Che Guevarra

[VESUVIO]

I recently saw a picture of Che Guevarra wearing a SS Submariner in a special edition watch magazine dedicate to Rolex.
The article described Che Guevarra wearing a SS Submariner during his Guerrilla fighting days.
Can you believe that such a symbol of capitalism was worn on the wrist of this great anti-capitalist. I guess that quality is appreciated and recognized regardless of political convictions.

[Defiancekofb]

Typical politician, say one thing, do another.

Look at Elliot Spitzer, in the past he was responsible for shutting down the previous prostitution ring his own hooker used to be employed in. But when Client #9 needed some *SERVICES*, he had no problem utilizing them, even though he shut down a few in the past.

[jdc]

As George Orwell wrote in Animal Farm his satire on communism: -

“All animals are equal but some are more equal than others”

[beamon]

Originally Posted by jdc

As George Orwell wrote in Animal Farm his satire on communism: -

“All animals are equal but some are more equal than others”

No to put too fine a point on it, but I believe his exact quote used "pigs" rather than "animals". Point taken, however.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by beamon

No to put too fine a point on it, but I believe his exact quote used "pigs" rather than "animals". Point taken, however.

My edition (1963) says :


"For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"

[HYDROMAROC]

Originally Posted by jdc

As George Orwell wrote in Animal Farm his satire on communism: -

“All animals are equal but some are more equal than others”

"Two legs baaad, Four legs goood"....

[HYDROMAROC]

"Everyone" around the world bad mouths the U.S.A. ( at least that is what our liberal government media complex spins to the people )

Last time I checked, there is no line of people wanting to leave, but people are willing to risk their lives ( and sometimes, die...) to get in....

Just my regarding why everyone wants American items

There, my mini-rant is over....

[etp095]

Originally Posted by HYDROMAROC

"Everyone" around the world bad mouths the U.S.A. ( at least that is what our liberal government media complex spins to the people )

Last time I checked, there is no line of people wanting to leave, but people are willing to risk their lives ( and sometimes, die...) to get in....

Just my regarding why everyone wants American items

There, my mini-rant is over....

X2,well said.

[Marrk]

"'Everyone' around the world bad mouths the U.S.A. " Sir, that statement is not precisely correct. Most people around the world support the American people, but are against the Bush administration.

"our liberal government media complex" What is that, please?

"Last time I checked, there is no line of people wanting to leave," The last time I checked, more than fifty percent of the American people are now, and have always have been, against the Bush administration and its policies.

"but people are willing to risk their lives ( and sometimes, die...) to get in.... " This is, indeed, a great country. Granted, democracy is a messy and inefficient business, requiring an untold amount of tolerance, patience, goodwill, intelligence, perseverance, analysis, and effort. It also requires honesty and adult behavior. Perhaps we are having this exchange right now because neither one of us is happy with what we see when we look out the window. Perhaps we would both agree that this country is in need of some repair.

Originally Posted by HYDROMAROC

"Everyone" around the world bad mouths the U.S.A. ( at least that is what our liberal government media complex spins to the people )

Last time I checked, there is no line of people wanting to leave, but people are willing to risk their lives ( and sometimes, die...) to get in....

Just my regarding why everyone wants American items

There, my mini-rant is over....

[fear]

"Perhaps we are having this exchange right now because neither one of us is happy with what we see when we look out the window. Perhaps we would both agree that this country is in need of some repair."

Yup. Can't "repair" without protecting us from terrorists first. Experience and leadership trumps community organizing.

[HYDROMAROC]

Originally Posted by Marrk

"'Everyone' around the world bad mouths the U.S.A. " Sir, that statement is not precisely correct. Most people around the world support the American people, but are against the Bush administration.

"our liberal government media complex" What is that, please?

"Last time I checked, there is no line of people wanting to leave," The last time I checked, more than fifty percent of the American people are now, and have always have been, against the Bush administration and its policies.

"but people are willing to risk their lives ( and sometimes, die...) to get in.... " This is, indeed, a great country. Granted, democracy is a messy and inefficient business, requiring an untold amount of tolerance, patience, goodwill, intelligence, perseverance, analysis, and effort. It also requires honesty and adult behavior. Perhaps we are having this exchange right now because neither one of us is happy with what we see when we look out the window. Perhaps we would both agree that this country is in need of some repair.

I will leave you to your statement and not respond other than I don't want to make this into a pissing match...

[rescue7]

Originally Posted by VESUVIO

I recently saw a picture of Che Guevarra wearing a SS Submariner in a special edition watch magazine dedicate to Rolex.
The article described Che Guevarra wearing a SS Submariner during his Guerrilla fighting days.
Can you believe that such a symbol of capitalism was worn on the wrist of this great anti-capitalist. I guess that quality is appreciated and recognized regardless of political convictions.

