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Malverne · 19 January 2016, 03:07 AM

Hi Friends,
Please can someone tell me more about this 1680 red sub? I could bought this one, but I'm not sure about the red print. It looks like a mark V dial, but not sure! Hope for some help here.

Thanks, malverne

azguy · 19 January 2016, 03:25 AM

Mark V, excellent example, delightful patine

lugs appear good, crown guards look stubby, but it wouldn't deter me unless the price was ludicrous

Malverne · 19 January 2016, 06:25 AM

Thanx. Yes the case is in good condition, and I love the dark markers as well.
If Imcompare the color of the red writing, I thought other mark v writings have a more darker red color. What do you think about the color? For me, it looks like red over white...

Loevhagen · 19 January 2016, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Malverne

TWhat do you think about the color? For me, it looks like red over white...

I can't se any thing indicating red over white.

azguy · 19 January 2016, 06:32 AM

I think/believe earlier dials look more red over white, this doesn't to me, but whatta I know, it's only one picture.

Loevhagen · 19 January 2016, 07:15 AM

From http://www.doubleredseadweller.com/w.../untitled.html

Mk I - VI

jdmi32 · 19 January 2016, 08:11 AM

Looks like a very nice MK V. I don't know if it's on the crystal or dial but there might be a scratch of some sort directly over the 6 o'clock marker.

On a MK V dial, "SUBMARINER" should be printed in red only, not red over white. Here is mine for comparison.

nick c · 19 January 2016, 10:44 AM

Very nice!

scooba · 19 January 2016, 04:42 PM

Lovely

ADINVA · 19 January 2016, 05:29 PM

The patina is amazing. Matches so evenly - dial/hands/pearl

Malverne · 19 January 2016, 08:52 PM

Thanks for your help all! I hope I can show it on my wrist soon

Malverne · 23 February 2016, 06:12 AM

hi guys, here the red sub, finally bought it. love the patina of the dial.
please can someone tell me more about the caseback. I thought there must be a stamped date/quarter?

JohnBaker3 · 23 February 2016, 06:24 AM

Rolex stopped marking the inside case backs sometime in late 1972....

If your watch is c 1973, then your case back is likely original to the watch.

Wear it in good health!

brandrea · 23 February 2016, 06:29 AM

Looks great, congratulations!

RC2 · 23 February 2016, 11:27 AM

Looks like Mark 4 to me

RJC1 · 23 February 2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RC2

Looks like Mark 4 to me

I don't believe it's a mark 4. One of the easiest ways to rule out the mark 4 is to look at the = sign placement over the C in chronometer. To me it looks like a mark 5

jdmi32 · 24 February 2016, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJC1

I don't believe it's a mark 4. One of the easiest ways to rule out the mark 4 is to look at the = sign placement over the C in chronometer. To me it looks like a mark 5

Easiest way for me to tell between a MK IV and V dial is the "R" in ROLEX. The slanted leg placement is much different.

GeorgeK · 23 February 2016, 06:15 PM

No seal on caseback?

eton97 · 24 February 2016, 05:53 AM

Mark V = 'c' of word 'certified' is directly below 'h' in 'chronometer' and the bottom of the 'f' on 'ft' is directly above the 'v' on superlative.

Mark IV = 'c' of word 'certified' is directly below 'ch' in 'chronometer' and the bottom of the 'f' on 'ft' is directly above the 'i' on superlative.

I would say this is a mk v

ianmcg · 24 February 2016, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eton97

Mark V = 'c' of word 'certified' is directly below 'h' in 'chronometer' and the bottom of the 'f' on 'ft' is directly above the 'v' on superlative.

Mark IV = 'c' of word 'certified' is directly below 'ch' in 'chronometer' and the bottom of the 'f' on 'ft' is directly above the 'i' on superlative.

I would say this is a mk v

Simplest version I know:

Mk 4 = crossbar on f is offset from t. Mk5 and Mk 6 it isn't.
Mk 6 curly S.

Job done.

ian

Malverne · 24 February 2016, 06:27 AM

Thank u guys, its a watch from 71 with serial 2,82m... Yes, I think its mark 5

Boaters · 24 February 2016, 10:32 AM

What a beauty

springer · 24 February 2016, 12:24 PM

Nice Mark V Sub...definitely not a Mark IV - wrong coronet for a Mark IV. 1972 case backs are found up to around 3.5 million serial numbers. Possibly a few might have later serial numbers.

From my experience, normally a 2.82 serial number is within range for a 1970 to early 1971 case back stamping.

bbturbo · 24 February 2016, 01:14 PM

My mk5, #2.7mil, has "III 71" stamped on the inside of the case back.

ADINVA · 24 February 2016, 01:21 PM

I have left my Red Sub in the safe deposit box for almost 5 months. Still hoping to see some patina developing. Envy those with very nicely developed patina. My Red Sub currently is in light ivory ..... still a long way to go to develop those patina?

southtexas · 25 February 2016, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ADINVA

I have left my Red Sub in the safe deposit box for almost 5 months. Still hoping to see some patina developing. Envy those with very nicely developed patina. My Red Sub currently is in light ivory ..... still a long way to go to develop those patina?

Maybe! Mine was in a safe for 40 years to get to a mustard color, which was gone after 6 months of daily wear once I purchase it. I posted "before and after" pics here somewhere.

