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2careless · 10 June 2008, 08:17 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=200229000700

jac67 · 10 June 2008, 09:21 PM

You know Kai, when I first saw this auction months ago, I went into his store (not too far from me) and told him my concerns. I inspected the watch, externally and it looks ok, APART FORM THE DIAL.

Seller told me that he has checked it internally, and between the lugs, and it is good.

I told him, no matter what he says to me, the dial is a FAKE, and it would pay him to send it to Rolex for a full service, and replace the dial. This will make it right as well as get Rolex service papers, and hence will get decent money for it.

I asked him what the serial was, and he advised N series. Well I happened to be wearing the Comex that day (which is also an N series), and showed him the differences (apart form the word Comex, of course).

He sort of brushed me off saying that the Comex watches were different.

I repeated what I told him, and ended with: It doesn't bother me whether you sell it or not, but if it sells, you're going to possibly have problems if the watch is submitted to Rolex.

As you can see, it has been for sale on ebay for over SIX months.

Hmmmmmmmm.......................

John.

2careless · 10 June 2008, 10:13 PM

I wouldn't buy the story that the movement is kosher. If the dial is fake, what confidence would I give that the movement is genuine? 0%.

jac67 · 10 June 2008, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

I wouldn't buy the story that the movement is kosher. If the dial is fake, what confidence would I give that the movement is genuine? 0%.

I agree.

John.

sherwin · 11 June 2008, 12:07 AM

the dial looks fine in my eyes, can someone enlighten me as to what actually wrong with this watch?? obviously a n00b

Orchi · 11 June 2008, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seiko.citizen

the dial looks fine in my eyes, can someone enlighten me as to what actually wrong with this watch?? obviously a n00b

Err buddy Sherwin...if Orchi may try to explain it to you in here...as clearly as possible.

If you see any 16610 Submariner...at the bottom of 6 o'clock marker the Dial would either say..."SWISS T - <25"(early batch of Tritium Dial) from later R to early U series(lEXNCSWT inclusive)...for a production period of about 9 or 10 years.

Generally by A series(from 1999)...it would say "SWISS" denoting that the Dial has Luminova markers n hands...instead of Tritium...but this was perhaps one of the shortest production runs by Rolex...with such marking.

Thereafter...from P series(>2000) onwards...it would say "SWISS MADE" denoting that the Dial would have Super Luminova markers n hands...instead.

But in this picture taken from that eBay listing in AU...you would notice that the bottom of the 6 o'clock marker...says "T SWISS T"...which is very ODD in INCORRECT...for Submariners of that era...

Also...if you take a closer look at that Dial amongst other discrepancies...you would see that the so called WG surround markers...are again ODDLY n INCORRECTLY placed too close to the minute indexes...n as well as the wrong Coronet n plots...giving further n more rise of suspicions that the Dial...is incorrect or FAKED...!

Orchi hopes that helps...

Oh btw buddies...generally also...the same would apply for all Rolex sport models like GMT...Explorer I & II...n Sea-Dweller...

tudorman8276 · 11 June 2008, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orchi

Err buddy Sherwin...if Orchi may try to explain it to you in here...as clearly as possible.

If you see any 16610 Submariner...at the bottom of 6 o'clock marker the Dial would either say..."SWISS T - <25"(early batch of Tritium Dial) from later R to early U series(lEXNCSWT inclusive)...for a production period of about 9 or 10 years.

Generally by A series(from 1999)...it would say "SWISS" denoting that the Dial has Luminova markers n hands...instead of Tritium...but this was perhaps one of the shortest production runs by Rolex...with such marking.

Thereafter...from P series(>2000) onwards...it would say "SWISS MADE" denoting that the Dial would have Super Luminova markers n hands...instead.

But in this picture taken from that eBay listing in AU...you would notice that the bottom of the 6 o'clock marker...says "T SWISS T"...which is very ODD in INCORRECT...for Submariners of that era...

Also...if you take a closer look at that Dial amongst other discrepancies...you would see that the so called WG surround markers...are again ODDLY n INCORRECTLY placed too close to the minute indexes...n as well as the wrong Coronet n plots...giving further n more rise of suspicions that the Dial...is incorrect or FAKED...!

Orchi hopes that helps...

Oh btw buddies...generally also...the same would apply for all Rolex sport models like GMT...Explorer I & II...n Sea-Dweller...

Thank you for sharing the detailed info with us!!

Additionally, if the dial is suspect, AND in the absence of other info/pic's about the mvmt, the entire watch has to be SUSPECT!! REPORTED.

Stan.

Terry Newton · 11 June 2008, 12:48 AM

Reported it.

Terry Newton

Earl · 10 June 2008, 10:17 PM

don't turn and walk, RUN!!!!!!

2careless · 10 June 2008, 10:24 PM

BTW, reported.

stevemulholland3 · 11 June 2008, 08:34 AM

I have drawn a better dial than that...

stevemulholland3 · 11 June 2008, 08:38 AM

also look at where the "L" in rolex is positioned according to the crown,it is too far to the left.it should start exactly where the crown opening is.

tudorman8276 · 11 June 2008, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

also look at where the "L" in rolex is positioned according to the crown,it is too far to the left.it should start exactly where the crown opening is.