If you look closely it's NOT a S/S Sub but a black bezel S/S GMT.

[Trurolexer]

I saw a pic that Osama smoking Marlboro.
Why he smoking an American cigarette?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

I saw a pic that Osama smoking Marlboro.
Why he smoking an American cigarette?

The better question is why is he telling everyone he quit, when he didn't?

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

The better question is why is he telling everyone he quit, when he didn't?

He quit? Nah, he just starting smoking...

[wanasub]

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

He quit? Nah, he just starting smoking...

That was Obama, not Osama

[jdc]

Originally Posted by rescue7

If you look closely it's NOT a S/S Sub but a black bezel S/S GMT.

I thought it was a submariner 5513.

[Ed Rooney]

Osama also wears an American BDU field jacket, Made in USA.

Shoes are probably Chinese, though.

You have to remember that in Che's day a Sub or GMT was simply a rugged, reliable watch. It was not excessively expensive. He did not have the option of a quartz or g-shock.

[toph]

Yeah a few of us mentioned this before- they are only socialists when it suits them

[astcell]

I like the video of Musawi wearing brand name American sneakers. And how about when Saddam's some were found loading a BILLION dollars on a truck? It was all AMERICAN money! So much for hating us, they need us!

[SKSeoul81]

Originally Posted by astcell

It was all AMERICAN money! So much for hating us, they need us!

And the US needs them... or you need their oil

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Yup, as stated he wore a GMT. The pic in question is in black and white and also not showing the watch bezel too well. This could make the Rolex appear being a Sub.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by SKSeoul81

And the US needs them... or you need their oil

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by SKSeoul81

And the US needs them... or you need their oil

as does Korea...

[VESUVIO]

Supposedly Fidel Castro just to give Rolex watches as gifts to his innercircle, as well as other luxury items. I guess it's great to be King.

[jdc]

Very interesting exchange of views on this forum.
I think that there was majority support in Britain for the invasion of Iraq but the lack of finding weapons of mass destruction, which was the main reason for Britain's support, has damaged the USA's credibility in this country and the rest of the world.
I think it is encouraging and proof of democracy that we can have debate and have differences in Britain and the USA - long may it continue, this is what builds checks and balances to governments and stops them doing whatever they want to do.
Agree with me or disagree at least we can have this debate, however we cannot enforce our will on others be they individuals or countries because we feel it is the right thing.
People have to learn that themselves, the USA and Britain have had hundred of years of evolving democracy these things don't happen overnight nor can they be imposed on others. There are no simple answers to complex religious and cultural divides.
As Lisa (Watchlady) said George Washington would have been in todays language labeled a terrorist by Britain, to Americans he would be a patriot and a freedom fighter - it all depends on your perception of events.

[Chris B]

It was a GMT & now belongs to this guy http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKroderiguez.htm , who certainly deserved it better than the other T Shirt emblazoned POS

[TempoKing]

Dr. Ernesto Rafael Guevara De la Serna
14 June 1928 - 9 October 1967

Maybe some would think that he was politically misquided, but to me because I was born in the cradle of democracy (Greece) and because I live in the center of democracy (USA) I accept his views as valid for him, I disagree with them, but that does no make "Che" any less patriotic than I am.
Any man that read Nehru, Camus, Sartre & Aristotle along with examining Bertrand Russell on love and patriotism, Jack London on society and Nietzsche on the idea of death as well as having a tremendous passion for poetry by Neruda, Keats, Lorca and Whitman, clearly is a man of quality.
Was he wrong to try and overthrow dictator Fulgencio Batista..? You tell me !

He had an excellent taste in Cigars and Swiss watches !
...like me so to speak...lol

[stevemulholland3]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

Dr. Ernesto Rafael Guevara De la Serna
14 June 1928 - 9 October 1967

Maybe some would think that he was politically misquided, but to me because I was born in the cradle of democracy (Greece) and because I live in the center of democracy (USA) I accept his views as valid for him, I disagree with them, but that does no make "Che" any less patriotic than I am.
Any man that read Nehru, Camus, Sartre & Aristotle along with examining Bertrand Russell on love and patriotism, Jack London on society and Nietzsche on the idea of death as well as having a tremendous passion for poetry by Neruda, Keats, Lorca and Whitman, clearly is a man of quality.
Was he wrong to try and overthrow dictator Fulgencio Batista..? You tell me !

He had an excellent taste in Cigars and Swiss watches !
...like me so to speak...lol

isnt wikipedia great..

[vjb.knife]

From what I heard Che stole it from some one they killed, just as many of the people in Cuba were robbed of their businesses and belongings. I prefer to earn what I own.

I know one of the Special Forces Guys that trained the Bolivian Army Troops that caught and killed Che. He actually sort of admired him in a strange way but not for his politics or thievery. He gave me a copy of Che's Reminiscences and the Bolivian Diaries which are an interesting read.