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Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 12:43 AM

Hi all experts,

I would like to seek advice on whether to get the collectible GMT Master II 16760 – “Fat Lady” or a brand new discontinued Submariner 16610? Which one should I get as I only can get one piece at this moment? I was offered $5700 for the GMT 16760 by a dealer. What is fair market value for GMT 16760 now?

I really can’t decide which one. I like the old dual coke color that makes it classic but I also like the classic design of the discontinued Sub 16610. One is 20 years classic and the other is brand new discontinued model.

Any information you could supply would be helpful. Thanks!

padi56 · 27 April 2010, 12:58 AM

Well first expect the 16610 to be around for the next few months yet even some around now with the new type serial.Now the 16610 has non changed a lot since its introduction in 1988/9 so quite a few million of those around.While the fat case GMT Master II 16760 in much lesser numbers.But my advice its your choice, buy the watch you want, thats how it should be and not what others think.

nauticajoe · 27 April 2010, 01:12 AM

What's the condition on the GMT? Has it been serviced? If not, you need to calculate this into the pricing? As Padi mentioned, there are tons of Subs to be had. IMO, I would go for the GMT. At the end of the day, its what makes you smile.
Happy Hunting!

Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 01:30 AM

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for your inputs. The GMT had a full service by the dealer 2 months ago and the watch is in a very mint condition but without box and paper.

Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 01:32 AM

Do you guys know what is the market resale value for 16760 now as I am new in preowned rolex purchase..Thanks!!!

mike · 27 April 2010, 01:44 AM

As is always the case, the watch that speaks to you is the one.

Comparing the two can be a little tough in that the 16760 was made in far fewer numbers than the Sub, yet the Sub date is such an iconic piece.

From a collectable point of view IMO the GMT wins every time due to it's history and rarity compared to the Sub.

That said guessing without good pics can be a minefield. The 16760 possed two different dial types depending on year with the eariler OYSTER PERPETUAL being the more desirable of the two.

Pricing is again a guess without pics as different people have different views of condition.

Let's say loose in USD a range of north of 3K to 4.5K depending, but that's really a guess without additional information.

Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 01:49 AM

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the kind feedback..The dial for this GMT is Oyster Perpetual without the date :)

Cheers.

imono · 27 April 2010, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anfield2009

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for your inputs. The GMT had a full service by the dealer 2 months ago and the watch is in a very mint condition but without box and paper.

...Service by the DEALER...
As long as the watch is original and no replacement dial/bezel to make it look new then I'd go for the GMT.
Classic and Elegant.
Check the bracelet number too to make sure it matches the year of the watch.

JBat · 27 April 2010, 02:05 AM

That's a tough call. Since the Sub is likely to be more common for a while, I'd probably go with the Coke. Sweet watch.

Gerardus · 27 April 2010, 02:11 AM

New Sub for me.

TempoKing · 27 April 2010, 02:20 AM

Voluptuous Lady... for me...

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Iceman1974 · 27 April 2010, 03:44 AM

I would say the GMT for sure. You probably won't see too many "Fat Lady's" come around in that condition. The Sub's are going to be a "dime a dozon" for years to come. Both are great, and like everyone here has said, get what one sings to you.

Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 10:22 AM

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your inputs. Cheers!!!

Watchdog · 27 April 2010, 10:55 AM

Definitely the Fat Lady if you get it at the right price.

Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

Definitely the Fat Lady if you get it at the right price.

Hi Bro,

It was quoted to me at USD5700. Do you think this is a reasonable price for a collectible GMT in resale market?

rollieguy · 27 April 2010, 11:07 AM

Fat Lady for me, without a doubt,but the choice is yours my friend. Happy hunting.

Anfield2009 · 27 April 2010, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rollieguy

Fat Lady for me, without a doubt,but the choice is yours my friend. Happy hunting.

Thanks rollieguy..

Puffy · 27 April 2010, 08:26 PM

Fat for me.. can always pick up a 16610

imono · 28 April 2010, 12:38 AM

Take a look at this 1981 TT GMT from ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1981-ROLEX-GMT-M...item53e0fcb44d

Would it be a better GMT?