Stan.

rulessapt · 11 June 2008, 12:56 PM

Looks like it is gone, again.
Perhaps this time it will stay gone !
Without this forum how would we know if they were fakes.
Thanks guys for your vigilance to help those of us ( like me ) who would otherwise be unaware.
cheers
richard

pwrslider · 11 June 2008, 01:54 PM

good job

its gone!!

sherwin · 11 June 2008, 10:42 AM

Thanks Orchi for your clear and concise explanation. Now I am one step closer to sniffing out fakes.

sherwin · 11 June 2008, 11:59 PM

not anymore!! I just reported it again. This is one persistent guy

2careless · 12 June 2008, 05:21 AM

He's relisted it:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=200230927415
report away.

pwrslider · 12 June 2008, 06:00 AM

Reported!!

tudorman8276 · 12 June 2008, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

He's relisted it:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=200230927415
report away.

Let's all stay vigilant!!!

Stan.

stevemulholland3 · 12 June 2008, 08:28 AM

gone again...how is he still posting.I was told that if you have three or more auctions pulled you will be suspended.then if you have even one more problem its indefinite.
is it different in Australia?

2careless · 12 June 2008, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

gone again...how is he still posting.I was told that if you have three or more auctions pulled you will be suspended.then if you have even one more problem its indefinite.
is it different in Australia?

No idea. I don't usually sell in ebay

Anyway, thanks and well done all

sherwin · 12 June 2008, 05:52 PM

ebay is the place to sell, not a place to buy. I have yet to buy anything from ebay, but that might change quite soon, as I start to source bergeon tools from o'seas

10 June 2008, 08:17 PM	#1
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	This one keeps coming back... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=200229000700

11 June 2008, 12:07 AM	#5
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	the dial looks fine in my eyes, can someone enlighten me as to what actually wrong with this watch?? obviously a n00b __________________ Want to Buy:SS GMT black;116509 WG Daytona Metrorite

11 June 2008, 12:48 AM	#8
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Reported it. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

11 June 2008, 01:54 PM	#15
pwrslider "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Steve Location: SF BAY AREA CA Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 3,047	good job its gone!! __________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner (95) Rolex SS GMT IIc (08) Rolex GMT II 16710 COKE (08 for me..) Rolex Explorer II Blk (91) Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish (07) Panerai 104 & 177ti ( 04/03)

11 June 2008, 10:42 AM	#16
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	Thanks Orchi for your clear and concise explanation. Now I am one step closer to sniffing out fakes. __________________ Want to Buy:SS GMT black;116509 WG Daytona Metrorite

10 June 2008, 09:21 PM	#2
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	You know Kai, when I first saw this auction months ago, I went into his store (not too far from me) and told him my concerns. I inspected the watch, externally and it looks ok, APART FORM THE DIAL. Seller told me that he has checked it internally, and between the lugs, and it is good. I told him, no matter what he says to me, the dial is a FAKE, and it would pay him to send it to Rolex for a full service, and replace the dial. This will make it right as well as get Rolex service papers, and hence will get decent money for it. I asked him what the serial was, and he advised N series. Well I happened to be wearing the Comex that day (which is also an N series), and showed him the differences (apart form the word Comex, of course). He sort of brushed me off saying that the Comex watches were different. I repeated what I told him, and ended with: It doesn't bother me whether you sell it or not, but if it sells, you're going to possibly have problems if the watch is submitted to Rolex. As you can see, it has been for sale on ebay for over SIX months. Hmmmmmmmm....................... John.

10 June 2008, 10:13 PM	#3
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	I wouldn't buy the story that the movement is kosher. If the dial is fake, what confidence would I give that the movement is genuine? 0%.

10 June 2008, 10:17 PM	#9
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	don't turn and walk, RUN!!!!!!

10 June 2008, 10:24 PM	#10
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	BTW, reported.

11 June 2008, 08:34 AM	#11
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	I have drawn a better dial than that...

11 June 2008, 08:38 AM	#12
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	also look at where the "L" in rolex is positioned according to the crown,it is too far to the left.it should start exactly where the crown opening is.

11 June 2008, 12:56 PM	#14
rulessapt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: richard Location: Tasmania Watch: u c Posts: 514	Looks like it is gone, again. Perhaps this time it will stay gone ! Without this forum how would we know if they were fakes. Thanks guys for your vigilance to help those of us ( like me ) who would otherwise be unaware. cheers richard

11 June 2008, 11:59 PM	#17
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	not anymore!! I just reported it again. This is one persistent guy __________________ Want to Buy:SS GMT black;116509 WG Daytona Metrorite

12 June 2008, 05:21 AM	#18
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	He's relisted it: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=200230927415 report away.

12 June 2008, 06:00 AM	#19
pwrslider "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Steve Location: SF BAY AREA CA Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 3,047	Reported!! __________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner (95) Rolex SS GMT IIc (08) Rolex GMT II 16710 COKE (08 for me..) Rolex Explorer II Blk (91) Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish (07) Panerai 104 & 177ti ( 04/03)

12 June 2008, 08:28 AM	#21
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	gone again...how is he still posting.I was told that if you have three or more auctions pulled you will be suspended.then if you have even one more problem its indefinite. is it different in Australia?

12 June 2008, 05:52 PM	#23
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	ebay is the place to sell, not a place to buy. I have yet to buy anything from ebay, but that might change quite soon, as I start to source bergeon tools from o'seas __________________ Want to Buy:SS GMT black;116509 WG Daytona Metrorite

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