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amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 06:02 AM

I'm looking to spend some money in the next few days. Think it's going to be on either the steeel GMT IIc or a DSSD.

At present, I have a 16220 Datejust, a 16600 Sea-Dweller 4000 and a 116520 Daytona.

I generally wear the Datejust and Sea-Dweller during the working week and I love them a little bit too much. Having been wearing them for 11 and 8 years respectively (since getting each as a new watch from an AD), I am thinking of retiring them as daily watches. As much as anything, this is because I really would be devastated if anything happened to either watch and I wasn't able to get an identical replacement, which would be impossible for the Datejust and extremely unlikely for the Sea-Dweller 4000 (unless I found a friendly dealer with an unworn one sitting in a safe).

I have quite small wrists and it has struck me that hiding a DSSD up my shirt sleeve when at work would be pretty tricky, but it is a beast of a watch and I love it!

As for the GMT IIc, it is fantastically beautiful on the wrist and I love the polished centre links, the green 24-hour hand and the way that it sits close to the wrist.

I have also tried the two-tone GMT IIc and two-tone Subc with both colours of dial, but I knew they weren't for me when I put them on. I must admit that there are a couple of Datejusts that I also like (the two-tone 116203 on Oyster bracelet with silver baton dial and the 116234 on Jubilee bracelet with silver baton dial) and the white Rolesor Datejust II with black Roman numeral dial (with single indice marker) is stunning. However, I'm sure it's going to be either the GMT IIc or DSSD.

The AD that I bought my Daytona from has basically told me on several occasions to talk discounts if/when I'm ready to buy something else.

Whichever watch I go for, I'm going to try for at least 10%. Does anyone in the UK think that more might be achievable?

Also, any thoughts about which might hold its value, or even appreciate in value, better? I'm not buying as an investment, I'm going to wear the watch (as I wear the three I already have) but one of the ways I am trying to justify another watch is by buying something where I don't think I'm going to lose much money if disaster ever struck and I had a forced sale!

There is a decent chance that, whichever I go for, as soon as I purchase it I will start saving for the one that I don't buy.

All and any thoughts appreciated!

nauticajoe · 22 September 2011, 06:11 AM

Given your current lineup, I'd lean more towards the GMTIIc.

Good luck!

Lion · 22 September 2011, 06:12 AM

I happen to wear and enjoy the GMT's so my vote goes in that direction!!!

TSW · 22 September 2011, 06:17 AM

With the collection you got I'd go for the GMTc!

A.J.R. · 22 September 2011, 06:19 AM

Gmt iic

Dan2010 · 22 September 2011, 06:19 AM

Gmt

siewmaiwatch · 22 September 2011, 06:19 AM

GMTc would be a good choice

orork · 22 September 2011, 06:22 AM

Gmt

drockadam · 22 September 2011, 06:22 AM

Go with the GMT!

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 06:26 AM

Thanks for all the replies! So for it's unanimously in favour of the GMT IIc! Does no-one think the DSSD is the better choice?

I think the GMT is probably the better daily watch, but I'm also wondering about price rises in future and whether or not that might make it better to go for the DSSD now? (If they raise prices by roughly the same percentage across the range, it will go up quite a bit more).

bYAZZ · 22 September 2011, 06:26 AM

ditto

but then
i would

smallcandle · 22 September 2011, 06:29 AM

GMTiic. Don't let price speculation on the DSSD sway you. Buy the watch that you'll most enjoy wearing, which from description sounds like the GMT.

sam florio · 5 January 2012, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smallcandle

GMTiic. Don't let price speculation on the DSSD sway you. Buy the watch that you'll most enjoy wearing, which from description sounds like the GMT.

x2

Melanotaenia · 22 September 2011, 06:30 AM

the price increases will happen no matter what; you already have a SD, unless you want an even larger watch, then I would go for the GMT II, as I also own a SD and could not get the DSSD to feel comfortable on my wrist due to the size.

