Tesla Stock

[superdog]

I have seen some of the comments back and forth from you guys, and some of you really appear to know what you are doing.

I am curious what you guys think about Tesla. I love what the company is doing and would really like to jump on board. It is not cheap, but I have to imagine these guys are just going to keep innovating and growing.

Besides, their cars are simply the highest rated car ever at this point. I can't imagine it is not a safe bet.

With them now trying to change how we use energy, I feel like they could absolutely explode.

Any thoughts?

[mannyv11]

I can honestly say I am very interested in the technology that they revealed yesterday.
With that being said I can't really afford a Tesla car but the price point for this new tech and the way it could potentially be used could be a real game changer in the next 5-10 years.

Musk made a very good point especially in undeveloped countries being able to use it since there are no real grids set up yet in those regions.

with that being said I really could see this technology changing our we use our power grid, and with a lot of people being concerned with climate change etc I think this is the perfect time for tesla to introduce this type of tech.

[Danny83]

Tesla is a great way to invest http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/1/852...ockstar-savior , I would not think twice looks like this is going to be big.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Danny83

Tesla is a great way to invest http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/1/852...ockstar-savior , I would not think twice looks like this is going to be big.

great. article.

thank you,

[superdog]

Great points Manny, and that is what I am thinking.

At $225, can it really go up that far? Can money be made from buying this stock?

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by superdog

Great points Manny, and that is what I am thinking.

At $225, can it really go up that far? Can money be made from buying this stock?

a lot of people said the same thing about apple at 100 then 300, then 500 then 700 then the 7/1 split, and not its back in the 120's highs of 134 i think on thursday.

Musk is truly the real deal tony stark, hopefully we are all flying around in personalized iron man armor in the next 10-15 years haha.

I do see the stock really going up especially because word on the street is that over the next couple of years a 30,000 dollar tesla car is supposed to make an appearance which could be even bigger than the other models.

if i could swing the price tag of that stock i would without a doubt.

[Pix]

When i read speculation with what he wants to do to get homes off the grid with an alternate power source, and if he can apply that to what he has done with the car, I would think he could be the next Steve Jobs.

[69mach351]

Originally Posted by Pix

When i read speculation with what he wants to do to get homes off the grid with an alternate power source, and if he can apply that to what he has done with the car, I would think he could be the next Steve Jobs.

I would argue that what he is doing/attempting/may do, is a lot bigger than Jobs. Just my opinion though. I could see it being argued.

[Kingair]

Stock jumped 20 % . . .

[tkerrmd]

not sure about buying the stock but probably getting there solar powered home battery!

[SrFADE]

Depends on what you want out of your portfolio. Currently, TSLA is a speculative stock; negative earnings, negative profit margin, negative ROE, negative ROA, negative ROC, basically no investment fundamentals. If you like gambling, great time to buy. Book value is just over $7.00 per share vs. market price of $220 per share. The "Tesla Energy" hype is just that. Solar energy capture and storage in battery sets is ancient technology, Tesla has just substituted Lithium Ion for Lead Acid. Full manufacturing stream for Li Ion batteries has its own set of environmental problems. I have my money placed elsewhere and am perfectly happy missing a potential speculative run-up of this company. The comparison to Steve Jobs is laughable. Jobs actually designed and profitably sold products. Musk has a long way to go to reach that objective.

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

Depends on what you want out of your portfolio. Currently, TSLA is a speculative stock; negative earnings, negative profit margin, negative ROE, negative ROA, negative ROC, basically no investment fundamentals. If you like gambling, great time to buy. Book value is just over $7.00 per share vs. market price of $220 per share. The "Tesla Energy" hype is just that. Solar energy capture and storage in battery sets is ancient technology, Tesla has just substituted Lithium Ion for Lead Acid. Full manufacturing stream for Li Ion batteries has its own set of environmental problems. I have my money placed elsewhere and am perfectly happy missing a potential speculative run-up of this company. The comparison to Steve Jobs is laughable. Jobs actually designed and profitably sold products. Musk has a long way to go to reach that objective.

Jobs "designed ", I think not , he employed designers in house and out. Jobs was the PT Barnum of tech. As far as profits, he lost a lot of money in the early days of Apple, then got fired. Little known fact, he had little skin in the Apple company, his wealth came from Pixar not Apple. We won't get into his humanity or lack there of.

[SrFADE]

Originally Posted by cornerstore

Jobs "designed ", I think not , he employed designers in house and out. Jobs was the PT Barnum of tech. As far as profits, he lost a lot of money in the early days of Apple, then got fired. Little know fact, he had little skin in the Apple company, his wealth came from Pixar not Apple. We won't get into his humanity or lack there of.

Jobs = Apple Cook is going to have his head handed to him because of his clear inability to drive/inspire/scare his teams to produce great products.

I seriously doubt Musk is down in the CAD room "designing" his overpriced/huckster promoted products either.

[nocrown]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

Jobs = Apple Cook is going to have his head handed to him because of his clear inability to drive/inspire/scare his teams to produce great products.

I seriously doubt Musk is down in the CAD room "designing" his overpriced/huckster promoted products either.

the voice of reason here -- i am totally shocked i'd be reading this in a Rolex forum¡¡¡¡ pleasantly surprised. and oh crAAPL is beyond overpriced as stock and totally decoupled from fundamentals, the upcoming tax scandal notwithstanding...

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

Jobs = Apple Cook is going to have his head handed to him because of his clear inability to drive/inspire/scare his teams to produce great products.

I seriously doubt Musk is down in the CAD room "designing" his overpriced/huckster promoted products either.

I'll give you that, Jobs was a bully who scared people. Tesla freely opens its patents to others, how is Apple doing in that regard.

