Richard Mille trolling ;)

[boursachi]

well guys, i will stir up some drama here

who has moved from an AP to an RM?
which model from AP and to which model from RM?

has anyone done the opposite, from RM to AP?

let the ripping commence

[kilyung]

RM is still building their case making facility. Many RMs are actually assembled by AP's Renaud et Papi in Le Locle so there's a lot of similar DNA in both brands. I don't see it as one vs the other. I almost pulled the trigger on a RM10 and RM11 but some early movement production issues and the $6k minimum service cost has me waiting a little longer to see how durable these watches are.

[mask1196]

Originally Posted by kilyung

RM is still building their case making facility. Many RMs are actually assembled by AP's Renaud et Papi in Le Locle so there's a lot of similar DNA in both brands. I don't see it as one vs the other. I almost pulled the trigger on a RM10 and RM11 but some early movement production issues and the $6k minimum service cost has me waiting a little longer to see how durable these watches are.

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[Shade]

Originally Posted by kilyung

$6k minimum service cost has me waiting a little longer to see how durable these watches are.

Seriously? I'll never buy an RM - sorry. What a hoard of bull dung.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by Shade

Seriously? I'll never buy an RM - sorry. What a hoard of bull dung.

You realize many people say the same thing about Rolex service costs? It's all relative.

[TSW]

Originally Posted by kilyung

You realize many people say the same thing about rolex service costs? It's all relative.

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[boursachi]

Originally Posted by edo

but first RM MUST be tonneau case and arabic numbers :)... as they say that first Ferrari must be red :)...

haha really? my 1st and 3rd fcars are yellow, 2nd was red (on red)
kidding aside, i do relate to what you are saying and agree that the 10ti offers a great package for someone with a rotation of watches

Originally Posted by iLLGT2

Ali, I hate you. That is all hahaha

LOL how do you think i feel about myself

Originally Posted by shnxx

1) I agree that maybe one day RMs will feel like the way frank mullers feel today.

sorry guys what am i missing here with the FM references? kindly fill me in, as i am not sure what are the basis of comparison here


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still not a single rm010ti popped up! well, one did, which is supposedly brand new but is $45k .. sorry but no
and since this is an AP forum, i think this is going to go well:
the 4101 has picked up a lot of momentum

what is funny or rather strange is that they both satisfy many, many of the same needs and boxes for a ROTATION on paper; and dare i say even with the philosophy behind each one included; however they both offer DIFFERENT choices once seen and tried on the wrist.
PS: if you take the $45k price for that rm010ti i referred to seriously, the 4101 is more than half that ..

[TSW]

A 11 in Ti is definitely on my list

[mask1196]

Originally Posted by TSW

A 11 in Ti is definitely on my list

Nice Thomas.
I'm thinking to add a Rolf 75. What ya think?

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by TSW

A 11 in Ti is definitely on my list

Hey Thomas, the RG looks better on you mate!

[TSW]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Hey Thomas, the RG looks better on you mate!

Well Mike I do need a gold piece in my collection

[boursachi]

i absolutely agree and believe that the ROO line specifically has a lot in common with the RM automatic/chrono lines. in fact, i was even more impressed with the brand as a whole because of the APRP linkage, as well as RM not trying to be something he/they are not
i tried the RM011 in RG yesterday, i loved the presence but the dial was just too busy. i also have no use for yet another chronograph. i am most interested in the RM010 Ti, after doing extensive research and realizing it is the way to go - i found an RM005 Ti FM (ltd 300pcs) that is LNIB for a good price (i think), but after much thought it would be too similar to the BB in its feel for one thing; and more importantly, the RM010 is more skeletonized
i did find an RM011 Ti as well, so that makes an RM005 Ti FM and an RM011 FM found and have been presented with decent offers in 48hrs.. but no luck with the 10 Ti?

ps: i am not certain that any assembling takes place outside the RM facility. as i am under the impression that despite sourcing the movements (tailored to specific requirements) and parts (all from switzerland) from others, the assembly and overall finishing is done at RM

edit for the non-RM-inclined here are:
RM005 Ti FM (ltd 300pc)


RM010 Ti


good pics here to show differences between RM010 and RM005

RM011 Ti FM

[BABKA]

boursachi's last pic is terrific and a great pic in the wild. The RM011 Feilpe Massa is one stunning watch.