Also factor in your wrist size; if you are a bigger guy, then the DSSD may be a good bet, but if you are like me, and don't have huge wrists, the DSSD just does not fit right for me.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 07:24 AM

Thanks for all the thoughts so far. Any thoughts about how much discount I should achieve?

I'm planning on going to the same AD I bought my Daytona from last year and paying by debit card to try and increase their room for manouevre.

psv · 22 September 2011, 07:27 AM

Small wrists and DSSD don't go well together. The GMTIIC makes for a most excellent daily driver and would be my recommendation.

rad87gn · 22 September 2011, 07:30 AM

I'd keep what you have and not retire them. I think you'd have no problem finding a replacement if you had to. I'd wear the Daytona more if it was me. ;)

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad87gn

I'd keep what you have and not retire them. I think you'd have no problem finding a replacement if you had to. I'd wear the Daytona more if it was me. ;)

Thanks for replying. The only reason I don't wear the Daytona on weekdays is because I tend to look at the date more often than the time when I'm at work! That and it's nice to wear something different when I'm not working.

I probably won't retire the Datejust and Sea-Dweller completely, but I'm planning on whatever I buy being my main daily watch.

dddrees · 22 September 2011, 07:31 AM

GMTIIC gets my vote.

Grissom · 22 September 2011, 07:32 AM

Well, they paid approximately 60% of the retail price, so ask for what they would be willing to discount to you, based on your past sales history with them, and the current demand for that watch in their geographic sales area. Remember that they have both fixed and variable costs associated with operating their business, and a certain amount of profitability that they strive for, in order to make it worth their while to even own and operate their store. You could also see if cash would be even more desirable, and if not, if they treat debit and credit card transactions more or less the same, use the card that benefits you the best.

Good luck and enjoy your soon to be new GMTIIc!

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grissom

Well, they paid approximately 60% of the retail price, so ask for what they would be willing to discount to you, based on your past sales history with them, and the current demand for that watch in their geographic sales area. Remember that they have both fixed and variable costs associated with operating their business, and a certain amount of profitability that they strive for, in order to make it worth their while to even own and operate their store. You could also see if cash would be even more desirable, and if not, if they treat debit and credit card transactions more or less the same, use the card that benefits you the best.

Good luck and enjoy your soon to be new GMTIIc!

Thanks for replying. I'm pretty convinced that the GMT is the better daily watch...and you're certain that's what I'm buying! I just love the DSSD too...

Rani Drama · 22 September 2011, 07:44 AM

Gmt

Polemic · 22 September 2011, 07:55 AM

Gmt2c

FeelingTheBlues · 22 September 2011, 08:04 AM

Did anybody say GMT-II? Haha!

My choice would be that one as well tho, gotta love that green hand!

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

Did anybody say GMT-II? Haha!

My choice would be that one as well tho, gotta love that green hand!

I do love the green hand! Is that Robert Johnson in your avatar? (PS If it's a photo of you or someone much more recent I am going to feel pretty stupid!)

FeelingTheBlues · 22 September 2011, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amaninspired

I do love the green hand! Is that Robert Johnson in your avatar? (PS If it's a photo of you or someone much more recent I am going to feel pretty stupid!)

Just when I thought everybody would like my picture of Barack Obama...

Seriously tho, it is Robert Johnson indeed! Glad to see you recognized him!

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

Just when I thought everybody would like my picture of Barack Obama...

Seriously tho, it is Robert Johnson indeed! Glad to see you recognized him!

Phew, that's a relief! So few recordings, so much influence. Such a sad story.

amaninspired · 23 September 2011, 05:26 AM

Final few points, if I can get some help with them...

1. Does anyone have any further views upon the level of discount I should try to go for with a UK dealer (that might not be the busiest because of their locality)?

2. Were the first DSSDs on V serial numbers, or were they slightly earlier?

3. Similarly, were the first steel GMT IIc watches on V serial numbers or earlier?

I'll probably have a look at any others they might have in stock to be certain, but I'm 99% certain that it will be one or other of the ones I've been speaking about!

Thanks for any further replies and to everyone who has given me an opinion so far...

