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DAZ666 · 5 June 2008, 05:02 PM

G'day Guys,

I need some advice please? I have just aquired a Rolex that is marked as a Precision Cosmograph. The serial number is 464XXXX (not sure if I should put the entire number?) I had my watchmaker open the case-back and it has a genuine signed Rolex 17 jewel manual wind movement.

It has two sub-dials and the date at the 6 o'clock mark. It runs beautifully and the flyback function is perfect. It is gold with a gold dial and black registers. I am not familiar with this model at all?

The problem I have is that the model number is 1601, which is for a datejust if I am not mistaken? Please have a look at photos I have just added http://www.daz.com.au/cosmograph.html

The pics are huge when you open the thumbnails so you can see detail, so be patient as they load.

Any info is appreciated? I want to make sure of what I have before I throw it on eBay or elsewhere for sale.

Cheers,

Daz

Lol-x · 6 June 2008, 01:20 AM

Hi Daz
I think you need to maybe take your watch to Rolex to get it checked out...........I haven't seen one like that before.

I can not say for sure but it isn't a 1601 Datejust.

SPACE-DWELLER · 6 June 2008, 01:25 AM

I hope you did not pay too much for it!

Thanks for sharing the pics!

Dan Pierce · 6 June 2008, 01:44 AM

Never seen that example before.

It's either extremely rare or a fake.

Hope it's the latter.

dP

cmcm3 · 6 June 2008, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Never seen that example before.

It's either extremely rare or a fake.

Hope it's the latter.

dP

I hope you mean the former?!?!

Dan Pierce · 6 June 2008, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmcm3

I hope you mean the former?!?!

DOH!

Very true.

dP

Welshwatchman · 6 June 2008, 02:55 AM

I have never seen anything like this watch before.

That's all I have to say.

TempoKing · 6 June 2008, 03:32 AM

A Cosmograph with a date at six is a rare animal these days.

This watch was a special order by an African Bamboula king, when the Rolex representative delivered the watch, he (the rep) looked like an old school mate of the king, who in the past and while at boarding school in Switzerland he bullied the king as a boy, god knows what else was going on in these boarding schools.
Anyway he par boiled the rep as if he was some shoulder cut of beef and eat him, in the mean time the watch was lost and apparently it surfaced in Australia (which is really right next door to Africa some say part of it at one time), and you have found it, possibly priceless with all the meaning of the word.
Hopefully I have been of help
Best regards
Anastasios

jac67 · 6 June 2008, 09:03 AM

I mean no disrespect to Anastasios, and if you have any further information with supporting pictures Tasos, that will be great.

But I will go out on my own here and say that this watch is a COMPLETE fake!

Firstly, the movement is completely wrong.
Case is completely wrong.
Caseback is completely wrong.
Crown is completely wrong.
Pushers are completely wrong.
Dial is completely wrong.
Model 1601 is completely wrong.

I hope you can get you money back on this. I honestly think it a fake.

You may also wish to post on VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum), but I'm sure Mike and Padi (here) will agree with me.

Keep us posted and good luck.

John.

SPACE-DWELLER · 6 June 2008, 09:10 AM

I believe Anastasios was kidding with his hilarious story about the African Bamboula king and the parboiled Rolex representative!

TempoKing · 6 June 2008, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

I believe Anastasios was kidding with his hilarious story about the African Bamboula king and the parboiled Rolex representative!

Bo
By now you know me so well....LOL
BB
Anastasios

roadcarver · 6 June 2008, 02:06 PM

Don't think that Daytonas came with a date at all. Most likely not the real deal.

mike · 6 June 2008, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jac67

I mean no disrespect to Anastasios, and if you have any further information with supporting pictures Tasos, that will be great.

But I will go out on my own here and say that this watch is a COMPLETE fake!

Firstly, the movement is completely wrong.
Case is completely wrong.
Caseback is completely wrong.
Crown is completely wrong.
Pushers are completely wrong.
Dial is completely wrong.
Model 1601 is completely wrong.

I hope you can get you money back on this. I honestly think it a fake.

You may also wish to post on VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum), but I'm sure Mike and Padi (here) will agree with me.

Keep us posted and good luck.

John.

X2.