[Manofsteelpt]

Mike... $6k min service for RM?!?!?! I really like the RM10, and also saw a RM05fm for a nice deal, but that's ridic for svc fees

[witch watch]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

Mike... $6k min service for RM?!?!?! but that's ridic for svc fees

Exactly what i was thinking

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

Mike... $6k min service for RM?!?!?! I really like the RM10, and also saw a RM05fm for a nice deal, but that's ridic for svc fees

I really wanted a RM...but that sentence just totally put me off!

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by diver2012

I really wanted a RM...but that sentence just totally put me off!

OK...I've been obsessing for the last 24 hours and after looking at 100's of pictures have decided...I must work harder and ignore servicing costs!

[HL65]

Well I have come real close to getting an RM 11 Ti but in the end just couldn't pull the trigger. I ended up with a Patek 5960P instead and decided if I want a fun weekend watch I will turn to my RBII Ti which I much prefer. I understand the allure but still have too many questions about their future and demand over the years etc.
Cheers,

[BABKA]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Well I have come real close to getting an RM 11 Ti but in the end just couldn't pull the trigger. I ended up with a Patek 5960P instead and decided if I want a fun weekend watch I will turn to my RBII Ti which I much prefer. I understand the allure but still have too many questions about their future and demand over the years etc.
Cheers,

Good point Ken and while I think the RM011 looks terrific, side by side the RB2 looks substantially cooler.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by BABKA

Good point Ken and while I think the RM011 looks terrific, side by side the RB2 looks substantially cooler.

My man Steve G!! Good to see you here buddy and we are on same page!

[mrarchiegoodwin]

Hi All:

Sorry to revive a thread on AP Forum about Richard Mille (however AP made RM possible so there's a connection), but I wanted to relate a happy conclusion to the mishap with my watch band. And also to alert forum users who have older RM watches to verify if their bands are glued or bonded.

After I got my spare band installed it developed a different problem--sticky black stuff oozed from the edges. At first I thought I got chewing gum on it. But it kept leaving black marks where my wrist rests on my laptop that were sticky and hard to clean. Ugh. The next day it got really bad--every edge of the band was black and sticky.

I emailed the watch shop in Carmel I bought the bands from to alert them to these phenomena and ask for their recommendation. They emailed back immediately an offer to sell me a new band for $450. I also emailed the shop in Beverly Hills who sent my watch in for service (not related to the broken band) and got an unexpected response. That AD told me the old bands were glued and the new bands are bonded (there appears to be more material where the titanium plate is inserted) and offered me a new band for free!

It just arrived via FedEx from Torrance. I mention Torrance because I have been there and it's a very prosperous commercial center, but not where you would expect to find anything related to Richard Mille. Nonetheless confidence in my little watch has been restored and I will wear it with impunity--or until I find that ideal AP.

Cheers.

RC

[TSW]

Originally Posted by mrarchiegoodwin

Hi All:

Sorry to revive a thread on AP Forum about Richard Mille (however AP made RM possible so there's a connection), but I wanted to relate a happy conclusion to the mishap with my watch band. And also to alert forum users who have older RM watches to verify if their bands are glued or bonded.

After I got my spare band installed it developed a different problem--sticky black stuff oozed from the edges. At first I thought I got chewing gum on it. But it kept leaving black marks where my wrist rests on my laptop that were sticky and hard to clean. Ugh. The next day it got really bad--every edge of the band was black and sticky.

I emailed the watch shop in Carmel I bought the bands from to alert them to these phenomena and ask for their recommendation. They emailed back immediately an offer to sell me a new band for $450. I also emailed the shop in Beverly Hills who sent my watch in for service (not related to the broken band) and got an unexpected response. That AD told me the old bands were glued and the new bands are bonded (there appears to be more material where the titanium plate is inserted) and offered me a new band for free!