Mutlu · 22 September 2011, 08:09 AM

but it is a beast of a watch and I love it!

[/QUOTE]

Why fight it......DSSD all the way!

amaninspired · 22 September 2011, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutlu

Why fight it......DSSD all the way!

Finally, someone dissents!!!!!!

Thanks for replying!

22 September 2011, 06:02 AM	#1
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	Decision time soon - Steel GMT IIc or DSSD I'm looking to spend some money in the next few days. Think it's going to be on either the steeel GMT IIc or a DSSD. At present, I have a 16220 Datejust, a 16600 Sea-Dweller 4000 and a 116520 Daytona. I generally wear the Datejust and Sea-Dweller during the working week and I love them a little bit too much. Having been wearing them for 11 and 8 years respectively (since getting each as a new watch from an AD), I am thinking of retiring them as daily watches. As much as anything, this is because I really would be devastated if anything happened to either watch and I wasn't able to get an identical replacement, which would be impossible for the Datejust and extremely unlikely for the Sea-Dweller 4000 (unless I found a friendly dealer with an unworn one sitting in a safe). I have quite small wrists and it has struck me that hiding a DSSD up my shirt sleeve when at work would be pretty tricky, but it is a beast of a watch and I love it! As for the GMT IIc, it is fantastically beautiful on the wrist and I love the polished centre links, the green 24-hour hand and the way that it sits close to the wrist. I have also tried the two-tone GMT IIc and two-tone Subc with both colours of dial, but I knew they weren't for me when I put them on. I must admit that there are a couple of Datejusts that I also like (the two-tone 116203 on Oyster bracelet with silver baton dial and the 116234 on Jubilee bracelet with silver baton dial) and the white Rolesor Datejust II with black Roman numeral dial (with single indice marker) is stunning. However, I'm sure it's going to be either the GMT IIc or DSSD. The AD that I bought my Daytona from has basically told me on several occasions to talk discounts if/when I'm ready to buy something else. Whichever watch I go for, I'm going to try for at least 10%. Does anyone in the UK think that more might be achievable? Also, any thoughts about which might hold its value, or even appreciate in value, better? I'm not buying as an investment, I'm going to wear the watch (as I wear the three I already have) but one of the ways I am trying to justify another watch is by buying something where I don't think I'm going to lose much money if disaster ever struck and I had a forced sale! There is a decent chance that, whichever I go for, as soon as I purchase it I will start saving for the one that I don't buy. All and any thoughts appreciated!

22 September 2011, 06:12 AM	#3
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	I happen to wear and enjoy the GMT's so my vote goes in that direction!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

22 September 2011, 06:17 AM	#4
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	With the collection you got I'd go for the GMTc! __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

22 September 2011, 06:19 AM	#5
A.J.R. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: AJ Location: Oregon Watch: SUBC, DJII Posts: 1,827	Gmt iic __________________

22 September 2011, 06:22 AM	#9
drockadam "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: Pepsi. Posts: 5,749	Go with the GMT! __________________ - Adam Instagram: @GMTSUBTIME

22 September 2011, 06:11 AM	#2
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Given your current lineup, I'd lean more towards the GMTIIc. Good luck!

22 September 2011, 06:19 AM	#6
Dan2010 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South Carolina Watch: Panerai 914 Posts: 6,540	Gmt

22 September 2011, 06:19 AM	#7
siewmaiwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Macau Watch: 16610LV 14060m Posts: 399	GMTc would be a good choice

22 September 2011, 06:22 AM	#8
orork "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Frank Location: GMT -6, Iowa Watch: GMT II TT Posts: 64	Gmt

22 September 2011, 06:26 AM	#10
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	Thanks for all the replies! So for it's unanimously in favour of the GMT IIc! Does no-one think the DSSD is the better choice? I think the GMT is probably the better daily watch, but I'm also wondering about price rises in future and whether or not that might make it better to go for the DSSD now? (If they raise prices by roughly the same percentage across the range, it will go up quite a bit more).

