AP Diver or DeepSea???????

[beachbum]

I was reading this thread on the Rolex board and the response were overwhelming against the AP diver. I know the results would be skewed but I am very interested in your thoughts here :) is the deepsea far superior?

[ralfcom]

I personally think the DSSD is a better looking watch.

[Dickson Lim]

I don't think they are in the same league. However, if you are looking for a tool watch and you do have a big wrist, the DeepSea is not a bad choice either.

[roh123]

Easy choice. DSSD is a terrible looking watch. Just too much.. The Diver however is a beauty. :)

[capote]

Originally Posted by roh123

Easy choice. DSSD is a terrible looking watch. Just too much.. The Diver however is a beauty. :)

This

[malarky_hk]

You have to ask yourself what you do you want out of these watches, as they are quite different.

If you're looking for a true diver and will use the watch for its intended purpose, there is no doubt that the between the two you listed - the DSSD is THE watch to get. The AP Diver is rated 300m vs. DSSD 3,900m and as such the DSSD is built accordingly to handle such depths. Many have nicknamed the DSSD the Beast.

If you want a haute horology "sports watch" with a unique design and capability of handling reasonable depths, then the AP Diver would fit that bill. I would characterize this comparison to the Merc G Wagon (AP Diver) vs. the Hummer H1 (DSSD).

So the answer is it depends on what you're looking for. For me, I'd take the DSSD.

[woodsworth]

AP Diver in a heartbeat.

The DSSD is an uncomfortable watch (for me, anyways) and it is too blingy for what it was intended to be, imo. You could buy the AP Diver, and get a cheap "true" dive watch, if that is what you are yearning for, for under 2k. I'd probably take a Sinn U1 over a DSSD, and it is about 1/10th of the cost.

[singe89]

I have both and like the AP Diver more. The quality, fit/finish and overall look are much more appealing to me.

[Bran66don]

I'd probably take a Sinn U1 over a DSSD, and it is about 1/10th of the cost.

[jojosnr]

Yes. The DSSD is not for the masses.

Originally Posted by Bran66don

I'd probably take a Sinn U1 over a DSSD, and it is about 1/10th of the cost.

[ticketmaster123]

I have a Sub and as of 3 weeks ago a Diver as well.

I would get the Diver if I had to choose between the two.

AP is in another league - and has the rarity factor...whereas every man and his dog seems to have a Rolex these days.

[moby33]

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!

[Dickson Lim]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!

It is funny that all the details we appreciate are not yours.
IMO it would be relatively easy to sketch a watch, but to build something with extraordinary craftsmanship is totally another stroy.

Anyhow, it would be harder to draw a hexagon than a circle!

[Dickson Lim]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

It is funny that all the details we appreciate are not yours.
IMO it would be relatively easy to sketch a watch, but to build something with extraordinary craftsmanship is totally another stroy.

Anyhow, it would be harder to draw a hexagon than a circle!

I meant story and octagonal!

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends...

Translation: I know this is going to piss people off, but I am going to post it anyway...

[brian8121]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!

To each his own. I actually felt the same way until I saw one and tried it on in person. I had always appreciated the Royal Oak for its history and AP's finishing/movement quality but the aesthetically the watches didn't do anything for me. It wasn't until I tried on a 15400 and a 15202 at the NYC AP boutique that something clicked for me. I ended up picking up the 15202. I probably won't stray too far from the traditional Royal Oak (mulling 15300 or possibly the chronograph). Much like the 5711 Nautilus (with the subtle curves in its bezel, etc), the Royal Oak is best appreciated in person - you can see all the fine details and the level of finish - the tapisserie dial, beveled edges, etc. Different league vs. the DSSD IMHO. But again, totally subjective - though I think calling it "something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's" a bit harsh.

[ticketmaster123]

I would also like to add, for those that don't like the Diver, I think it is THE least photogenic watch on earth.

I have only seen 1 photo where I think it looks anything other than awful!

BUT...in real life it looks incredible. So definitely try one on before ruling them out.

[ilovethiscity]

Originally Posted by ticketmaster123

I would also like to add, for those that don't like the Diver, I think it is THE least photogenic watch on earth.

I have only seen 1 photo where I think it looks anything other than awful!

BUT...in real life it looks incredible. So definitely try one on before ruling them out.

I completely agree with this point I always thought the AP's were so so ugly until I saw them in the flesh and they really are beautiful they just photo so badly..

DSSD is the only rolex I think is actually too over designed they tried too hard and it's way too busy IMO.. however if your a 'proper diver' it's the only watch to get!!

The AP movements are actually incredible but obviously that makes the watches twice the price!

[moby33]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

It is funny that all the details we appreciate are not yours.
IMO it would be relatively easy to sketch a watch, but to build something with extraordinary craftsmanship is totally another stroy.

Anyhow, it would be harder to draw a hexagon than a circle!

Absolutely, no question there. If we all liked the same thing life would be boring.

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

Translation: I know this is going to piss people off, but I am going to post it anyway...

Not really, no need for translation. It is what it is...I'm just stating my opinion. I don't like the look at all - so what, I won't buy. If you love the look, great - buy it. Nothing more, nothing less. If MY opinion "pisses" off anyone then I've got to laugh...if owners really loves their watch, who cares what some random guy on TRF says regarding a difference of opinion?!?!