DAZ666 · 6 June 2008, 09:24 AM

Thanks Guys,

I hope TempoKing is right. I do recall seeing one ONLY of these before listed for sale, but I cannot remember where? But I am not sure if it was exactly the same? I have asked advice from a few Rolex dealers from Aus and the US via email and I am awaiting a reply.

The story of how I acquired the watch is from a fellow Aussie. He said that he got it from a back street flea market watch dealer in Saigon in 2003 in used condition. He had it for a couple of years and then it stopped, so he put it into Rolex Melbourne for repairs. He got it back and has had it since until I recently bought it. Lets just say that the price I paid was for less than you would pay for a cheap leather band alone!

As far as it possibly being a fake, I don' see it when you think about it? Who would go to the trouble of making a VERY high quality (which it is) fake one off watch? We all know that the fakes are based on the popular models and pumped out in large volumes.

So who would make a one ONLY replica of this? Has anyone ever seen a replica like this? I know I haven't, they are always the Sub, Daytona and so on. So it doesn't make much sense when you think about it in that respect? If it was a cheap and nasty quality than yes I would say ok. But it is not, it is actually a very solid well built high quality watch and the weight is 60 grams. Which is not bad for a watch this size without a band/bracelet.

Any thoughts on these comments?

Thanks

redshirt1957 · 6 June 2008, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAZ666

Thanks Guys,

I hope TempoKing is right. I do recall seeing one ONLY of these before listed for sale, but I cannot remember where? But I am not sure if it was exactly the same? I have asked advice from a few Rolex dealers from Aus and the US via email and I am awaiting a reply.

The story of how I acquired the watch is from a fellow Aussie. He said that he got it from a back street flea market watch dealer in Saigon in 2003 in used condition. He had it for a couple of years and then it stopped, so he put it into Rolex Melbourne for repairs. He got it back and has had it since until I recently bought it. Lets just say that the price I paid was for less than you would pay for a cheap leather band alone!

As far as it possibly being a fake, I don' see it when you think about it? Who would go to the trouble of making a VERY high quality (which it is) fake one off watch? We all know that the fakes are based on the popular models and pumped out in large volumes.

So who would make a one ONLY replica of this? Has anyone ever seen a replica like this? I know I haven't, they are always the Sub, Daytona and so on. So it doesn't make much sense when you think about it in that respect? If it was a cheap and nasty quality than yes I would say ok. But it is not, it is actually a very solid well built high quality watch and the weight is 60 grams. Which is not bad for a watch this size without a band/bracelet.

Any thoughts on these comments?

Thanks

Only thing I can say at this time is stay away from boiling water when wearing the watch...just in case.

. Hope all ends well.

DAZ666 · 6 June 2008, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redshirt1957

Only thing I can say at this time is stay away from boiling water when wearing the watch...just in case.

. Hope all ends well.

Not sure what that means, please explain?

DAZ666 · 6 June 2008, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redshirt1957

Only thing I can say at this time is stay away from boiling water when wearing the watch...just in case.

. Hope all ends well.

Don't worry, I get it now. A bit slow in the mornings!

redshirt1957 · 6 June 2008, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAZ666

Don't worry, I get it now. A bit slow in the mornings!

Thanks. I meant no harm.

Jocke · 6 June 2008, 10:37 AM

At least it shows correct time twice a day.

Jocke

TempoKing · 6 June 2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAZ666

Don't worry, I get it now. A bit slow in the mornings!

I thought it would have been better to write a "story" that was so far fetched that would have made you smile
and realise that even diamonds are really carbon...lol
I do admit that my humor is rather dry.
All the best to you.....

Anastasios

DAZ666 · 6 June 2008, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TempoKing

I thought it would have been better to write a "story" that was so far fetched that would have made you smile
and realise that even diamonds are really carbon...lol
I do admit that my humor is rather dry.
All the best to you.....

Anastasios

Thanks mate, it was a good story! I am still not convinced that it is a copy though. I don't believe that anyone would go to so much trouble of a high quality watch like this and make it solid gold?

miner · 6 June 2008, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAZ666

Thanks Guys,

.......
He had it for a couple of years and then it stopped, so he put it into Rolex Melbourne for repairs. He got it back and has had it since until I recently bought it.
.......

