AP stainless steel chronograph black dial 41mm vs rolex stainless steel daytona

[Yanik]

which of these would be considered the "better" watch/investment? price diff is about $6k

[elnurchik8]

i consider an investment when something is actually making me money...not a watch. however, IMHO, the stainless Daytona does keep a better value than AP any day!

[Lordofrolex]

Originally Posted by elnurchik8

i consider an investment when something is actually making me money...not a watch. however, IMHO, the stainless Daytona does keep a better value than AP any day!

It's shocking how the Daytona stays the same price between a new and a used model. Not many watches I can say that for.

[el1125]

Originally Posted by Lordofrolex

It's shocking how the Daytona stays the same price between a new and a used model. Not many watches I can say that for.

This is true. But the AP looks great also!

[elnurchik8]

Originally Posted by Lordofrolex

It's shocking how the Daytona stays the same price between a new and a used model. Not many watches I can say that for.

its a classic!

[Left wrist]

Originally Posted by elnurchik8

its a classic!

+1

[beer]

depends if new or used

daytona if its new

both are about equal on the used market (as in further depreciation)

[jrs146]

If we are talking pure depreciation, the Daytona holds its value quite well.

That being said, I think these two watches are very different and ultimately which one fits and feels better could lead you to the right decision.

Personally I'm not a fan of the Daytona. It's too small, the dial is too hard to read and there is no date function. That was enough to lead me to sell mine. I happen to really like the ROC. The date function is placed perfectly and the dial is much easier to read. The ROC is a great modern 41mm and feels much more substantial to me.


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[VICI]

Just buy it right and enjoy the one you will wear on your wrist.

A few (k) up or down will depend on your purchase price but it's the price to pay for something that will bring you happiness.

FWIW, the AP is much more substantial of a piece on the wrist.

[Yanik]

the Royal Oak Chromo definitely looks and feels more substantial on the wrist but still hard decision

[GB-man]

Both are horrendous investments but both are also fantastic watches. I would go for the AP

[speedmaster73]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Both are horrendous investments but both are also fantastic watches. I would go for the AP

watches as investments are never good HOWEVER i paid $11500 can for my BNIB daytona ss black dial from AD march 2014 and can sell in a heartbeat for $13500 cdn today...i could make more selling it in the USA and than converting the $$ to cdn!!

not that bad of an investment!!!

[aleeboy]

I'd go for a black dial Daytona over any variation of the ROC any day

[singe89]

The one that you will enjoy wearing more will be the better investment.

Buy right with any AP and you shouldn't loose much money. They are very similar to precious metal Rolexes in terms of buying right and initial depreciation.

[Hairdude1]

Originally Posted by singe89

The one that you will enjoy wearing more will be the better investment.

Buy right with any AP and you shouldn't loose much money. They are very similar to precious metal Rolexes in terms of buying right and initial depreciation.

[Yanik]

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[Peterandwatches]

Investment potential doesn't interest me that much. However, between the two, I would pick the Daytona, as it is on the most iconic and important chronographs of all time. The AP chrono is merely a classic AP with a complication tacked on.

[Yanik]

I really don't care much on the investment. All I meant is I don't want to spend on a watch and then take a big hit selling or trading later. I'm ok with losing up to 2-3k

[KBM]

Both great pieces. The Daytona does depreciate about 15% when used, so that argument shouldn't be your deciding factor. I own a white dialed ss daytona, and have seriously considered the black dial roc as a next piece. It looks amazing, and really seems to be on a different league (AP is haute horlogerie, after all).

[GoingPlaces]

Not sure, but I believe the AP chrono is not a true in-house movement (F.Piguet made). That would sway me to the Daytona. Otherwise the AP is a gorgeous piece.

[jrs146]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

Not sure, but I believe the AP chrono is not a true in-house movement (F.Piguet made). That would sway me to the Daytona. Otherwise the AP is a gorgeous piece.

