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DJJon · 22 February 2013, 12:43 PM

I decided to manually wind my 16 month old Caliber 3135 Datejust the 'full 40 winds' I had always understood the DJ could not be overwound.

All of a sudden while winding, the rotation was no longer gave that beautiful tactile feedback smooth resistance. Now it sort of vibrates and feels 'scratchy'.

Did I actually break the darn thing?

Under warranty so that's good.

Speed · 22 February 2013, 12:45 PM

Maybe.

Take it in.

FeelingTheBlues · 22 February 2013, 12:48 PM

I believe that's what happens when the watch is fully wound. Instead of stopping, the crown still turns but it's more stiff as you are not moving the mainspring anymore (I'm not sure about the details but I wouldn't worry about it, it does that with mine as well when it's fully wound).

P.S.: As far as I know you cannot actually overwind a watch, what happens is that the mainspring could be stuck in the fully wound position because of the dried grease so you cannot wind it more but it cannot make the movement run. Perhaps someone can correct me on that but I believe that's what happens when people think a watch has been overwound, most of the times it just needs a service.

sub-eddie · 22 February 2013, 12:49 PM

That is normal to some degree. The more you wind the "tougher" it will get yet still a little soft. You may hear a little clicking noise which is also normal. JUst check the amount of time your watch will work- such as how many hours it will run after this full wound you just gave it. Do a test and make sure it runs around 40 hours or so; if it does, you should be in good shape. If it stops running after a few minutes then the main spring broke but very unlikely....but if it did break....then you no longer have reason to live. J/K

jolimont · 22 February 2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJon

I decided to manually wind my 16 month old Caliber 3135 Datejust the 'full 40 winds' I had always understood the DJ could not be overwound.

All of a sudden while winding, the rotation was no longer gave that beautiful tactile feedback smooth resistance. Now it sort of vibrates and feels 'scratchy'.

Did I actually break the darn thing?

Under warranty so that's good.

you need to keep winding, sometimes it locks or grinds- make sure you force the crown around, let us know how you go

rodrob59 · 22 February 2013, 01:18 PM

Set it aside for a day, then try again. And remember 40 is the magic number when winding a fully stopped Rolex.

JohnBoy · 22 February 2013, 01:22 PM

If you can sense that the watch is rougher than it was, and it continues to be, something has changed internally. Its tough to diagnose if it keeps good time and the power reserve is not reduced. A critical problem may not be imminent, but if its seriously overdue for a service, you might work one into the budget pretty soon. The mainspring will be changed as part of the routine. Good luck!

DJJon · 23 February 2013, 11:02 AM

Update: Took it back to the AD where I bought it. He immediately said it should go back to RSC as it is under warranty, and he thinks a gear lost a tooth in the winding mechanism train.

Told him I am not pleased to have to be without it for upwards of 6+ weeks for a trip to the RSC, and he offered to write a letter saying I was very unhappy with Rolex and a plea for them to 'fast track it'. WOW - that's what I want to hear from my AD !

Anyhow I think I will just walk into the NYC RSC and ask them to evaluate and hopefully agree to get it done somewhat quicker and not pull take the AD up on his offer unless I hear really bad news with respect to turnaround time.

I'll keep the Forum posted, but it will be a while til I get the free time to head in. Right now it is keeping perfect time and has a full power reserve.

kcmo · 23 February 2013, 11:11 AM

Let us know what happens Jon. Hope it gets resolved quickly.

DJJon · 25 February 2013, 12:48 PM

Fellow TRF Members - VERY pleased to report the issue has resolved itself by letting the watch wind down on its own until out of power. Tried re-winding, super-smooth as before. I guess the fact that the watch was actually at or near wound when I foolishly tried to give it a 'full 40 winds' must have torqued the mainspring to a level it never imagined it would reach.

So all's well that ends well and no trip needed to the RSC !

PTL.

kcmo · 25 February 2013, 12:52 PM

Good to hear Jon

22 February 2013, 12:43 PM	#1
DJJon "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Jon Location: USA Watch: DJ - Need Sub Bad Posts: 1,889	HELP! Manual Winding no longer smooth I decided to manually wind my 16 month old Caliber 3135 Datejust the 'full 40 winds' I had always understood the DJ could not be overwound. All of a sudden while winding, the rotation was no longer gave that beautiful tactile feedback smooth resistance. Now it sort of vibrates and feels 'scratchy'. Did I actually break the darn thing? Under warranty so that's good.