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Michael M. · 24 February 2016, 01:31 PM

At 2.8mil the caseback should have a late 70 or early 71 date stamp. The date stamp was not phased out until the mid 3.5mil range as Springer pointed out above. A correctly dated caseback shouldn't be too hard to find.

I have had several 3.3mil 1675's, 5513's, 1680's, and 5512's all of which had date stamps of 72.

southtexas · 25 February 2016, 02:52 AM

For what it's worth, I have a red 2.95 serial with IV.70 stamp.

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19 January 2016, 03:07 AM	#1
Malverne "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: 16660, 1680 Posts: 97	Advice needed 1680 red sub Hi Friends, Please can someone tell me more about this 1680 red sub? I could bought this one, but I'm not sure about the red print. It looks like a mark V dial, but not sure! Hope for some help here. Thanks, malverne

19 January 2016, 08:11 AM	#7
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Looks like a very nice MK V. I don't know if it's on the crystal or dial but there might be a scratch of some sort directly over the 6 o'clock marker. On a MK V dial, "SUBMARINER" should be printed in red only, not red over white. Here is mine for comparison. Attached Images

23 February 2016, 06:24 AM	#13
JohnBaker3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: John Baker III Location: Spring,Texas Watch: 1971 Red Sub Posts: 2,222	Rolex stopped marking the inside case backs sometime in late 1972.... If your watch is c 1973, then your case back is likely original to the watch. Wear it in good health! __________________ As I've grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing off everyone is a piece of cake.

23 February 2016, 11:27 AM	#15
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Looks like Mark 4 to me __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

24 February 2016, 12:24 PM	#23
springer 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,473	Nice Mark V Sub...definitely not a Mark IV - wrong coronet for a Mark IV. 1972 case backs are found up to around 3.5 million serial numbers. Possibly a few might have later serial numbers. From my experience, normally a 2.82 serial number is within range for a 1970 to early 1971 case back stamping. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

19 January 2016, 03:25 AM	#2
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Mark V, excellent example, delightful patine lugs appear good, crown guards look stubby, but it wouldn't deter me unless the price was ludicrous

19 January 2016, 06:25 AM	#3
Malverne "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: 16660, 1680 Posts: 97	Thanx. Yes the case is in good condition, and I love the dark markers as well. If Imcompare the color of the red writing, I thought other mark v writings have a more darker red color. What do you think about the color? For me, it looks like red over white...

19 January 2016, 06:32 AM	#5
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	I think/believe earlier dials look more red over white, this doesn't to me, but whatta I know, it's only one picture.

19 January 2016, 07:15 AM	#6
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	From http://www.doubleredseadweller.com/w.../untitled.html Mk I - VI

19 January 2016, 10:44 AM	#8
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Very nice!

19 January 2016, 04:42 PM	#9
scooba 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe Watch: Anything Posts: 2,631	Lovely

19 January 2016, 05:29 PM	#10
ADINVA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Daytona Posts: 740	The patina is amazing. Matches so evenly - dial/hands/pearl

19 January 2016, 08:52 PM	#11
Malverne "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: 16660, 1680 Posts: 97	Thanks for your help all! I hope I can show it on my wrist soon

23 February 2016, 06:12 AM	#12
Malverne "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: 16660, 1680 Posts: 97	hi guys, here the red sub, finally bought it. love the patina of the dial. please can someone tell me more about the caseback. I thought there must be a stamped date/quarter?

23 February 2016, 06:29 AM	#14
brandrea 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 79,819	Looks great, congratulations!

23 February 2016, 06:15 PM	#18
GeorgeK "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: The Alps Posts: 411	No seal on caseback?

24 February 2016, 05:53 AM	#19
eton97 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London, UK Watch: DRSD, 1675, 5167a Posts: 244	Mark V = 'c' of word 'certified' is directly below 'h' in 'chronometer' and the bottom of the 'f' on 'ft' is directly above the 'v' on superlative. Mark IV = 'c' of word 'certified' is directly below 'ch' in 'chronometer' and the bottom of the 'f' on 'ft' is directly above the 'i' on superlative. I would say this is a mk v

24 February 2016, 06:27 AM	#21
Malverne "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: 16660, 1680 Posts: 97	Thank u guys, its a watch from 71 with serial 2,82m... Yes, I think its mark 5

24 February 2016, 10:32 AM	#22
Boaters 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 126710BLR 116610LV Posts: 10,664	What a beauty

24 February 2016, 01:14 PM	#24
bbturbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Asia Posts: 53	My mk5, #2.7mil, has "III 71" stamped on the inside of the case back.

24 February 2016, 01:21 PM	#25
ADINVA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Daytona Posts: 740	I have left my Red Sub in the safe deposit box for almost 5 months. Still hoping to see some patina developing. Envy those with very nicely developed patina. My Red Sub currently is in light ivory ..... still a long way to go to develop those patina?

24 February 2016, 01:31 PM	#27
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	At 2.8mil the caseback should have a late 70 or early 71 date stamp. The date stamp was not phased out until the mid 3.5mil range as Springer pointed out above. A correctly dated caseback shouldn't be too hard to find. I have had several 3.3mil 1675's, 5513's, 1680's, and 5512's all of which had date stamps of 72.

25 February 2016, 02:52 AM	#28
southtexas 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,795	For what it's worth, I have a red 2.95 serial with IV.70 stamp. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

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