22 September 2011, 06:26 AM	#11
bYAZZ "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Oxford Posts: 48	ditto but then i would

22 September 2011, 06:29 AM	#12
smallcandle "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Kansas Watch: 16610, Omega PO Posts: 1,898	GMTiic. Don't let price speculation on the DSSD sway you. Buy the watch that you'll most enjoy wearing, which from description sounds like the GMT. __________________ Things got out of control and I had to stab a clown...

22 September 2011, 06:30 AM	#14
Melanotaenia "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Jonathan Location: NYC Watch: Explorers and Subs Posts: 620	the price increases will happen no matter what; you already have a SD, unless you want an even larger watch, then I would go for the GMT II, as I also own a SD and could not get the DSSD to feel comfortable on my wrist due to the size. Also factor in your wrist size; if you are a bigger guy, then the DSSD may be a good bet, but if you are like me, and don't have huge wrists, the DSSD just does not fit right for me. Good luck with whatever you choose!

22 September 2011, 07:24 AM	#15
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	Thanks for all the thoughts so far. Any thoughts about how much discount I should achieve? I'm planning on going to the same AD I bought my Daytona from last year and paying by debit card to try and increase their room for manouevre.

22 September 2011, 07:27 AM	#16
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Small wrists and DSSD don't go well together. The GMTIIC makes for a most excellent daily driver and would be my recommendation.

22 September 2011, 07:30 AM	#17
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	I'd keep what you have and not retire them. I think you'd have no problem finding a replacement if you had to. I'd wear the Daytona more if it was me. ;) __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

22 September 2011, 07:31 AM	#19
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	GMTIIC gets my vote. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

22 September 2011, 07:32 AM	#20
Grissom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Nathan Location: US, Latin America Watch: GMT IIc 18K/SS Posts: 3,349	Well, they paid approximately 60% of the retail price, so ask for what they would be willing to discount to you, based on your past sales history with them, and the current demand for that watch in their geographic sales area. Remember that they have both fixed and variable costs associated with operating their business, and a certain amount of profitability that they strive for, in order to make it worth their while to even own and operate their store. You could also see if cash would be even more desirable, and if not, if they treat debit and credit card transactions more or less the same, use the card that benefits you the best. Good luck and enjoy your soon to be new GMTIIc! __________________ *(Member NAWCC since 1976)* 116713LN GMT-IIc 18k/SS (Z) + 116520 SS Daytona (M) + 16700 GMT Master (A) + 16610LV Submariner (V) + 16600 Sea Dweller (Z) + 116400 Milgauss White Dial (V) + 70330N Tudor Heritage Chronograph Grey w/Black Sub Dials (J) + 5513 Submariner Serif Dial (5.2 Mil) Who else needs an Intervention? (109 297) (137 237) (73 115) (221) (23) (56) (229) P-Club Member #5 RIP JJ Irani - TRF Legend

22 September 2011, 07:44 AM	#22
Rani Drama "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Canada Watch: 116610LN Sub Posts: 427	Gmt __________________

22 September 2011, 07:55 AM	#23
Polemic "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Turkey Watch: 116610 LN Posts: 356	Gmt2c

22 September 2011, 08:04 AM	#24
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	Did anybody say GMT-II? Haha! My choice would be that one as well tho, gotta love that green hand!

23 September 2011, 05:26 AM	#28
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	Final few points, if I can get some help with them... 1. Does anyone have any further views upon the level of discount I should try to go for with a UK dealer (that might not be the busiest because of their locality)? 2. Were the first DSSDs on V serial numbers, or were they slightly earlier? 3. Similarly, were the first steel GMT IIc watches on V serial numbers or earlier? I'll probably have a look at any others they might have in stock to be certain, but I'm 99% certain that it will be one or other of the ones I've been speaking about! Thanks for any further replies and to everyone who has given me an opinion so far...

22 September 2011, 08:09 AM	#29
Mutlu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Los Angeles Watch: DSSD Posts: 107	but it is a beast of a watch and I love it! [/QUOTE] Why fight it......DSSD all the way!

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