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raymo · 2 February 2013, 05:22 AM

Hi all. I'm new to this forum. Searched for the obvious answer but need reassurance. I been looking for GMT Master II for a while. I found a very nice GMT II with a black bezel at a very reputable local watch retailer. This is a one owner watch that was recently traded in. The salesman showed me a new authentic pepsi bezel still in its wrapper and offered to install such at no extra cost if I purchased the watch. Sales price $6,450.

Question? Would this watch be considered an authentic GMT II Pepsi?

Tools · 2 February 2013, 08:55 AM

Yes.... er...no.. oh, maybe...

Only in the USA did the packaging come with a build code on the orignal paperwork, such as R16710N30B7679

R16710 = Rolex GMT II
N = black insert
30 = black dial
B7679 = 76790 bracelet.

What insert the GMT was "born" with is not marked or listed any place else..

However, Rolex has alway provided any color insert for the GMT unless that model only came with a single style. It is not a lesser watch if an insert is changed at a later date........

S52 · 2 February 2013, 09:27 AM

Pretty sure my 16710 paperwork list it as a 16710B, the "B" indicating it left the factory with the "Pepsi" bezel...

xhype · 2 February 2013, 09:25 AM

welcome to the forum and i will say go for it if its going to be in your person for a lng time to come as far as the insert goes it doesn't matter but if i were you i tell him tro in a coke also.

alanc · 2 February 2013, 09:33 AM

The paperwork for a 16710 Pepsi includes a "B" after the model #. This is the only way you'd know how the watch was originally configured.

So, it boils down to what you mean by "authentic." If by "authentic" you mean "as per the paperwork," then no, it would not be. If by "authentic" you mean that the watch is configured in the manner that a 16710 could have been originally configured, then it's authentic.

I don't think anyone here would pay more for the first type of authentic than the second, so long as it's an authentic Rolex bezel insert.

77T · 2 February 2013, 09:32 AM

Agree with Larry on his points.

Would add a proviso that putting a Pepsi insert on a s/n watch made before they were available, or well after Rolex stopped building them, would be anachronistic and an astute WIS would call "foul"...

Z-Sub · 2 February 2013, 12:09 PM

Buy one in the condition you want and change the insert later if you like.

Watchdog · 2 February 2013, 12:25 PM

Too much

77T · 2 February 2013, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

Too much

Did the keyboard freeze?

Too much of what?

RRGHOST1 · 2 February 2013, 01:21 PM

Mine had a special ordered black bezel insert but the green tag showed it was a 16710RB which ment it was changed to black at Rolex from a Pepsi,i changed it to a Pepsi,at no extra cost.

sandybax · 2 February 2013, 01:24 PM

Do not worry, change the bezel to the one you like best and enjoy your watch :) It is a Rolex watch with a Rolex bezel.

tfduff723 · 2 February 2013, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 77T

Did the keyboard freeze?

Too much of what?

I am guessing $s and would tend to agree. That price seems a bit steep for a 16710 these days....

Dan Pierce · 2 February 2013, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

Too much

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfduff723

I am guessing $s and would tend to agree. That price seems a bit steep for a 16710 these days....

Yeah, closer to $5K would be more like it. Although at over $6K I'm a happy camper as I already own a 16710.

dP

joe100 · 2 February 2013, 05:03 PM

That price is steep. I wouldn't consider a swapped bezel changing the watch at all. Bezel inserts are really disposable parts after all.

rolexjc · 2 February 2013, 05:38 PM

R16710A30B7879.... The A at the middle means coke?

sierra11b · 2 February 2013, 05:45 PM

Correct.

rolexjc · 2 February 2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra11b

Correct.

Thnaks :thumbsup

HRV · 2 February 2013, 05:56 PM

Good info

Ozzy12 · 3 February 2013, 12:05 AM

Just buy the watch, buy the inserts and be happy. Pick up a jubilee bracelet while you are at it.

springer · 3 February 2013, 12:36 AM

That seems like a fairly excessive price for a GMT II.

Roller07 · 3 February 2013, 01:09 AM

No it would not be an authentic Pepsi because the style # on the papers would not match the build of the watch.

The style # on my GMT-II Pepsi is R16710B30B7879.

swish77 · 3 February 2013, 01:12 AM

Yes, seems pricey, but it's at a retailer. Assuming that it's a fairly recent serial number and comes with all paperwork, boxes, etc ... and with an extra insert, closer to $5K is probably a fairer price, keeping in mind that it's a discontinued model whose appeal will only continue to grow. I might throw in a little more if it comes with a warranty and/or a service. I wouldn't worry about the "authentic Pepsi" debate. It would be fine in my book. A NATO strap isn't correct on a Rolex, either, but many of us do it. Anything that can be swapped fairly easily is fine, and a Pepsi looks great. Good luck either way.

ploprofgibbs · 3 February 2013, 02:04 AM

I have found a 1675 with a Pepsi bezel. 1971 box and papers. Hong Kong bought. Can purchase it for $6,800 USD. Intertested if anyone has comments on whether this is a legit watch (by looking at the picture) and a good deal?

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater

raymo · 3 February 2013, 03:04 AM

Thanks all. Greatly appreciated.

2 February 2013, 05:22 AM	#1
raymo Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Raymond Location: Rhode Island USA Watch: Omega PO Posts: 2	What makes a pepsi a pepsi? Hi all. I'm new to this forum. Searched for the obvious answer but need reassurance. I been looking for GMT Master II for a while. I found a very nice GMT II with a black bezel at a very reputable local watch retailer. This is a one owner watch that was recently traded in. The salesman showed me a new authentic pepsi bezel still in its wrapper and offered to install such at no extra cost if I purchased the watch. Sales price $6,450. Question? Would this watch be considered an authentic GMT II Pepsi?

