p.9000 running fast

[mborkow]

It looks like my new 305 is gaining time. The first 24 hours it seemed to be fine (+2 seconds) but I wasn't really that focused on its timekeeping and I might not have timed it correctly. Then this afternoon I noticed it gaining significantly more time while waiting for my flight to land. At the moment, it looks like it's ~+2 seconds per hour. I am thinking that I should give the movement a few weeks (4 - 6) to see if it is just breaking in (I've read that p.9000s sometimes run fast during their initial break-in). OTOH, 2 seconds an hour is pretty fast...the watch has 2 years of warranty so I am not overly concerned; I am sure Panerai/Shreve will stand behind a brand new watch. Should I be patient and see if the watch corrects or should I just take it in tomorrow and let professionals sort it out? Any idea on how long Panerai will take to get the watch back to me?

[kilyung]

If it's a M serial then it may need service. PASC takes about 6 weeks in my experience.

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by kilyung

If it's a M serial then it may need service. PASC takes about 6 weeks in my experience.

It is an M serial. Was there something with that series that required a service? I was thinking of taking it to the RSC to see if they'd check if it was magnetized (and if it is to demagnetize it)...

[kilyung]

A M serial would be around 2009-2010 so it's been sitting for a while. I'm guessing it wouldn't hurt to have it checked out. PASC (RSC is Rolex) should have it sorted quickly.

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by kilyung

A M serial would be around 2009-2010 so it's been sitting for a while. I'm guessing it wouldn't hurt to have it checked out. PASC (RSC is Rolex) should have it sorted quickly.

PASC is in Texas, right? Or does Shreve have the ability to do light servicing on a watch? I was thinking of going to the RSC because it is in San Francisco and I just had them do a full service done on a watch that I picked up last week so I think they'll remember me and look at the watch as a favor even though it's a Panerai (and since I am just asking if it is magnetized which I'd imagine they can do pretty easily).

[kilyung]

PASC is in Ft Worth and while Shreve can probably work on the older ETA movements they have to send all in-house movements to PASC.

RSC will only work on Rolex/Tudor watch.

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by kilyung

PASC is in Ft Worth and while Shreve can probably work on the older ETA movements they have to send all in-house movements to PASC.

RSC will only work on Rolex/Tudor watch.

This is the independent RSC...I think Giovanni can do it (if he wants). I know the receptionist there (we grew up in the same town in MA) and it's in the same building as Shreve...and if they say no I won't be upset...but I don't think they'll say no to the request to test if a watch is magnetized especially since I've done a few services there over the years. That can be done without opening the case right?

[mborkow]

a few more data points:
- I reset the time yesterday at ~4 PM. By 9 PM it was 25 seconds fast. That means it had gained 5 seconds per hour!
- Overnight, it is now 7 AM, so 10 hours, it gained only ~3 seconds total. So it is now 28 seconds fast.
Either the rate at which it is gaining time is slowing or something about me wearing the watch (position, temperature, etc) is causing it to speed up...
I think I'll give the watch a few more days before I take it in to anyone. If I have to send it in, I'd rather not do that just yet as I am enjoying wearing it too much at the moment :-)

[travisb]

I'd give it some more time and see if it might work itself out.
Enjoy wearing that beautiful beast!

[p_mcgee]

Wait a little longer. My old 177 was timing all over the place for the first couple of weeks, then settled into the +5/day range. Not sure why.

[mborkow]

I called Shreve. They asked me to bring in the watch to check if it was magnetized. Their watchmaker said it was slightly...but that he could see some other piece of the movement, regulator (I think he said), wasn't functioning correctly and that their watchmaker advised sending it to PASC rather than waiting to see if the watch settled. So Shreve is packaging it up and sending it to the PASC. Shreve said they would attempt to expedite the work...but I don't know if they can really make that happen so I am guessing it will be 4 - 8 weeks (based on what I've read here and on other forums). I guess I'll have to wait a little while to wear it again but I figured I had to go with what the watchmaker advised.

[travisb]

Hopeful for a quick return.
Like getting a new one all over again.

[mborkow]

Just got the watch back today...but I still think it's fast. It's gained 5 seconds since I got it less than 2 hours ago.

[PanosI]

Originally Posted by mborkow

Just got the watch back today...but I still think it's fast. It's gained 5 seconds since I got it less than 2 hours ago.

Glad you take it back.

What was the problem?

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by PanosI

Glad you take it back.

What was the problem?

I'm not that happy to have it back since it still isn't keeping good time...they didn't say; they just performed a maintenance service.

I am going to re-set the watch and fully wind it and see how it does over the next few hours...

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by mborkow

Just got the watch back today...but I still think it's fast. It's gained 5 seconds since I got it less than 2 hours ago.

Just wear the 372 and don't worry about the seconds.

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Just wear the 372 and don't worry about the seconds.

My 372 keeps amazing time. In two months it doesn't appear to have lost or gained any time.

[mborkow]

What do you guys think...wait to see if the watch settles or send it back?

[kilyung]

Wait and see for a few days.

[PanosI]

Meanwhile wear it 24/7.


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[mborkow]

So, I reset it 5 hours ago and it is now ~20 seconds fast...+4 seconds per hour. I think that's worse than it was before I sent it to PASC. I can see from the books that a "maintenance service" was completed though no components were replaced. Anyone know what that entails? Was the movement cleaned, inspected, timed, and replaced in the watch? I can see they ran 2 set of timings on the watch and that both of them were within tolerance...so how can it be that it is running so fast now?

[PanosI]

Originally Posted by mborkow

So, I reset it 5 hours ago and it is now ~20 seconds fast...+4 seconds per hour. I think that's worse than it was before I sent it to PASC. I can see from the books that a "maintenance service" was completed though no components were replaced. Anyone know what that entails? Was the movement cleaned, inspected, timed, and replaced in the watch? I can see they ran 2 set of timings on the watch and that both of them were within tolerance...so how can it be that it is running so fast now?

