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Feras · 20 October 2011, 09:24 PM

Did omega start producing their Seamasters in ceramic after the Rolex released their ceramic submariners? or is it the opposite?

capote · 20 October 2011, 09:39 PM

Rolex was first I believe

The GMT Master · 20 October 2011, 09:41 PM

Rolex were the first to implement ceramics on the bezels of their watches, but I would argue that Omega is leading the way with movements right now

GEO_79 · 20 October 2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Rolex were the first to implement ceramics on the bezels of their watches, but I would argue that Omega is leading the way with movements right now

yes Chris;very true!

warrior · 21 October 2011, 12:54 AM

Yes.

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Originally Posted by the gmt master

rolex were the first to implement ceramics on the bezels of their watches, but i would argue that omega is leading the way with movements right now

s.al-anizi · 21 October 2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Rolex were the first to implement ceramics on the bezels of their watches, but I would argue that Omega is leading the way with movements right now

Very well said, cannot agree more

rad87gn · 21 October 2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

but I would argue that Omega is leading the way with movements right now

I agree. Both are awesome though. I started buying Omega as of late. Buying Panerai hand wound too. I think the old school PAM rock. Omega and PAM got me into the handwind world. Love it.

I can't believe how cheap the old Omegas are?!?! Crazy...

Fearsome Puppy · 20 October 2011, 09:46 PM

I'd agree with you Chris after seeing the backside of the new PO Chrono. wow....

padi56 · 20 October 2011, 10:09 PM

Ceramic is not something new in watches some brands have been making them since the 1960s.But today Ceramic seems to be the latest fashion so many brands are now jumping on the ceramic bandwagon.

esm · 21 October 2011, 01:02 AM

RADO pioneered the ceramic technology in the watch industry and is owned by Swatch Group.

Omega is also owned by Swatch Group... So you do the maths

SSSS · 21 October 2011, 09:31 AM

No one does ceramics better than RADO IMHO.

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Originally Posted by esm

RADO pioneered the ceramic technology in the watch industry and is owned by Swatch Group.

Omega is also owned by Swatch Group... So you do the maths

dooder202 · 21 October 2011, 04:54 AM

I'd say the only thing progressing with Rolex are their prices. Totally getting out of control. When the Omega ceramic is available with the 8500 movement you can bet your bottom dollar I will be aquiring one of them, especially at half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes.

dsio · 21 October 2011, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dooder202

I'd say the only thing progressing with Rolex are their prices. Totally getting out of control. When the Omega ceramic is available with the 8500 movement you can bet your bottom dollar I will be aquiring one of them, especially at half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes.

Its already out, I tried one on a couple of weeks ago, but you're not going to get half price.

Paulie 50 · 21 October 2011, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dooder202

I'd say the only thing progressing with Rolex are their prices. Totally getting out of control. When the Omega ceramic is available with the 8500 movement you can bet your bottom dollar I will be aquiring one of them, especially at half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes.

The answer is quite simple, buy second hand; every Rolex can be bought that way, no price increases, no waiting lists and no hassle.

capote · 21 October 2011, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paulie 50

The answer is quite simple, buy second hand; every Rolex can be bought that way, no price increases, no waiting lists and no hassle.

Actually the prices of pre-owned Rolexes are also increasing all the time.

Feras · 21 October 2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by capote

Actually the prices of pre-owned Rolexes are also increasing all the time.

true, actually tbh some members here selling rolexes for almost the same price as am AD sells a new one!

mrbill2mrbill2 · 21 October 2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dooder202

I'd say the only thing progressing with Rolex are their prices. Totally getting out of control. When the Omega ceramic is available with the 8500 movement you can bet your bottom dollar I will be aquiring one of them, especially at half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes.

Half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes? I don't think so.

MY-WATCH · 21 October 2011, 05:27 AM

Ceramic has been there for quite long time

esm · 21 October 2011, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dooder202

I'd say the only thing progressing with Rolex are their prices. Totally getting out of control. When the Omega ceramic is available with the 8500 movement you can bet your bottom dollar I will be aquiring one of them, especially at half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes.

Great stuff. You can probably bet your bottom dollar that the re-sale value of the said Ceramic PO with 8500 will not be as good as say.... A Rolex. Even after discount.

Ebruner · 21 October 2011, 10:20 AM

Rolex follows no one.

-Eddie

Speed · 21 October 2011, 10:28 AM

Watchoo talkin' bout Eddie?

I think the larger DDIIs and DJIIs are evidence of following...as are the Super cases, no?

Ebruner · 21 October 2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Watchoo talkin' bout Eddie?

I think the larger DDIIs and DJIIs are evidence of following...as are the Super cases, no?

Maybe following consumer wants, but design wise Rolex leads. Other bands have Sub'ish, DD'ish, DJ'ish watches. Rolex has set the standard to copy and follow. They have adjusted their styles a bit, but that is not following another brand per se.

-Eddie

ktmd · 21 October 2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Watchoo talkin' bout Eddie?

I think the larger DDIIs and DJIIs are evidence of following...as are the Super cases, no?

I agree with this.

The sub, the DD and the DJ are old designs. Updating them with minor tweaks and size increases can hardly be thought of as leading.

For what it is worth I tried on a new PO last weekend, and I honestly much preferred it to the Sub C. Yes, I know it is not a Rolex, and I realize it will not hold it's value as well as a Rolex, but it is one hell of a nice watch with impeccable finishing, a real wrist presence, and a cutting edge movement.

Rolex makes nice classically styled watches, but with the new offerings Omega truely leads in my book.

SkyKing31 · 21 October 2011, 03:00 PM

i dont like omega

caballero · 21 October 2011, 03:24 PM

I think some of you guys need to realise that rolex is not the be all and end all of the watch world. There are many far superior brands available in respect to quality, build , movement etc...