2 February 2013, 08:55 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	Yes.... er...no.. oh, maybe... Only in the USA did the packaging come with a build code on the orignal paperwork, such as R16710N30B7679 R16710 = Rolex GMT II N = black insert 30 = black dial B7679 = 76790 bracelet. What insert the GMT was "born" with is not marked or listed any place else.. However, Rolex has alway provided any color insert for the GMT unless that model only came with a single style. It is not a lesser watch if an insert is changed at a later date........ __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

2 February 2013, 09:27 AM	#3
S52 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: FL230 Watch: me fly-by Posts: 789	Pretty sure my 16710 paperwork list it as a 16710B, the "B" indicating it left the factory with the "Pepsi" bezel... __________________ GMT Master II 16710B BLRO--Sea Dweller 16600--Submariner 1680--Milgauss 116400--Tudor BB58 79030B--Omega Speedmaster Pro--IWC Mark XV Automatic--Breitling Aerospace

2 February 2013, 09:25 AM	#4
xhype "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: Brooklyn,NY Watch: Rolex GMT II 16710 Posts: 850	welcome to the forum and i will say go for it if its going to be in your person for a lng time to come as far as the insert goes it doesn't matter but if i were you i tell him tro in a coke also. __________________ GMT MASTER 16710 AKA THE XHYPE

2 February 2013, 09:32 AM	#6
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,922	Agree with Larry on his points. Would add a proviso that putting a Pepsi insert on a s/n watch made before they were available, or well after Rolex stopped building them, would be anachronistic and an astute WIS would call "foul"... __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

2 February 2013, 09:33 AM	#5
alanc "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Alan Location: Connecticut Watch: 114270 16710B Posts: 1,062	The paperwork for a 16710 Pepsi includes a "B" after the model #. This is the only way you'd know how the watch was originally configured. So, it boils down to what you mean by "authentic." If by "authentic" you mean "as per the paperwork," then no, it would not be. If by "authentic" you mean that the watch is configured in the manner that a 16710 could have been originally configured, then it's authentic. I don't think anyone here would pay more for the first type of authentic than the second, so long as it's an authentic Rolex bezel insert.

2 February 2013, 12:09 PM	#7
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	Buy one in the condition you want and change the insert later if you like. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

2 February 2013, 12:25 PM	#8
Watchdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Junkyard Dog Location: The Doghouse Watch: I can't tell time Posts: 6,817	Too much

2 February 2013, 01:21 PM	#10
RRGHOST1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: luke standing Location: england Watch: Rolex TT SubC Blue Posts: 3,992	Mine had a special ordered black bezel insert but the green tag showed it was a 16710RB which ment it was changed to black at Rolex from a Pepsi,i changed it to a Pepsi,at no extra cost. __________________ RRGHOST1

2 February 2013, 01:24 PM	#11
sandybax "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Tim Location: Florida Watch: No-date Sub Posts: 289	Do not worry, change the bezel to the one you like best and enjoy your watch :) It is a Rolex watch with a Rolex bezel.

2 February 2013, 05:03 PM	#14
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,838	That price is steep. I wouldn't consider a swapped bezel changing the watch at all. Bezel inserts are really disposable parts after all. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

2 February 2013, 05:38 PM	#15
rolexjc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham City Posts: 143	R16710A30B7879.... The A at the middle means coke?

2 February 2013, 05:45 PM	#16
sierra11b "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Eric Location: California Watch: MkXVIII, 3570.50 Posts: 1,966	Correct.

2 February 2013, 05:56 PM	#18
HRV "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Andrew Location: johannesburg Watch: ROLEX Posts: 4,407	Good info

3 February 2013, 12:05 AM	#19
Ozzy12 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 205	Just buy the watch, buy the inserts and be happy. Pick up a jubilee bracelet while you are at it.

3 February 2013, 12:36 AM	#20
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,308	That seems like a fairly excessive price for a GMT II. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

3 February 2013, 01:09 AM	#21
Roller07 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: GMT -5 Watch: HulkPepsiCoke Posts: 2,364	No it would not be an authentic Pepsi because the style # on the papers would not match the build of the watch. The style # on my GMT-II Pepsi is R16710B30B7879.

3 February 2013, 01:12 AM	#22
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 6,984	Yes, seems pricey, but it's at a retailer. Assuming that it's a fairly recent serial number and comes with all paperwork, boxes, etc ... and with an extra insert, closer to $5K is probably a fairer price, keeping in mind that it's a discontinued model whose appeal will only continue to grow. I might throw in a little more if it comes with a warranty and/or a service. I wouldn't worry about the "authentic Pepsi" debate. It would be fine in my book. A NATO strap isn't correct on a Rolex, either, but many of us do it. Anything that can be swapped fairly easily is fine, and a Pepsi looks great. Good luck either way.

3 February 2013, 02:04 AM	#23
ploprofgibbs Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Stephen Location: Greater Boston Watch: PloprofPO007Apo11 Posts: 7	I have found a 1675 with a Pepsi bezel. 1971 box and papers. Hong Kong bought. Can purchase it for $6,800 USD. Intertested if anyone has comments on whether this is a legit watch (by looking at the picture) and a good deal? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater

3 February 2013, 03:04 AM	#24
raymo Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Raymond Location: Rhode Island USA Watch: Omega PO Posts: 2	Thanks all. Greatly appreciated.

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