If the first timing has been made before the cleaned and lubed of the P.9000 and the second timing after that, you will notice a big difference in the indications of amplitude in the dial up position, something like from around 200 in the first timing to around 300 in the second timing.

If I was you before I send it back to service center, I would go to a watchmaker with a timing machine and a demagnetiser to verify my suspicions in real time.

I am not a watchmaker, I just had same issues with my P.9000.


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[mborkow]

Originally Posted by PanosI

If the first timing has been made before the cleaned and lubed of the P.9000 and the second timing after that, you will notice a big difference in the indications of amplitude in the dial up position, something like from around 200 in the first timing to around 300 in the second timing.

If I was you before I send it back to service center, I would go to a watchmaker with a timing machine and a demagnetiser to verify my suspicions in real time.

I am not a watchmaker, I just had same issues with my P.9000.


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The two timings to which I was referring are the standard two that they do for the movement before they ship the watch (not a before and after).

What was the problem with your p.9000? Was it simply magnetized?

BTW, the watch is now +26 seconds. So overnight it gained about 0.5 seconds per hour...that's still too much --but a lot less than the 4 seconds it was gaining each hour while I was wearing it! I'll have to see if the rate of gain increases while it is worn today.

[PanosI]

Originally Posted by mborkow

The two timings to which I was referring are the standard two that they do for the movement before they ship the watch (not a before and after).

What was the problem with your p.9000? Was it simply magnetized?

BTW, the watch is now +26 seconds. So overnight it gained about 0.5 seconds per hour...that's still too much --but a lot less than the 4 seconds it was gaining each hour while I was wearing it! I'll have to see if the rate of gain increases while it is worn today.

I see.

Wear it 24/7 for a couple of weeks.

Go to a watchmaker to verify that is not magnetized and also check it with a timing machine.

In my P.9000 the rotor didn't charge the power reserve. Because of the 72 PR and the rotation that i wear my watches, i never realized it until i borrowed my watch to a buddy that wore it non stop. He found out that after 72 hours of constant wearing the watch it stopped !! So off it went to Panerai Service Center in Milano, 4 months before the warranty expires and came back fixed.

Altough i had the paper receipt with the indications from the timing machine that was showing the watch was +4 sec/day (after the repair), the watch was going +25 sec/day. I went to the local repair panerai service in Athens and they verified that is running too fast, demagnetised it and after that went to +4 as it should be.

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by PanosI

I see.

Wear it 24/7 for a couple of weeks.

Go to a watchmaker to verify that is not magnetized and also check it with a timing machine.

In my P.9000 the rotor didn't charge the power reserve. Because of the 72 PR and the rotation that i wear my watches, i never realized it until i borrowed my watch to a buddy that wore it non stop. He found out that after 72 hours of constant wearing the watch it stopped !! So off it went to Panerai Service Center in Milano, 4 months before the warranty expires and came back fixed.

Altough i had the paper receipt with the indications from the timing machine that was showing the watch was +4 sec/day (after the repair), the watch was going +25 sec/day. I went to the local repair panerai service in Athens and they verified that is running too fast, demagnetised it and after that went to +4 as it should be.

Interesting...is it common for a watch to be magnetized when it is shipped?

In my case, I think the rotor is winding the watch because when I lay the watch on its face (so I am looking at its back) and wind it, I can see the rotor oscillating (which I presume is because it is attached to the winding mechanism).

[kilyung]

Sounds like it needs to go back.

[mborkow]

And I am now back to +4 seconds an hour since my watch has gained 4 seconds since I put it on this AM... Any thoughts on why the watch at rest, face up, overnight only gains 0.5 seconds an hour but when worn runs +4 seconds an hour?

[PanosI]

Originally Posted by mborkow

Interesting...is it common for a watch to be magnetized when it is shipped?

In my case, I think the rotor is winding the watch because when I lay the watch on its face (so I am looking at its back) and wind it, I can see the rotor oscillating (which I presume is because it is attached to the winding mechanism).

I don't know but since its passing through the airport's scanner, it can happened.

After a full wind of the watch (40-50 full revolutions of the crown), the rotor must be very tight in his turns. If it's loose and rounds freely, then you have the problem i described.

Originally Posted by mborkow

And I am now back to +4 seconds an hour since my watch has gained 4 seconds since I put it on this AM... Any thoughts on why the watch at rest, face up, overnight only gains 0.5 seconds an hour but when worn runs +4 seconds an hour?

The more actively you wear the watch, the more seconds it gains.
When i had the watch fully wound (40-50 full revolutions of the crown) and wore it constantly, it was in the +4, +5 range. When i had the watch half wound (20 full revolutions of the crown) and wore it constaly, it was in the 0, +1 range.


I had to do all these after it returned from the service center in order to check : a) that the PR was 72+ hours (fully wound and leave it in the drawer with noted the time and date), b) that when is worn the rotor charges the PR, c) how it behaves when it is fully wound and worn normally and d) how it behaves when it is half wound and worn normally.

With a PR of 3+ days, you can understand that it takes some time to perform all these tests.

[mborkow]

Originally Posted by PanosI

the rotor must be very tight in his turns. If it's loose and rounds freely, then you have the problem i described

My rotor does not turn that freely...it is what I would call jerky in it's movements and it makes a pretty loud sound when it turns (like a small ratcheting sound)

[PanosI]

Originally Posted by mborkow

My rotor does not turn that freely...it is what I would call jerky in it's movements and it makes a pretty loud sound when it turns (like a small ratcheting sound)

It's because the watch is wound. That's the sound of the P.9000 !