quite. The 16760 had a shorter run. About 83-87ish.

[JPS]

Thanks for clarifying Mike

[roamer]

Originally Posted by mike

Not quite. The 16760 had a shorter run. About 83-87ish.

Never mind. I just realized that what I had originally posted was incorrect. Sorry.

[Nycturbovr6]

Originally Posted by mike

Not quite. The 16760 had a shorter run. About 83-87ish.

A couple years ago they were around 5k now you can't even find them for less than 10

[Oyster Al]

Originally Posted by Nycturbovr6

A couple years ago they were around 5k now you can't even find them for less than 10

Well that’s a stainless sports model for ya.

[Mr. K]

Originally Posted by JPS

Shortest production run in Rolex history isn't it?

I'll say the Oysterquartz ran longer but approx. (estimated) 25K ever made among all models. Not sure how many LV they make but more than 25K for sure.

Up front, the OQ and LV are different watches, but having 2 OQ and selling both, I can say that that market is flat. It is a "less common" Rolex but no real increase in value there.

The main reason I sold was the OH costs and the case bracelet design, if you nicked the edge you can't polish it out without rounding it. Wanted to retain value, but will not own a watch that I cannot wear for fear it losing value. I buy ALL my watches to wear.

So as it has been said here, I think value is based upon what the collectors feelings are towards a watch in the future.

[roger0770]

Originally Posted by AuMDLST

I'm starting to feel as if I may be in the minority in that I just recently purchased a "V" Daytona, "M" TT Blue and a "M" Sub LV - I didn't purchase as an investment but rather to wear and enjoy, pass on to kids when they graduate college.
No offense to those wondering about price, but you cannot seriously believe that you have made an investment that is going to give you some wonderful ROI.

i totally agree with you on this. it's a watch, not an investment. i wear the heck out of my watches. if one day i have kid(s), i will want to pass on the watches to them, and get a patek for myself.

[m j b]

Originally Posted by AuMDLST

... I didn't purchase as an investment but rather to wear and enjoy ... you cannot seriously believe that you have made an investment that is going to give you some wonderful ROI.

+1

Buy what you like, wear it, enjoy it. These are not investment pieces. They made thousands of them.

[kenco]

Any educated guesses on total production numbers over 7 years?