Anfield2009 · 28 April 2010, 08:15 PM

Thanks guys for your valuable knowledge sharing..

theken · 28 April 2010, 08:39 PM

Late version 16760, serial #936XXXX (c. 1986) on 78790A bracelet.
A great addition if you are a GMT collector.

Anfield2009 · 29 April 2010, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theken

Late version 16760, serial #936XXXX (c. 1986) on 78790A bracelet.
A great addition if you are a GMT collector.

Nice watch!!!

kyle L · 29 April 2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imono

Take a look at this 1981 TT GMT from ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1981-ROLEX-GMT-M...item53e0fcb44d

Would it be a better GMT?

Not necessarily better, but it'd be different. I like the TTs, they usually go for a little less and are not as popular.

Anfield2009 · 19 May 2010, 01:42 AM

Hi Guys,

Just to share.

Kokyuryoku · 19 May 2010, 02:54 AM

Beautiful

I'm glad you picked the GMT

Wow. Wear it in good health

Anfield2009 · 19 May 2010, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokyuryoku

Beautiful

I'm glad you picked the GMT

Wow. Wear it in good health

Thanks!! This piece is GMT is Oyster Perpetual without the date...

multimedia · 19 May 2010, 05:33 PM

Very nice choice!

Big CONGRATS and enjoy.

Cheers,
Joe

Newportkrieger · 20 May 2010, 08:26 AM

THe GMT fat lady is used and they wil always be available. THere are not too many chances left to buy a "Classic" new from an AD. While there will be many 16610's available inthe used market, the opportunity to buy the watch New from an AD and "make it yours" would be my priority.

Congrats on the GMT anyway.... I love mine and IMHO you can never go wrong with a GMT...regardless of my comment above

16700
16713
16610
1601 TT
1500 TT

Anfield2009 · 21 May 2010, 12:30 AM

Thanks guys..here are other photos to share..

Anfield2009 · 21 May 2010, 12:47 AM

Oops....here are the photos..

27 April 2010, 12:43 AM	#1
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Need Advice: New discontinued Sub 16610 or Preowned GMT II Coke 16760 Fat lady Hi all experts, I would like to seek advice on whether to get the collectible GMT Master II 16760 – “Fat Lady” or a brand new discontinued Submariner 16610? Which one should I get as I only can get one piece at this moment? I was offered $5700 for the GMT 16760 by a dealer. What is fair market value for GMT 16760 now? I really can’t decide which one. I like the old dual coke color that makes it classic but I also like the classic design of the discontinued Sub 16610. One is 20 years classic and the other is brand new discontinued model. Any information you could supply would be helpful. Thanks!

27 April 2010, 12:58 AM	#2
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,246	Well first expect the 16610 to be around for the next few months yet even some around now with the new type serial.Now the 16610 has non changed a lot since its introduction in 1988/9 so quite a few million of those around.While the fat case GMT Master II 16760 in much lesser numbers.But my advice its your choice, buy the watch you want, thats how it should be and not what others think. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

27 April 2010, 02:11 AM	#10
Gerardus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Gerardus Location: often in the air Watch: ♕ Posts: 12,203	New Sub for me. __________________ ♕126610 ♕126333 ♕116300

27 April 2010, 08:26 PM	#18
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	Fat for me.. can always pick up a 16610 __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

28 April 2010, 08:39 PM	#21
theken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 3,418	Late version 16760, serial #936XXXX (c. 1986) on 78790A bracelet. A great addition if you are a GMT collector. Attached Images

27 April 2010, 01:12 AM	#3
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	What's the condition on the GMT? Has it been serviced? If not, you need to calculate this into the pricing? As Padi mentioned, there are tons of Subs to be had. IMO, I would go for the GMT. At the end of the day, its what makes you smile. Happy Hunting!

27 April 2010, 01:30 AM	#4
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Hi Guys, Many thanks for your inputs. The GMT had a full service by the dealer 2 months ago and the watch is in a very mint condition but without box and paper.