22 February 2013, 12:48 PM	#3
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	I believe that's what happens when the watch is fully wound. Instead of stopping, the crown still turns but it's more stiff as you are not moving the mainspring anymore (I'm not sure about the details but I wouldn't worry about it, it does that with mine as well when it's fully wound). P.S.: As far as I know you cannot actually overwind a watch, what happens is that the mainspring could be stuck in the fully wound position because of the dried grease so you cannot wind it more but it cannot make the movement run. Perhaps someone can correct me on that but I believe that's what happens when people think a watch has been overwound, most of the times it just needs a service. __________________ Mon corps c'est un pays en guerre sur l'point d'finir, Le général de l'armée de terre s'attend au pire, J'ai faim, j'ai frette, je suis trop faible pour me lever debout, On va hisser le drapeau blanc un point c'est tout. - André Fortin

22 February 2013, 12:49 PM	#4
sub-eddie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Dr. Eddie Location: Texas Watch: 116610LN Posts: 222	That is normal to some degree. The more you wind the "tougher" it will get yet still a little soft. You may hear a little clicking noise which is also normal. JUst check the amount of time your watch will work- such as how many hours it will run after this full wound you just gave it. Do a test and make sure it runs around 40 hours or so; if it does, you should be in good shape. If it stops running after a few minutes then the main spring broke but very unlikely....but if it did break....then you no longer have reason to live. J/K Last edited by sub-eddie; 22 February 2013 at 12:52 PM.. Reason: minor details added

22 February 2013, 01:18 PM	#6
rodrob59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Rod Location: Atlanta, GA Watch: YG DD 18238 Posts: 1,540	Set it aside for a day, then try again. And remember 40 is the magic number when winding a fully stopped Rolex. __________________ I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made. -Franklin D. Roosevelt

22 February 2013, 12:45 PM	#2
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Maybe. Take it in.

22 February 2013, 01:22 PM	#7
JohnBoy "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: John Location: Seattle, WA USA Watch: Rolex - a few! Posts: 1,472	If you can sense that the watch is rougher than it was, and it continues to be, something has changed internally. Its tough to diagnose if it keeps good time and the power reserve is not reduced. A critical problem may not be imminent, but if its seriously overdue for a service, you might work one into the budget pretty soon. The mainspring will be changed as part of the routine. Good luck!

23 February 2013, 11:02 AM	#8
DJJon "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Jon Location: USA Watch: DJ - Need Sub Bad Posts: 1,889	Update: Took it back to the AD where I bought it. He immediately said it should go back to RSC as it is under warranty, and he thinks a gear lost a tooth in the winding mechanism train. Told him I am not pleased to have to be without it for upwards of 6+ weeks for a trip to the RSC, and he offered to write a letter saying I was very unhappy with Rolex and a plea for them to 'fast track it'. WOW - that's what I want to hear from my AD ! Anyhow I think I will just walk into the NYC RSC and ask them to evaluate and hopefully agree to get it done somewhat quicker and not pull take the AD up on his offer unless I hear really bad news with respect to turnaround time. I'll keep the Forum posted, but it will be a while til I get the free time to head in. Right now it is keeping perfect time and has a full power reserve.

23 February 2013, 11:11 AM	#9
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Let us know what happens Jon. Hope it gets resolved quickly.

25 February 2013, 12:48 PM	#10
DJJon "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Jon Location: USA Watch: DJ - Need Sub Bad Posts: 1,889	Fellow TRF Members - VERY pleased to report the issue has resolved itself by letting the watch wind down on its own until out of power. Tried re-winding, super-smooth as before. I guess the fact that the watch was actually at or near wound when I foolishly tried to give it a 'full 40 winds' must have torqued the mainspring to a level it never imagined it would reach. So all's well that ends well and no trip needed to the RSC ! PTL.

25 February 2013, 12:52 PM	#11
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Good to hear Jon

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