Why Would You Ever Buy New From an AD?

[bluemartinifan]

I have bought and sold many watches via TRF and another forum.
I will never buy a new Rolex from an AD and spend thousands more than buying from one of our trusted TRF sellers.

I understand if you have to have the new ceramic sub or other imposssible to find model - but here is my question...

For those of us who frequent TRF, why would you ever buy a new Rolex from an AD?

[Omega_Precision]

I would buy new because of the buying experience and new models, like the new Sub.

Other than that, I don't have a problem buying on here or other watch sites.

[HL65]

If the discount is enough to warrant it on hard to find model--otherwise--you are right! Some people have to have the security and knowledge of getting from AD directly--not me!

[Omega_Precision]

The problem with buying used....you don't know if the watch was refurbished or serviced.

It may look new but it was serviced and polished to look new.

Doesn't matter with me but I have seen people complain, especially vintage pieces.

[Gerardus]

I prefer grey.

[nauticajoe]

Unless its the new & exciting model that just came out, there is no need to buy from an AD.

[Dan Pierce]

All my oysters have been purchased preloved and typically prefer the savings. Always go with what's most comfortable for you.
dP

[AWATCH]

There is nothing wrong with used, I've picked up some good deals that way but there is something to be said about the experience of the new.

[multimedia]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

All my oysters have been purchased preloved and typically prefer the savings. Always go with what's most comfortable for you.
dP

Couldn't agree more. Well said Dan!

Then again there's the story when you can't find the specific watch you are looking for, being offered at "that" moment on the used market (and you don't want to wait/are unsure when such an item will pop up). Then I might consider buying new. We did this when Mrs. multimedia bought her Tudor in Hong Kong last year. Everywhere I looked, I couldn't find the model she wanted, so therefore we decided to go with the AD choice. It wasn't to bad anyway, because the HK-dollar is about 11% weaker than the RMB. So together with the standard 8% discount offered by the AD's in HK, we saved about 20%.

But personally I prefer to go with the "used option" if the watch is well maintained and the seller has a good background.

Cheers,
Joe

[walds11]

Pre-owned is the way to go. Let someone else take the initial depreciation hit.

[gmh1013]

I never buy new anything .....Rolex included
Im the king of second hand.
I wont by a used computer/electronics.....used toothbrush/underware etc.
The electronics is not correct ....all my stereo is second hand ebay stuff....I prefer analog sound.
Late 70's Kenwood tuner, Sansui turntable, nakamichi tape player, advent speakers
its all over 30 years old.

[esm]

face to face and on a personal level.
I have always prefer to deal anything in person. Its just me.

[fujitsupalm]

My first purchse was from an AD, probably costed me around 1k more than buying grey or second hand.

My next purchase I have set my eyes on a second hand EXP II or GMT II, it would save hell of alotta dollars.

[CPTL]

Originally Posted by bluemartinifan

I will never buy a new Rolex from an AD and spend thousands more than buying from one of our trusted TRF sellers.

I've bought 1 new and 3 pre-loved.

There are two questions here:
1. Why would you buy new?
2. Why would you buy from an AD?

New v. used is a long debate, usually boiling down to the individual tastes of the purchaser. Assuming that you've decided to buy new....

AD has some obvious qualitative advantages to gray. You get the in-store buying experience, to include selecting, buying, having it sized on the spot, and walking out with it; you develop a relationship with your local AD; and you get the warranty (FWIW).

I'd go with the AD if it's within a couple of percentage points on price. Buying at an AD doesn't automatically mean you're paying "thousands more"; ADs have given discounts in the past, and will continue to do so. If you can get an AD's price to within say $200 of the BNIB price from a good gray seller, then I personally would go with the AD for the above-stated reasons.

[WatchnRoll]

If you can get a discount like some ADs who have been referred on here...

Why not buy from an AD?

It's all about the right price for me. When it comes to Rolex I prefer using an AD but only if the price is right.

[Shelby-villian]

If you frequently go into your local AD, try on the products and generally use their services to confirm your product choice, you should make the purchase from that AD.

Life isn't all about getting the best deal on everything...

[PeteNYC13]

Originally Posted by CPTL

I've bought 1 new and 3 pre-loved.

There are two questions here:
1. Why would you buy new?
2. Why would you buy from an AD?

New v. used is a long debate, usually boiling down to the individual tastes of the purchaser. Assuming that you've decided to buy new....