It just arrived via FedEx from Torrance. I mention Torrance because I have been there and it's a very prosperous commercial center, but not where you would expect to find anything related to Richard Mille. Nonetheless confidence in my little watch has been restored and I will wear it with impunity--or until I find that ideal AP.

Cheers.

RC

Great to hear the good news
I see that you found your screw driver too.

[alxforschnr]

[QUOTE=SteelerFan65;3495039]Well I have come real close to getting an RM 11 Ti but in the end just couldn't pull the trigger. I ended up with a Patek 5960P instead and decided if I want a fun weekend watch I will turn to my RBII Ti which I much prefer. I understand the allure but still have too many questions about their future and demand over the years etc.
Cheers,[/QU


Second that!!!!

[texex91]

I personally like the RM.

Different watch, very unique and limited.

Would I spend that kind of $, probably not.

But never say never

[highdiver]

Originally Posted by texex91

I personally like the RM.

Different watch, very unique and limited.

Would I spend that kind of $, probably not.

But never say never

+1.

I will probably consider a used one and or get it from auction, if ever.

[Submarino]

Beautiful but not for me. I personally don't like the shape of their cases. n:

[vpr80]

Beautiful watches, can't justify the cost. At that level, I want history and reputation so that it's really worth the money. I would go for Patek in those dollars.

Interesting story, I was in switzerland approx 8-10 years ago and saw a Quinting in a high-end store. Asked to see it as the girl put on gloves and with hands shaking, handed it to me. I couldn't understand what she was so nervous over, until I asked the price. $250k. At which point I handed it back to her and said thank you. Coon and unique watch, but $250k, is that a joke! Then 3 or 4 years later, someone was selling one (I think he still is actually) for like $3k and cannot find one person to buy it. Moral of the story, RM needs a lot more history to make sure those prices stick. Unless all of their customers are billionaires and don't care about dropping $50-$100k :-)

[boursachi]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Well I have come real close to getting an RM 11 Ti but in the end just couldn't pull the trigger. I ended up with a Patek 5960P instead and decided if I want a fun weekend watch I will turn to my RBII Ti which I much prefer. I understand the allure but still have too many questions about their future and demand over the years etc.
Cheers,

the 5960p is definitely the better watch than the RM011 Ti and i do not think anyone can argue except based on purposes for the watch (i.e. the look and the loads extra sportiness of the RM). HUGE CONGRATS and well done on that decision.
i am however not shopping in that price bracket + not interested in an RM011 based on the chrono function plus the fact that the dial is just too busy

i will admit however that i was adamant on a 5726 as a next watch, until i tried on a 5102 and asked myself shouldn't my first and probably only patek which will be the jewel of my humble collection a ROUND one? and in PLATINUM since it's my favourite ELEMENT and not just metal? (i do not wear gold so that limits my choices from PP as well).
right now, i think i am fixated on a 5130p because unfortunately the 5131's dial is not made in platinum :( is it?!?!!

ps: mind you, the 5726 was picked based on the fact that it is an annual calendar.. and the rm010 is picked due to it being a skeletonized automatic
the 5130p offers not a function that i wish to have (world time), but the platinum, dial, roundedness, class, timelessness, and just AESTHETICS make me forget the make and the fact it is a PP and pick it over an annual + skeleton combined haha :)

Originally Posted by Submarino

Beautiful but not for me. I personally don't like the shape of their cases. n:

what do you make of their new stuff? the diver? the square extra thin? :)