It is highly unlikely that Rolex would have touched a fake. Do you have the service papers?

DAZ666 · 6 June 2008, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miner

It is highly unlikely that Rolex would have touched a fake. Do you have the service papers?

No, I only have the watch. As for the earlier comment about the gold flaking. It is not flaking it is just the photos pick up every little detail and highlight it. The watch is actually in very good cosmetic condition, for what seems to be an old watch. It has a couple of nicks out of the back of the case and it is still gold right through. So I doubt they would use solid gold on a copy?

CoopJr · 6 June 2008, 12:45 PM

Looks like the "Gold" is flaking off of it...oh dear

Lol-x · 6 June 2008, 02:30 PM

Daz, I think everyone has been pretty kind in their assessment and statements regarding your watch, so as not to offend.

But believe me a couple of guys jac67 and mike know vintage models like the backs of their hands, they eat sleep and breath Rolex, and have done so for many years, and I too would concur with their analysis.

Letsgodiving · 6 June 2008, 02:38 PM

I hope Terry and Steve are watching this. I see a Watchout!!! thread being generated if this goes on Ebay.

jac67 · 6 June 2008, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

I believe Anastasios was kidding with his hilarious story about the African Bamboula king and the parboiled Rolex representative!

Sorry guys, got up 5am with my daughter today, AND my new watch just came in, so I'm a little dizzy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TempoKing

Bo
By now you know me so well....LOL
BB
Anastasios

Funny man.

For a moment there, I thought you'd lost the plot!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Daz, I think everyone has been pretty kind in their assessment and statements regarding your watch, so as not to offend.

But believe me a couple of guys jac67 and mike know vintage models like the backs of their hands, they eat sleep and breath Rolex, and have done so for many years, and I too would concur with their analysis.

Thank you kind sir.

We are all here to learn, so Daz don't take offence, just take some sound advice.........This watch is dodgy!

But like I said previously, post on VRF or even TZ. I'm sure you'll get the same answers, maybe a little less tactful though.

John.

DAZ666 · 6 June 2008, 05:02 PM

I appreciate all the input! Especially the African Prince story, I am sure it gave us all a good laugh.

I know it is not genuine, but it's a good one when you see it in the flesh! I am going to give it to a friend as a gift.

Cheers.

Lol-x · 6 June 2008, 08:40 PM

Now that we all know this piece of junk is a fake there is nothing more to be said about it.
The rules of this forum specifically detest fake watches so there is nothing further to be said.
Please do not post about this fake anymore.
Thank you

5 June 2008, 05:02 PM	#1
DAZ666 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 33	Advice on vintage Rolex cosmograph just aquired G'day Guys, I need some advice please? I have just aquired a Rolex that is marked as a Precision Cosmograph. The serial number is 464XXXX (not sure if I should put the entire number?) I had my watchmaker open the case-back and it has a genuine signed Rolex 17 jewel manual wind movement. It has two sub-dials and the date at the 6 o'clock mark. It runs beautifully and the flyback function is perfect. It is gold with a gold dial and black registers. I am not familiar with this model at all? The problem I have is that the model number is 1601, which is for a datejust if I am not mistaken? Please have a look at photos I have just added http://www.daz.com.au/cosmograph.html The pics are huge when you open the thumbnails so you can see detail, so be patient as they load. Any info is appreciated? I want to make sure of what I have before I throw it on eBay or elsewhere for sale. Cheers, Daz

6 June 2008, 01:20 AM	#2
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,564	Hi Daz I think you need to maybe take your watch to Rolex to get it checked out...........I haven't seen one like that before. I can not say for sure but it isn't a 1601 Datejust. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

6 June 2008, 01:25 AM	#3
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I hope you did not pay too much for it! Thanks for sharing the pics! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

6 June 2008, 01:44 AM	#4
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,189	Never seen that example before. It's either extremely rare or a fake. Hope it's the latter. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

6 June 2008, 02:55 AM	#7
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	I have never seen anything like this watch before. That's all I have to say. __________________ ..33