AD has some obvious qualitative advantages to gray. You get the in-store buying experience, to include selecting, buying, having it sized on the spot, and walking out with it; you develop a relationship with your local AD; and you get the warranty (FWIW).

I'd go with the AD if it's within a couple of percentage points on price. Buying at an AD doesn't automatically mean you're paying "thousands more"; ADs have given discounts in the past, and will continue to do so. If you can get an AD's price to within say $200 of the BNIB price from a good gray seller, then I personally would go with the AD for the above-stated reasons.

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x2!
Well put, if you know how to shop and frequent an AD for all of your jewelry needs (and reccommend customers), you will beat prices that you can pay on them for even to Trusted Sellers. The sellers are buying from AD's too, now I know the floor price and that is what I aim for.

-I have never had to take any of my five Rolexes immediately to an AD or RSC to verify they are real.

-I have never sat in the house sweating hoping that my wire transfer isn't stolen or that the seller doesn't stop responding to my emails.

-I have never inspected my watch to make sure it is the same one I looked at in the box at the AD.

-I have never had to call any local or federal law enforecment agency to help me retrieve my money from an AD.

-I have my Rolexes cleaned everytime I go to "my" AD.

-I was offered the SS Daytona from "my" AD, which despite rumors, it is still rare to get one BNIB from an AD around here.

-I have received free links, adjustment and lot's of Rolex SWAG from "my" AD

-I have purchased engagement rings, wedding bands, diamond necklace, a jewelry box and more from "my" AD, I have never once paid retail and I have never once left the store feeling ripped off.

-I have sent "my" AD a half dozen customers, and the referral and the AD ALWAYS thank me.

-"My" AD knows my name, knows the watches I like, knows my budget and never pushes me to spend more than I want, they are very honest with me and I with them. If there is a model that he is looking to move, he will tell me what he can "do on it".

Just several reasons why I shop at AD, buy my cars from a dealer, buy my electronics from a store (Brick Mortar or online from a BM store).

I am sure we all have our reasons but I think the question was set up as a "you are crazy if you buy from AD" and not as a "looking for the pros and cons of buying from an AD".

Hope my input helps understand why anybody who buys from an AD isn't giving money away, and some of us actually pay pretty low prices.

-Pete

[bluemartinifan]

Originally Posted by PeteNYC13

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x2!
Well put, if you know how to shop and frequent an AD for all of your jewelry needs (and reccommend customers), you will beat prices that you can pay on them for even to Trusted Sellers. The sellers are buying from AD's too, now I know the floor price and that is what I aim for.

-I have never had to take any of my five Rolexes immediately to an AD or RSC to verify they are real.

-I have never sat in the house sweating hoping that my wire transfer isn't stolen or that the seller doesn't stop responding to my emails.

-I have never inspected my watch to make sure it is the same one I looked at in the box at the AD.

-I have never had to call any local or federal law enforecment agency to help me retrieve my money from an AD.

-I have my Rolexes cleaned everytime I go to "my" AD.

-I was offered the SS Daytona from "my" AD, which despite rumors, it is still rare to get one BNIB from an AD around here.

-I have received free links, adjustment and lot's of Rolex SWAG from "my" AD

-I have purchased engagement rings, wedding bands, diamond necklace, a jewelry box and more from "my" AD, I have never once paid retail and I have never once left the store feeling ripped off.

-I have sent "my" AD a half dozen customers, and the referral and the AD ALWAYS thank me.

-"My" AD knows my name, knows the watches I like, knows my budget and never pushes me to spend more than I want, they are very honest with me and I with them. If there is a model that he is looking to move, he will tell me what he can "do on it".

Just several reasons why I shop at AD, buy my cars from a dealer, buy my electronics from a store (Brick Mortar or online from a BM store).

I am sure we all have our reasons but I think the question was set up as a "you are crazy if you buy from AD" and not as a "looking for the pros and cons of buying from an AD".

Hope my input helps understand why anybody who buys from an AD isn't giving money away, and some of us actually pay pretty low prices.

-Pete

Hi Pete, a clarification please...
As the OP, my original posted question was why would anyone who frequents TRF buy from an AD? I made no statement regarding "you are crazy if you buy from AD".....
and
as you state above not "looking for the pros and cons of buying from an AD" - that is a different topic - that you can feel free to open as a different post and topic.