Originally Posted by vpr80

Beautiful watches, can't justify the cost. At that level, I want history and reputation so that it's really worth the money. I would go for Patek in those dollars.
Moral of the story, RM needs a lot more history to make sure those prices stick. Unless all of their customers are billionaires and don't care about dropping $50-$100k :-)

allow me to copy paste what i have written in another forum regarding the exact same thing ;)

i know what you mean. i would explain it with an analogy to a Pagani car really.. the beating heart of a piece is from another manufacturer (AMG, Vaucher / Renaud & Papi), the design and concept is derived from an exquisite point of view rather than heritage, attention is paid to fine details, going overboard on everything (engraving titanium screws that go on a door of a pagani?), and making sure exclusivity is the main lure, not the numbers while ensuring that they do not give in to norms. i for one do not subscribe to writing off RM as a flashy brand, just as much as i wouldn't write off a pagani to be anything less than a bugatti with the vw funding. never got into that especially when keeping up with their updates and manufacturing and the amount of science that goes into their watches. as a car nut, i get what he is doing with the brand as well. from a marketing pov, they are doing what the swiss watchmakers are doing, endorsements and sponsorhips in sports, movies, and punching out "limited editions" with only painting the bezel a different colour and charging x-times extra.
of course the pricing is laughable, but imho even a rolex/omega/iwc, a tag for that matter, is "overpriced"
personally, the rm010 is just as beautiful a skeleton watch as an RO (oh no i didn't lol) for example or any other that offers it

[vpr80]

Originally Posted by boursachi

i know what you mean. i would explain it with an analogy to a Pagani car really.. the beating heart of a piece is from another manufacturer (AMG, Vaucher / Renaud & Papi), the design and concept is derived from an exquisite point of view rather than heritage, attention is paid to fine details, going overboard on everything (engraving titanium screws that go on a door of a pagani?), and making sure exclusivity is the main lure, not the numbers while ensuring that they do not give in to norms. i for one do not subscribe to writing off RM as a flashy brand, just as much as i wouldn't write off a pagani to be anything less than a bugatti with the vw funding. never got into that especially when keeping up with their updates and manufacturing and the amount of science that goes into their watches. as a car nut, i get what he is doing with the brand as well. from a marketing pov, they are doing what the swiss watchmakers are doing, endorsements and sponsorhips in sports, movies, and punching out "limited editions" with only painting the bezel a different colour and charging x-times extra.
of course the pricing is laughable, but imho even a rolex/omega/iwc, a tag for that matter, is "overpriced"
personally, the rm010 is just as beautiful a skeleton watch as an RO (oh no i didn't lol) for example or any other that offers it

That is actually a great comparison....too bad I can't get anywhere near either one....but if I do hit the lotto in the near future, I will enjoy my RM as I take the Zonda out for a spin :)

[mrarchiegoodwin]

i will admit however that i was adamant on a 5726 as a next watch, until i tried on a 5102 and asked myself shouldn't my first and probably only patek which will be the jewel of my humble collection a ROUND one? and in PLATINUM since it's my favourite ELEMENT and not just metal? (i do not wear gold so that limits my choices from PP as well).
right now, i think i am fixated on a 5130p because unfortunately the 5131's dial is not made in platinum :( is it?!?!!

Sorry I don't know how to post pictures yet.

I agree with you about platinum. I entered the watch world when I got a big bonus and decided to treat myself for the first time to a fine watch. I bought an AP Jules Audemars chronograph in yellow gold. I loved that watch. After over a year I realized I never wore gold anything, prefer gray metal and my watch should not be gold just because it was the traditional reward for hard work. Into the sock drawer.

I came across the predecessor of my Jules Audemars (but I don't know what it's called--its not the Classique) in platinum with a medium gray dial. It was almost impossible to tell the time and the subdials were invisible, but what a classy watch! I wore that over 2 years before it stopped and I sent it to AP in Clearwater. I liked it so much I got another one with a white dial. They weren't expensive. Nobody seemed to want them.

Now I am back to wearing my trusty IWC MkXII (platinum case). I like the look of platinum, but think I would be just as happy with titanium since I don't use my watch as a paperweight. However, if your interest is Patek Philippe I suspect platinum would be the most appropriate case material. I haven't seen Patek offered in stainless steel in a long time and never in titanium. There's also white gold and you might find that small components of a platinum cased Patek are white gold (because it is much easier to work than platinum).

For now, for the first time, I am focused on Rolex.