You are correct it s an F.Piguet movement. But I wouldn't let that away you away. It's one of the best, thinnest, and time tested chronograph movements out there. It's the same movement VC uses in their Overseas Chrono. I would put this movement up against the Rolex 4130 any day. Sure, it would be nice for AP to manufacture their own (maybe soon?) but I wouldn't want them to have to change the ROC in order to do so.


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[subtona]

Daytona is probably among the best performers as far as resale in all of the watch world.

Modern watches very very rarely qualify as investment quality.

Buy the watch you would like to wear.

[AK797]

I have owned both and they are great watches. The AP wears larger, like a 42mm, whereas the Daytona like a 39mm. Resale is strong on Daytona but ROC can be bought at large discounts so not much in it. Both movements are tried and tested, so in the end go for what appeals visually on your wrist the most.

[Yanik]

I love the look of both but probably gonna go with the roc. It's bigger. More of a strong presence on the wrist and design is one of a kind. These days seems everyone has a Daytona or some form of Rolex It looks like a mint preowned Daytona ranges from 10-10.5k. And AP roc from 17k-18.5k

[speedmaster73]

Originally Posted by Yanik

I love the look of both but probably gonna go with the roc. It's bigger. More of a strong presence on the wrist and design is one of a kind. These days seems everyone has a Daytona or some form of Rolex It looks like a mint preowned Daytona ranges from 10-10.5k. And AP roc from 17k-18.5k

i think everyone has a sub...not a daytona....but yes lots of rolexes period. Davidsw selling mint preowned Daytonas for $10500.00 that converts to $14000cdn for me...a $2500 increase in less than 18 months!

again..not a bad investment....

I've never lost money on any rolex i have purchased and flipped ever...with annual price increases the pre-owned prices rise as well

[singe89]

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Originally Posted by speedmaster73

i think everyone has a sub...not a daytona....but yes lots of rolexes period. Davidsw selling mint preowned Daytonas for $10500.00 that converts to $14000cdn for me...a $2500 increase in less than 18 months!

again..not a bad investment....

I've never lost money on any rolex i have purchased and flipped ever...with annual price increases the pre-owned prices rise as well

Buy a Daytona 8 years ago at a premium when they were "waiting list only" ($15k) and you would have lost $$$. Or buy a TT or PM Rolex and sell a year or two after and you will lose $$$.

SS Rolex hold their retail value because there is a much larger market for them. However they haven't had a price increase in years so you won't be gaining much money (currency spreads aside). Buy any watch right and with price increases you can minimize loss or even make money. I purchased my 15400 before APs last price increase. 2.5 years later I can sell it used for what I paid for it or even make a small profit.

Buy the watch you are going to enjoy wearing for a long time and buy it at the right price....don't worry about resale.

[speedmaster73]

Originally Posted by singe89

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Buy a Daytona 8 years ago at a premium when they were "waiting list only" ($15k) and you would have lost $$$. Or buy a TT or PM Rolex and sell a year or two after and you will lose $$$.

SS Rolex hold their retail value because there is a much larger market for them. However they haven't had a price increase in years so you won't be gaining much money (currency spreads aside). Buy any watch right and with price increases you can minimize loss or even make money. I purchased my 15400 before APs last price increase. 2.5 years later I can sell it used for what I paid for it or even make a small profit.

Buy the watch you are going to enjoy wearing for a long time and buy it at the right price....don't worry about resale.

agreed...I buy my watches to wear and not investment just was pointing out that if right model purchased at the right time can result in a small profit IF to flip....TT and PM always take a loss

[Watch This]

I have been crushed on a Date Just and again on a SS PLT YM.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by speedmaster73

i think everyone has a sub...not a daytona....but yes lots of rolexes period. Davidsw selling mint preowned Daytonas for $10500.00 that converts to $14000cdn for me...a $2500 increase in less than 18 months!

again..not a bad investment....

I've never lost money on any rolex i have purchased and flipped ever...with annual price increases the pre-owned prices rise as well

A depreciating currency does not an investment make.

[beer]

Originally Posted by SMD

A depreciating currency does not an investment make.

but if you only live and do business in one country then buying a watch can be a hedge against your currency depreciating

and it is more fun than owning gold