[PeteNYC13]

Originally Posted by bluemartinifan

I have bought and sold many watches via TRF and another forum.
I will never buy a new Rolex from an AD and spend thousands more than buying from one of our trusted TRF sellers.

I understand if you have to have the new ceramic sub or other imposssible to find model - but here is my question...

For those of us who frequent TRF, why would you ever buy a new Rolex from an AD?

Originally Posted by bluemartinifan

Hi Pete, a clarification please...
As the OP, my original posted question was why would anyone who frequents TRF buy from an AD? I made no statement regarding "you are crazy if you buy from AD".....
and
as you state above not "looking for the pros and cons of buying from an AD" - that is a different topic - that you can feel free to open as a different post and topic.

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Fair point, but, the comment had the assumption that you would pay thousands more from an AD - and then you asked why. I apologize if I read into it but the tone seemed to me to imply "crazy" to spend more from the AD. My thoughts were then solidified with some of the comments about AD's.
Anyway, you asked "why would you ever buy a new Rolex from an AD"?.

I provided my list of reasons why I have - and most likely will continue to shop at AD's. I have not seen a deal on line that will match my price and the peace of mind I have from the AD but I am pretty good at negotiating for what I want!

I know there are several trusted folks on here and I am trying to get my friend who is looking for a used Rolex to shop on here but have only recommended less than a handful of folks on here that he should contact and feel good about buying from. I don't want it to go bad and have him be mad at me for referring him.

I hope that clears up my opinion as to why I would buy NEW from an AD...

-Pete

[t e x]

Originally Posted by PeteNYC13

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Fair point, but, the comment had the assumption that you would pay thousands more from an AD - and then you asked why. I apologize if I read into it but the tone seemed to me to imply "crazy" to spend more from the AD. My thoughts were then solidified with some of the comments about AD's.
Anyway, you asked "why would you ever buy a new Rolex from an AD"?.

I provided my list of reasons why I have - and most likely will continue to shop at AD's. I have not seen a deal on line that will match my price and the peace of mind I have from the AD but I am pretty good at negotiating for what I want!

I know there are several trusted folks on here and I am trying to get my friend who is looking for a used Rolex to shop on here but have only recommended less than a handful of folks on here that he should contact and feel good about buying from. I don't want it to go bad and have him be mad at me for referring him.

I hope that clears up my opinion as to why I would buy NEW from an AD...

-Pete

Of course some folks don't have that kind of relationship/rapport established with an AD to provide the type of deals that you now enjoy for various reasons.

Discretionary funds for regular purchases whether watches or other jewelry is one factor.....

[Singslinger]

Originally Posted by PeteNYC13

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x2!
Well put, if you know how to shop and frequent an AD for all of your jewelry needs (and reccommend customers), you will beat prices that you can pay on them for even to Trusted Sellers. The sellers are buying from AD's too, now I know the floor price and that is what I aim for.

-I have never had to take any of my five Rolexes immediately to an AD or RSC to verify they are real.

-I have never sat in the house sweating hoping that my wire transfer isn't stolen or that the seller doesn't stop responding to my emails.

-I have never inspected my watch to make sure it is the same one I looked at in the box at the AD.

-I have never had to call any local or federal law enforecment agency to help me retrieve my money from an AD.

-I have my Rolexes cleaned everytime I go to "my" AD.

-I was offered the SS Daytona from "my" AD, which despite rumors, it is still rare to get one BNIB from an AD around here.

-I have received free links, adjustment and lot's of Rolex SWAG from "my" AD

-I have purchased engagement rings, wedding bands, diamond necklace, a jewelry box and more from "my" AD, I have never once paid retail and I have never once left the store feeling ripped off.

-I have sent "my" AD a half dozen customers, and the referral and the AD ALWAYS thank me.

-"My" AD knows my name, knows the watches I like, knows my budget and never pushes me to spend more than I want, they are very honest with me and I with them. If there is a model that he is looking to move, he will tell me what he can "do on it".

Just several reasons why I shop at AD, buy my cars from a dealer, buy my electronics from a store (Brick Mortar or online from a BM store).

I am sure we all have our reasons but I think the question was set up as a "you are crazy if you buy from AD" and not as a "looking for the pros and cons of buying from an AD".

Hope my input helps understand why anybody who buys from an AD isn't giving money away, and some of us actually pay pretty low prices.

-Pete

Agree 100%. I'd just like to add one more consideration which may be important to those who are superstitious:

- I know for sure the watch didn't come off the wrist of a dead person.

