[Authenticty Check Help Request]Tudor Prince Oysterdate ETA2784

[PR_]

Greetings Fellow Rolexers,

Hope you are all doing well.

Haven't had many activity over here, but some you may recognize me form the WUS forum specially in the years previous to 2007.

This time I have a special request, which I hope I'm posting in the write section:

Help me Identify and check the authenticity of a Tudor Prince Oysterdate ETA2784 that is on the bay.

I'm turning 30 next month and what better excuse to present myself with something special

So here's the dea: on our beloved time-waster, budget blower bay we all know so well, a HK Seller is selling the following Tudor Prince Oysterdate ETA2784 stating as all original. Certainly I did have some case work to look pristine. Confortable enough with that.

Accordingly to the pictures attached, dos it all look fine? shoud I pull the trigger? And what Is considered a fair market for such time pice? haven't foud much concise info on vintage tudors

* Maker: TUDOR
* Model: PRINCE OYSTERDATE
* Mvt: 2784 25 JEWELS SS DATE AUTO
* Case #: 90520
* Serial #: 949722 (put's it around 1980/81, just about my age!)
* Pictures below the post (all Copyright belongs to the seller from the bay):

You help is much appreciated as have allways been
Cheers,
Pedro Rica (AKA PR)

[Michael M.]

Looks like the case has legitimate wear, and the caseback has a few watchmakers marks in it, not sure, but it looks real to me.

[PR_]

Many thanks for taking the time to answer Michael!

Is there any site reference for each Tudor model? Because, I would suspect tha the dial shoud have some luminous little balls near the marker sticks? (Just like Datejusts 1601 etc...)

What about the rest of you guys? What's your insight?

Cheers!

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Looks like the case has legitimate wear, and the caseback has a few watchmakers marks in it, not sure, but it looks real to me.

[DRAWTOOL]

I'd post this in the "Watch Out" section, all the experts hang out there.

[PR_]

Thanks Drawtool, will do just that. Will ask moderators to do it (as I think I don't have that kind of privileges).

Cheers,
Pedro

[blaine mattison]

original to the watch from the factory, not!

the dial is marked swiss made, that marking would be seen
on late late late 90's (H series).

most likely a service dial

happy hunting for your 30th

[PR_]

Hi Blaine,

Thanks for your advice
That's exactly what I was looking for.

I Love Asia, believe me, HK and Japan are among my favourite destinations, but I have a certain lack of trust on pristine looking premium brand vintage watches from Malasya, Singapore, and HK (please if someone is a national, don't take it personal, I think it's a matter of culter, supplies, craftmanship and spares availability).

What this watch can be is a series of separate parts put together into a new franke right?

Is there a place where I can cross-check dials from certain eras, case numbers etc... beside serials only for vintage Tudors?

Regardings my 30th hunting, and as I find it harder and harder to get any good deals on anything labeled Rolex or Tudor on the bay, where should you recommend me to look for something in the range of 1500 USD max?

I would love a Rolex 5500, or a Datejust 1601, something powered by the 1570. Other air kings are also a favorite of minem, and this kind of Tudors aswel..

Sorry for the long reply,

And thanks again,
Pedro

[blaine mattison]

well i don't think it's a parts watch.

9052 did come with a eta 2784 movement. so the case and movement match.

about the case and movement checks, get yourself a green rolex R20 service
book. remember these books were to be updated when they were supplied to
the A.D. not uncommon to see not every model not there. i have 2 one from
60's and one from the late 80's. those 2 seem to catch most of the models


as for the dials, just remember tudor NEVER HAD "SWISS - T<25"!
and the "swiss made" ARE newer and for the rest> swiss, t swiss t
and t swiss made t ( i may of missed one?)

as for the year you were born?? 80-81?? about the only thing that had
a 1570 was the 1655 (nice!!!!!!) and the AK SUB NO/date where still
using the 1520.

[PR_]

Thanks Blaine,

Where can I get a R20 service book? Sorry my noobness regarding servicing :(

Regarding the Swiss marking I'm not quite sure I understood. I did understood that the indication "Swiss made" puts the dial in the probably servicing replacement. As long as it is original, I would be fine with that.

Now about the remaining indications I've seen in Rolexes and Tudors, what do you mean with the " swiss, t swiss t, t swiss made t"? Do you mean that tihs was the denominations used as years passed by? (I know the T denotes Tritium right? So a dial with a T must have some sort of luminous markers)..

A little off-topic, the 1570 was produced only until 1977 correct? So is there any variant that lived to it's fame that replaced it? (I do know that Tudors are a class apart, and are ETA powered... thus this being off-topic).

Bottom line, what would you think would be a good finishing price for this one? I don't like Frankens... so spending around 500 USD on this max would be considered fair and a nice "investment"?

Thanks again, allways enjoying learning from the pros ;)

All the best,
Pedro

Originally Posted by blaine mattison

well i don't think it's a parts watch.

9052 did come with a eta 2784 movement. so the case and movement match.

about the case and movement checks, get yourself a green rolex R20 service
book. remember these books were to be updated when they were supplied to
the A.D. not uncommon to see not every model not there. i have 2 one from
60's and one from the late 80's. those 2 seem to catch most of the models


as for the dials, just remember tudor NEVER HAD "SWISS - T<25"!
and the "swiss made" ARE newer and for the rest> swiss, t swiss t
and t swiss made t ( i may of missed one?)

as for the year you were born?? 80-81?? about the only thing that had
a 1570 was the 1655 (nice!!!!!!) and the AK SUB NO/date where still
using the 1520.

[blaine mattison]

the dial marking would appear to be a service replacement dial
NO T>> no tritium. the change took place some time during the late
late late 90's to current. that when you'll see those type of dial marking.
the newer dials have no tritium.>>> swiss made<< marked

the other marking would be on older tudor dials before the late, late late 90's
(50's to the later 90's) but never will they be marked....... swiss-t<25

the dial could not be original to the watch (as it never would of left the
factory with those markings) at best the dial could only be geniune (replaced)

1655 "big orange hand" and the milguass 1019 which both ran the 15 series
chronometer movements in the 80's. history will tell us if rolex will build another
series movement that will last as long as the 15 series ran. 30 plus years??
that will be a tough one to beat.


about the R20 book. ebay, watch show, your local watchmarker. that is about
the only place you'll get one. unless you choose to "dumpster dive" your local
A.D. once in a while. HA HA HA

Pedro, with the bay these day's you can only guess what you'll have to
pay. last week things could of been cheaper and this week higher. IMO, you will
pay on "the bay" low 3's to high 5's just depends who's bidding, how it's listed,
the description, are the pictures good, the start and end time, the persons
feedback, the shipping cost, the condition, does it come with a band and finally where's it's located at?? just to many variables on that type of watch.
sorry i could be more help there.

as for the investment part?? the value of the watch lies in the movement.
i really don't see that watch as a investment, but more of a donor for a 94110
94011 (take out the date wheel parts)tudor subs that have a very rusty
movement. the movement in that watch is the only source of "value" and i feel
you be LUCKY to get 75-100 dollars for the rest

so as a investment, no. it is a nice vintage starter watch with a excellent
name on it.

happy hunting

[PR_]

Hi again Blaine,

Thanks for putting it in those terms for me.

I think the good looks and fine finish is luring my eye into something that probably isn't worth enough (unless the price is extremly attractive!).

Aslo have owned many ETA before, just becaue it carries a Rolex Oyster case I should probably stick to my original wished Datejusts 1601 or Air-Kings.

Therefor I consider all my questions answered.

Special regards to everyone who gave their insight

Pedro