Originally Posted by brian8121

To each his own. I actually felt the same way until I saw one and tried it on in person. I had always appreciated the Royal Oak for its history and AP's finishing/movement quality but the aesthetically the watches didn't do anything for me. It wasn't until I tried on a 15400 and a 15202 at the NYC AP boutique that something clicked for me. I ended up picking up the 15202. I probably won't stray too far from the traditional Royal Oak (mulling 15300 or possibly the chronograph). Much like the 5711 Nautilus (with the subtle curves in its bezel, etc), the Royal Oak is best appreciated in person - you can see all the fine details and the level of finish - the tapisserie dial, beveled edges, etc. Different league vs. the DSSD IMHO. But again, totally subjective - though I think calling it "something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's" a bit harsh.

Oh trust me, I've tried on many, and have friends that absolutely swear by them...again, great for them. But never did the experience change my mind. Oh well.

Anyone that takes offense to the fact that I dislike their choice says more about their mentality than mine IMO. And my 12 yr old reference was in jest...I get a kick how some get so spun up about words used to describe their watches. I absolutely LOVE my new POC chrono...yet I know many think it's too big, ugly and cluttered. Okay, doesn't bother me in the least. I mean, come on guys & gals...these are ONLY watches. Who cares what I think about them...I'm just using the forum as it's meant to be used...as a means to express opinions & thoughts.

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by moby33

Not really, no need for translation. It is what it is...I'm just stating my opinion. I don't like the look at all - so what, I won't buy. If you love the look, great - buy it. Nothing more, nothing less. If MY opinion "pisses" off anyone then I've got to laugh...if owners really loves their watch, who cares what some random guy on TRF says regarding a difference of opinion?!?!

So, you knew it would antagonize people, and when they get upset about being antagonized you find it funny?

[Zdenek]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!:

x 2!!!
Try the bezel motion on both watches. What a difference!!!

[fminus]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!

Have you tried one one? I used to feel the same way about the Royal Oaks and even Panerais! Now I own 2 of each :P

[moby33]

Originally Posted by fminus

Have you tried one one? I used to feel the same way about the Royal Oaks and even Panerais! Now I own 2 of each :P

Absolutely, I have friends that are huge fans, I'm just not one of them. Like the Daytona, I continue to go back every so often to try the AP on seeing if my tastes have changed. And like the Daytona, it just doesn't sing to me. As we all know, a lot of these feelings are tough to sum up, it just doesn't do it for me.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the design just seems too much all over the place...I just don't understand the waffle dial, stop sign-like bezel & plain-jane hands...and the metal bracelets are way too funky for my tastes. I definitely think they look better on rubber, but I'm not a rubber band kind of guy...so in the end I just can't wrap my head around the AP.

For those that love them, great, enjoy...they are just not for me.

The DSSD on the other hand is next to perfect for my tastes...I absolutely loved my DS. The only reason I got rid of mine was the fact my Sub-C does everything the DS did on a daily basis & my new POC9300 fills my 'big watch' need when I want to change things up. The bezel, domed crystal & Glidelock on the DSSD are a thing of absolute beauty IMO.

[Dennis2005]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!

X2
I feel the same about the AP.

[h999r]

[QUOTE=Dennis2005;3834044]X2

Totally understand, it's about taste. We can not arguing about taste, nobody wins. Same as Patek , RM it's not for everybody watches, they have their own fans.
If everybody has the same taste, then we all gonna wear the same watches. And it's gonna be so boring.

[emagni]

[QUOTE=h999r;3834112]

Originally Posted by Dennis2005

X2

Totally understand, it's about taste. We can not arguing about taste, nobody wins. Same as Patek , RM it's not for everybody watches, they have their own fans.
If everybody has the same taste, then we all gonna wear the same watches. And it's gonna be so boring.

x2

[oilman666]

Originally Posted by moby33

I realize this is probably not going to make a lot of friends, but I just don't get the AP appeal (from an aesthetics standpoint). I've tried to warm up to their look over the years, but it just doesn't do it for me.

The funky stop-sign, non-functioning bezel cases (w/ garish screws), dials that always seem too cluttered w/ their checker board layouts & hands that always seem way too plain & boring all add up to a watch that just doesn't look good to me.

No disputing their movement & build quality, but I've got to like what I'm looking at when I put a watch on my wrist and the AP's just don't do it for me. I've said it before, but to me the AP looks like something a 12 year old with above average drawing skills would design in the mid 80's.

For that reason alone, I would take the DSSD all day long. Good luck!

I respect your opinion. but I personally like the AP look. I love the look. That being said the DSSD on this topic is the way to go

[theseire]

Abit of topic but I'm in the same dilema. However I'm comparing the AP Diver vs the Hublot Ocenographic 4000 in titanium. Which would you get?

[emagni]

Originally Posted by theseire

Abit of topic but I'm in the same dilema. However I'm comparing the AP Diver vs the Hublot Ocenographic 4000 in titanium. Which would you get?

AP over Hublot any day of the week. And I know Rolex may not be considered to be in the same league to Hublot for some but to me I take a Rolex over Hublot as well.

[speedfighter]

I'm biased with a 7+ inch wrist so I go with the Hublot Oceanographic. I have to say this since I own one:)

Originally Posted by theseire

Abit of topic but I'm in the same dilema. However I'm comparing the AP Diver vs the Hublot Ocenographic 4000 in titanium. Which would you get?