[superb]

The experience buying from a retail store is different from buying off the net. i would never buy gocery off the net and have it delivery to me..

[CoopJr]

So far, I have purchased all four of the Rolexes that I have owned from an AD. Each time, it was from an AD who was knowledgeable, courteous and worked with me on the price in one way or the other. And I have always enjoyed the personal interaction with a good AD.

It took away any doubt that I would be getting a fake, a watch not as described or a Fed Ex box full of rocks!

Those are my reasons.

But now that we are scratching the surface of $8K for a SS Rolex (including tax) and with the ability to buy from trusted sellers here like David, Oscar and Greg...if I cant get a discount and/or tax free sale...I'll be contacting them.

[Esexx]

After fnding TRF, I would not but from an AD. I prefer to save any money I can by purchasing from a trusted seller here or from my grey dealer. If it were a brand new model like the ceramic sub, I'd just wait to get it here. Besides, I wouldn't want to pay the markup at an AD when it was just released.

I am just a regular working guy and will never be in the market for a watch that is more then 10k. If I ever were looking for a watch that were that expensive, I probably goto an AD for the piece of mind.

[WatchnRoll]

If you can get 20% off and no tax from an AD but they are out of state...is there even a question who to buy from?

[Esexx]

Originally Posted by WatchnRoll

If you can get 20% off and no tax from an AD but they are out of state...is there even a question who to buy from?

Good point! I better goto Maui stat.

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by WatchnRoll

If you can get 20% off and no tax from an AD but they are out of state...is there even a question who to buy from?

Yes, there is. Clearly, my view is skewed, as I prefer to have equity in my collection. So this translates to - 1) don't buy BNIB, let some other guy take the initial hit for taking it from 'new' to 'used' and 2) don't go to a new AD and try to get a decent discount, because it just isn't realistic. Not unless you spend $100k with them per year. And still, they have to pay for their ridiculously high overhead and under-informed employees.

Perfect example, I went to Jared's here in Cincinnati this last week, and they had a GV in stock. Just for 's and giggles, I asked for their designated 'watch person', and one of the managers came out to help me. According to him:
1) GV's are absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to find, even at retail.
2) I was lucky to see one in the flesh, because it won't be there tomorrow
3) The guy who ordered it backed out of the deal because of financial hardship, but he had to wait 2 years for it to come in
4) The GV's are no longer being produced and are selling at twice the list on the secondary market.

At this point I had enough. I told him it was not for me but for a friend, and I probably won't buy it today. Then I told him he was wrong on several accounts (actually, 1 through 4 was all BS). His whole attitude changed and he insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about. At which point I raised my sleeve, showing him a minty GV and told him what I paid for it. He ventured to tell me that it was probably 'fake or stolen'. Even when I took it off my wrist and handed it to him, he told me that something was off and he couldn't put his finger on it.

At this point, I stated (calmly) that he knows as much about the product he sells as I do about basket-weaving, and bid farewell.

2nd clear example why I'll never buy from an AD before can be found in the 'Beware' sticky in the 'watchout'. Several fake DSSD's (that I personally know of) were taken in by AD's on trade, and they had no idea, passing them on to unsuspecting customers. How's that for a face-to-face?

[karmatp]

Originally Posted by WatchnRoll

If you can get 20% off and no tax from an AD but they are out of state...is there even a question who to buy from?

Exactly. Sometimes I can get a better deal from my AD than some of the new pieces here. It all depends on what kind of AD you have locally, if I only had a BB, well the deals here would kill them because they don't discount.

Around the US there are AD's that will give you 25% off, you just have to find them and build that relationship.

[tattooedfagin]

my Sub Date was pre-owned & i looked for a DSSD for sometime too but after a local AD offered me 10% i took the BNIB option with full warranty....quite happy going to the AD again unless i'm able to make serious savings elsewhere on the 'right' watch

[Cabaiguan]

This question just came up in another Omega forum and caused quite a stir. Frankly, there are really only two reasons why I would buy new:

1. New models that you just MUST have and,
2. Milestone purchase such as a wedding, anniversary, etc.

Aside from the above two reasons, it's just crazy blowing cash on a new AD purchase. It doesn't even come down to the money as many of us can well afford to buy new. The question is why when a pre-loved model is just as good, save some swirls here and there?

This is just all my opinion, of course and I would never knock anyone for buying new. However, it makes little financial sense.