6 June 2008, 03:32 AM	#8
TempoKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Anastasios Location: Athens Greece Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 8,497	A Cosmograph with a date at six is a rare animal these days. This watch was a special order by an African Bamboula king, when the Rolex representative delivered the watch, he (the rep) looked like an old school mate of the king, who in the past and while at boarding school in Switzerland he bullied the king as a boy, god knows what else was going on in these boarding schools. Anyway he par boiled the rep as if he was some shoulder cut of beef and eat him, in the mean time the watch was lost and apparently it surfaced in Australia (which is really right next door to Africa some say part of it at one time), and you have found it, possibly priceless with all the meaning of the word. Hopefully I have been of help Best regards Anastasios

6 June 2008, 09:03 AM	#9
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	I mean no disrespect to Anastasios, and if you have any further information with supporting pictures Tasos, that will be great. But I will go out on my own here and say that this watch is a COMPLETE fake! Firstly, the movement is completely wrong. Case is completely wrong. Caseback is completely wrong. Crown is completely wrong. Pushers are completely wrong. Dial is completely wrong. Model 1601 is completely wrong. I hope you can get you money back on this. I honestly think it a fake. You may also wish to post on VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum), but I'm sure Mike and Padi (here) will agree with me. Keep us posted and good luck. John.

6 June 2008, 09:10 AM	#10
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I believe Anastasios was kidding with his hilarious story about the African Bamboula king and the parboiled Rolex representative! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

6 June 2008, 02:06 PM	#12
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Don't think that Daytonas came with a date at all. Most likely not the real deal. __________________ I'm just a cook...

6 June 2008, 09:24 AM	#14
DAZ666 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 33	Thanks Guys, I hope TempoKing is right. I do recall seeing one ONLY of these before listed for sale, but I cannot remember where? But I am not sure if it was exactly the same? I have asked advice from a few Rolex dealers from Aus and the US via email and I am awaiting a reply. The story of how I acquired the watch is from a fellow Aussie. He said that he got it from a back street flea market watch dealer in Saigon in 2003 in used condition. He had it for a couple of years and then it stopped, so he put it into Rolex Melbourne for repairs. He got it back and has had it since until I recently bought it. Lets just say that the price I paid was for less than you would pay for a cheap leather band alone! As far as it possibly being a fake, I don' see it when you think about it? Who would go to the trouble of making a VERY high quality (which it is) fake one off watch? We all know that the fakes are based on the popular models and pumped out in large volumes. So who would make a one ONLY replica of this? Has anyone ever seen a replica like this? I know I haven't, they are always the Sub, Daytona and so on. So it doesn't make much sense when you think about it in that respect? If it was a cheap and nasty quality than yes I would say ok. But it is not, it is actually a very solid well built high quality watch and the weight is 60 grams. Which is not bad for a watch this size without a band/bracelet. Any thoughts on these comments? Thanks

6 June 2008, 10:37 AM	#19
Jocke 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,541	At least it shows correct time twice a day. Jocke __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

6 June 2008, 12:45 PM	#24
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	Looks like the "Gold" is flaking off of it...oh dear

6 June 2008, 02:30 PM	#25
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,564	Daz, I think everyone has been pretty kind in their assessment and statements regarding your watch, so as not to offend. But believe me a couple of guys *jac67* and *mike* know vintage models like the backs of their hands, they eat sleep and breath Rolex, and have done so for many years, and I too would concur with their analysis. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

6 June 2008, 02:38 PM	#26
Letsgodiving "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Virginia, US Watch: SD 16600 Posts: 4,319	I hope Terry and Steve are watching this. I see a Watchout!!! thread being generated if this goes on Ebay. __________________ The fool, with all his other faults, has this also - he is always getting ready to live. - Epicurus (341–270 BC)

6 June 2008, 05:02 PM	#28
DAZ666 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 33	Thanks guys I appreciate all the input! Especially the African Prince story, I am sure it gave us all a good laugh. I know it is not genuine, but it's a good one when you see it in the flesh! I am going to give it to a friend as a gift. Cheers.

6 June 2008, 08:40 PM	#29
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,564	Now that we all know this piece of junk is a fake there is nothing more to be said about it. The rules of this forum specifically detest fake watches so there is nothing further to be said. Please do not post about this fake anymore. Thank you __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

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