All of the newer bigger cased rolexs look absolutely horrible. the super cased lugs/the awful bezels on the dd2s and dj2s the short hands on the explorer .

I love my sub,daytona and day date so not hating . but rolex are definately becomming one of the followers

king arthur · 21 October 2011, 04:08 PM

My dad says Rolex back in 1963 is 350 pesos and Omega 300 pesos. And he says that has been the trend. My uncle, dad's brother, was given a Rolex as a gift from her mom for being the only Filipino that year to be chosen by the Philippine Government to go to West Point.

sierra11b · 21 October 2011, 04:32 PM

I applaud Omega for their technological efforts but they have a lot to work out before they are Rolex.

Me and a very good friend had a streak of bad luck with Omega and their servicing within the last two years -- part of what drew me to Rolex a couple years ago. Between the two of us we have had 3 watches come back worse off than when we sent them for servicing. His White GMT was badly damaged with tons of scratches after servicing. He refuses to buy another Omega. I had a Seamaster that they just couldn't get right and always stopped. Finally got it working with a private watchmaker and sold it off at a considerable loss (and with full disclosure to the buyer) because it gave me so much headache.

It took a lot to justify a 3750.50 -- a watch i've always wanted -- but I did so based on the fact I can service the 1860 easily elsewhere and keep the watch unpolished to boot.

I don't understand how they can increase prices to Rolex standards when their QC is seriously lacking. Sometimes I wonder if the bit-off more than they can chew with the Co-Axial?

spyderco10 · 21 October 2011, 05:41 PM

stange how these always end up turning into a rolex vs omega argument

thewatchguy93 · 21 October 2011, 05:48 PM

Rolex will always win for me personally. However on the technical aspects of the watch, Omega may be winning..

esm · 21 October 2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebruner

Maybe following consumer wants, but design wise Rolex leads. Other bands have Sub'ish, DD'ish, DJ'ish watches. Rolex has set the standard to copy and follow. They have adjusted their styles a bit, but that is not following another brand per se.

-Eddie

Blancpain FF springs to mind.

20 October 2011, 09:24 PM	#1
Feras Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Feras Location: Bahrain Watch: Rolex,Tag Posts: 1,923	Is rolex leading and omega following?or vice versa? Did omega start producing their Seamasters in ceramic after the Rolex released their ceramic submariners? or is it the opposite?

20 October 2011, 09:46 PM	#8
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20 October 2011, 10:09 PM	#9
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21 October 2011, 05:48 PM	#29
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20 October 2011, 09:39 PM	#2
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	Rolex was first I believe

20 October 2011, 09:41 PM	#3
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,151	Rolex were the first to implement ceramics on the bezels of their watches, but I would argue that Omega is leading the way with movements right now

21 October 2011, 01:02 AM	#10
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	RADO pioneered the ceramic technology in the watch industry and is owned by Swatch Group. Omega is also owned by Swatch Group... So you do the maths

21 October 2011, 04:54 AM	#12
dooder202 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: US Watch: DateJust Posts: 1,468	I'd say the only thing progressing with Rolex are their prices. Totally getting out of control. When the Omega ceramic is available with the 8500 movement you can bet your bottom dollar I will be aquiring one of them, especially at half the price (after discount) than the Rolexes.

21 October 2011, 05:27 AM	#18
MY-WATCH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Sala hu din Location: N/A Posts: 1,787	Ceramic has been there for quite long time

21 October 2011, 10:28 AM	#21
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,741	Watchoo talkin' bout Eddie? I think the larger DDIIs and DJIIs are evidence of following...as are the Super cases, no?

21 October 2011, 03:00 PM	#24
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	i dont like omega

21 October 2011, 03:24 PM	#25
caballero "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Japan / Australia Watch: LV/116520/118238 Posts: 471	I think some of you guys need to realise that rolex is not the be all and end all of the watch world. There are many far superior brands available in respect to quality, build , movement etc... All of the newer bigger cased rolexs look absolutely horrible. the super cased lugs/the awful bezels on the dd2s and dj2s the short hands on the explorer . I love my sub,daytona and day date so not hating . but rolex are definately becomming one of the followers

21 October 2011, 04:08 PM	#26
king arthur "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Arthur Location: Manila Watch: Daytona Posts: 278	My dad says Rolex back in 1963 is 350 pesos and Omega 300 pesos. And he says that has been the trend. My uncle, dad's brother, was given a Rolex as a gift from her mom for being the only Filipino that year to be chosen by the Philippine Government to go to West Point.

21 October 2011, 04:32 PM	#27
sierra11b "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Eric Location: California Watch: MkXVIII, 3570.50 Posts: 1,966	I applaud Omega for their technological efforts but they have a lot to work out before they are Rolex. Me and a very good friend had a streak of bad luck with Omega and their servicing within the last two years -- part of what drew me to Rolex a couple years ago. Between the two of us we have had 3 watches come back worse off than when we sent them for servicing. His White GMT was badly damaged with tons of scratches after servicing. He refuses to buy another Omega. I had a Seamaster that they just couldn't get right and always stopped. Finally got it working with a private watchmaker and sold it off at a considerable loss (and with full disclosure to the buyer) because it gave me so much headache. It took a lot to justify a 3750.50 -- a watch i've always wanted -- but I did so based on the fact I can service the 1860 easily elsewhere and keep the watch unpolished to boot. I don't understand how they can increase prices to Rolex standards when their QC is seriously lacking. Sometimes I wonder if the bit-off more than they can chew with the Co-Axial?

21 October 2011, 05:41 PM	#28
spyderco10 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 126	stange how these always end up turning into a rolex vs omega argument

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