[SrFADE]

Originally Posted by cornerstore

I'll give you that, Jobs was a bully who scared people. Tesla freely opens its patents to others, how is Apple doing in that regard.

Doesn't matter. This started as a business/investing discussion, not a comparison of perceived or real philanthropy on the part of a corporation. As a shareholder in a company, I expect a return on my investment - either long term or short term, depending on what part of the portfolio it resides in. Frankly, I expect the company that I invest in, to do what's best for the shareholders - if that means keeping control of the patents that were generated from the capital I provided to the company, then so be it. I leave philanthropy up to the organizations to which I provide contributions for those stated purposes.

[nocrown]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

Depends on what you want out of your portfolio. Currently, TSLA is a speculative stock; negative earnings, negative profit margin, negative ROE, negative ROA, negative ROC, basically no investment fundamentals. If you like gambling, great time to buy. Book value is just over $7.00 per share vs. market price of $220 per share. The "Tesla Energy" hype is just that. Solar energy capture and storage in battery sets is ancient technology, Tesla has just substituted Lithium Ion for Lead Acid. Full manufacturing stream for Li Ion batteries has its own set of environmental problems. I have my money placed elsewhere and am perfectly happy missing a potential speculative run-up of this company. The comparison to Steve Jobs is laughable. Jobs actually designed and profitably sold products. Musk has a long way to go to reach that objective.

correct. not a single (gaap) profitable quarter to date (like amazon). and given current tech, a tesla burns more fossil fuels per mile traveled than regular car...

the ponzi "market" pushing all time highs is only due to central banks pumping 22 TRILLION in "assets" since 2008 into this thing with over 70mos of ZIRP here in Merika and bunds going neg... think about what you are "investing" in.... LOL

[azguy]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

Depends on what you want out of your portfolio. Currently, TSLA is a speculative stock; negative earnings, negative profit margin, negative ROE, negative ROA, negative ROC, basically no investment fundamentals. If you like gambling, great time to buy. Book value is just over $7.00 per share vs. market price of $220 per share. The "Tesla Energy" hype is just that............

well said

[cornerstore]

Musk says the stock is overvalued ,he should know. Its high on short squeeze not fundamentals .

[Laszlo]

I think there are two things working against Tesla right now. They have new competition, coming out of Germany. And the Tesla Model S needs a major design refresh. It's seemingly been out forever. And it's getting dated. Personally, I wouldn't buy because the captital required to navigate around just these two factors is extremely high.

[RollieVerde]

Toyota has a hydrogen powered car that consumers will be able to buy later this year for under $50K. You refuel it like a regular car at a refilling station in about 5 minutes, every 300 miles or so. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and even cattle crap can be used for fuel. There is no battery; electric power is developed on board and the H tanks are bomb proof. Very interesting technology, and all it needs is the infrastructure which will take a few years. Food for thought.

[nocrown]

if ur considering TSLA, then i think u should go all in UNCRN (unicorn). ..

[superdog]

[QUOTE=nocrown;5809706]if ur considering TSLA, then i think u should go all in UNCRN (unicorn)

I kind of feel bad for you. On a few levels.

[nocrown]

[QUOTE=superdog;5809770]

Originally Posted by nocrown

if ur considering TSLA, then i think u should go all in UNCRN (unicorn)

I kind of feel bad for you. On a few levels.

u can only feel bad for me if u cant see (the ponzi).... so dont feel too bad for me, on any levels, seen and unseen...

edit: oh and note that it "only" took 22 trillion in central bank "assets" to get the NASDAQ back at par (inflation adjusted) since 15year ago bubble levels.

i know facts are despised, esp at ALL TIME STOCK "MARKET" HIGHS, but hell, i was scoffed in 2007 too.....

[brandrea]

I view these companies as more of a speculative investment and it would only represent a very small holding % in my portfolio. Nothing wrong with it I suppose, but high beta stocks can be very volatile.

I guess it all depends on what type of investment you are after.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I view these companies as more of a speculative investment and it would only represent a very small holding % in my portfolio. Nothing wrong with it I suppose, but high beta stocks can be very volatile.

I guess it all depends on what type of investment you are after.

It would represent not even 5% of my portfolio.

I'm typically super conservative in any type of investments. I tend to build most of my worth based on entrepreneurial pursuits.

There is just something about this company. I like what they are doing. And yes, I realise I'm gambling, but I'd love to find the next apple or Google stock.

[alubin]

I know this will go against most of the opinions here, but so far as investments go I have been looking to and attempting to short TSLA shares for months now but this is next to impossible and the options are expensive as well. I just don't see the upside that everybody else seems to...

[nocrown]

Originally Posted by alubin

I know this will go against most of the opinions here, but so far as investments go I have been looking to and attempting to short TSLA shares for months now but this is next to impossible and the options are expensive as well. I just don't see the upside that everybody else seems to...

logically and w/ due diligence re fundamentals, you are absolutely correct in wanting to short it. but bc we live in a centrally planned more at rigged "market", for now, that is, i would not short just yet.....

[alubin]

Originally Posted by nocrown

logically and w/ due diligence re fundamentals, you are absolutely correct in wanting to short it. but bc we live in a centrally planned more at rigged "market", for now, that is, i would not short just yet.....

I have yet to find the shares to short so there is no point in speculating, lets just say that my optimal time to short was months ago though I would still have to consider it should the opportunity arise.

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by alubin

I know this will go against most of the opinions here, but so far as investments go I have been looking to and attempting to short TSLA shares for months now but this is next to impossible and the options are expensive as well. I just don't see the upside that everybody else seems to...

I agree , the shorts have been squeezed hard and paying a premium if they can find stock to borrow to short. Problem with shorting, your downside is unlimited the upside is not worth the risk vs the reward.