27 April 2010, 01:32 AM	#5
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Do you guys know what is the market resale value for 16760 now as I am new in preowned rolex purchase..Thanks!!!

27 April 2010, 01:44 AM	#6
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,682	As is always the case, the watch that speaks to you is the one. Comparing the two can be a little tough in that the 16760 was made in far fewer numbers than the Sub, yet the Sub date is such an iconic piece. From a collectable point of view IMO the GMT wins every time due to it's history and rarity compared to the Sub. That said guessing without good pics can be a minefield. The 16760 possed two different dial types depending on year with the eariler OYSTER PERPETUAL being the more desirable of the two. Pricing is again a guess without pics as different people have different views of condition. Let's say loose in USD a range of north of 3K to 4.5K depending, but that's really a guess without additional information.

27 April 2010, 01:49 AM	#7
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Hi Mike, Thanks for the kind feedback..The dial for this GMT is Oyster Perpetual without the date :) Cheers.

27 April 2010, 02:05 AM	#9
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	That's a tough call. Since the Sub is likely to be more common for a while, I'd probably go with the Coke. Sweet watch.

27 April 2010, 02:20 AM	#11
TempoKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Anastasios Location: Athens Greece Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 8,496	Voluptuous Lady... for me... . . . . .

27 April 2010, 03:44 AM	#12
Iceman1974 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Cody Location: Washington Watch: Submariner 16610LV Posts: 63	I would say the GMT for sure. You probably won't see too many "Fat Lady's" come around in that condition. The Sub's are going to be a "dime a dozon" for years to come. Both are great, and like everyone here has said, get what one sings to you.

27 April 2010, 10:22 AM	#13
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Hi Guys, Thanks for your inputs. Cheers!!!

27 April 2010, 10:55 AM	#14
Watchdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Junkyard Dog Location: The Doghouse Watch: I can't tell time Posts: 6,842	Definitely the Fat Lady if you get it at the right price.

27 April 2010, 11:07 AM	#16
rollieguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Toronto Canada Watch: utalkinboutwillis Posts: 113	Fat Lady for me, without a doubt,but the choice is yours my friend. Happy hunting.

28 April 2010, 12:38 AM	#19
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	Take a look at this 1981 TT GMT from ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/1981-ROLEX-GMT-M...item53e0fcb44d Would it be a better GMT?

28 April 2010, 08:15 PM	#20
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Thanks guys for your valuable knowledge sharing..

19 May 2010, 01:42 AM	#24
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	GMT Master II Hi Guys, Just to share. Attached Images

19 May 2010, 02:54 AM	#25
Kokyuryoku "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Rye Location: Japan Watch: Sundial Posts: 2,156	Beautiful I'm glad you picked the GMT Wow. Wear it in good health __________________ 'The Way of a Warrior is based on humanity, love, and sincerity; the heart of martial valor is true bravery, wisdom, love, and friendship. Emphasis on the physical aspects of warriorship is futile, for the power of the body is always limited'*- Morihei Ueshiba -* Omega 3570.50 (77mil) Rolex 16610 (V) Rolex 1601 (1966) Seiko BM

19 May 2010, 05:33 PM	#27
multimedia "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Joe Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,835	Very nice choice! Big CONGRATS and enjoy. Cheers, Joe __________________ "Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works." - S.J.

20 May 2010, 08:26 AM	#28
Newportkrieger Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Steve Location: Newport Beach, CA Watch: GMT Master Pepsi Posts: 1,243	I would have gotten the 16610... THe GMT fat lady is used and they wil always be available. THere are not too many chances left to buy a "Classic" new from an AD. While there will be many 16610's available inthe used market, the opportunity to buy the watch New from an AD and "make it yours" would be my priority. Congrats on the GMT anyway.... I love mine and IMHO you can never go wrong with a GMT...regardless of my comment above 16700 16713 16610 1601 TT 1500 TT

21 May 2010, 12:30 AM	#29
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Gmt Thanks guys..here are other photos to share..

21 May 2010, 12:47 AM	#30
Anfield2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Gmt Oops....here are the photos.. Attached Images

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