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eliu908 · 27 February 2016, 01:51 PM

Hey, I just snatched up my first rolex. The seller said it is a a vintage stainless steel and 18K gold Rolex Thunderbird (model 1625, made in about 1977 according to the serial number in running condition. The case (minus the crown) is 36 mm in diameter.Rolex 1570 free sprung 26 jewel movement adjusted to 5 positions and temperature.

I am planning to get it authenticated. The seller said the case, the crown and movement 100% guaranteed original. The bezel is gold and the diamonds on the bezel are real. The dial is aftermarket. Can anyone give me a quick appraisal? Any concerns through just the pictures on authenticity?

I think it looks pretty sexy.

offrdmania · 27 February 2016, 02:24 PM

If you are taking pictures, you need clear ones. Those pictures are grainy and horrible. Also, give us very clear pictures of the case between the lugs and of the case back removed so that we can see the movement.

eliu908 · 27 February 2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

If you are taking pictures, you need clear ones. Those pictures are grainy and horrible. Also, give us very clear pictures of the case between the lugs and of the case back removed so that we can see the movement.

Ahhh. I am paying by fleabay and these were the pics. The seller told me in a PM he guarantees the authenticity of the case, crown and the movement. I am getting it authenticated by my rolex dealer as soon as I get it. Just in case it is a fake, I know I will be protected (through ebay policies I assume). But let's assume everything is genuine, what would the valuation be?

Thank you, I appreciate it alot.

Old Expat Beast · 27 February 2016, 02:34 PM

We don't do valuations here, sorry. You can tell how much you paid and people will tell you if you got a fair deal.

linesiders · 27 February 2016, 02:43 PM

Missing correct bezel, insert, dial at minimum - those three things make a 1625.

I would bow out of this one - not a good piece.

eliu908 · 27 February 2016, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by linesiders

Missing correct bezel, insert, dial at minimum - those three things make a 1625.

I would bow out of this one - not a good piece.

Blazinga $1600

GLADIATOR · 28 February 2016, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by linesiders

Missing correct bezel, insert, dial at minimum - those three things make a 1625.

I would bow out of this one - not a good piece.

+1
The dial is terrible!

crowncollection · 27 February 2016, 03:44 PM

It's as the seller states it would appear, a lot of work/money to straighten it out IMHO. The bezel makes it a 1625 IMHO

Fredrik · 27 February 2016, 04:54 PM

It is close to impossible to find a dial for a 1625, it is apparently possible to put a DJ dial in a lathe and shave it down a bit to make it fit.

The bezel in yellow or white gold is almost as impossible to find if you want to straighten it out.

If you choose to keep the aftermarket parts you have to rely on independents for service. Also, the resale value will be quite low in my opinion. The diamonds do nothing for the value.

eliu908 · 28 February 2016, 02:08 AM

Thanks for the replies guys. Local rolex retailer will look over it for $30-70 bucks and hopefully authenticate the movement. For how much I got it for, I think if I don't like it, I can always get another and flip this one back.

jvmartin · 13 March 2016, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fredrik

it is close to impossible to find a dial for a 1625, it is apparently possible to put a dj dial in a lathe and shave it down a bit to make it fit.

The bezel in yellow or white gold is almost as impossible to find if you want to straighten it out.

If you choose to keep the aftermarket parts you have to rely on independents for service. Also, the resale value will be quite low in my opinion. The diamonds do nothing for the value.

+1

eliu908 · 14 March 2016, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jvmartin

+1

what would you think the resale value to be?

michael067 · 28 February 2016, 08:27 AM

Looks sketch to me, would stay away.

TheRolexKingofLV · 28 February 2016, 09:12 AM

Run Forrest Run

eliu908 · 28 February 2016, 12:37 PM

Again I paid $1600. It should be arriving early this week. I will retake pictures with a better camera. I have ebay buyer protection and used my credit card so I think I will be fine if I find out if the guts are fake.

Velox · 28 February 2016, 01:08 PM

Did the seller say anything about the diamonds, and if the bezel is solid gold or plated? Because you can get a new diamond bezel with lab created diamonds (also called genuine) for as low as 50 bucks . Same goes for the Dial.
If that's the case you could have found an all original head in much better condition here on this forum for that price (though probably a 1601) and add the blingies yourself if thats your thing, but you would still have the original parts.

eliu908 · 28 February 2016, 05:43 PM

double post, had to go through moderator verification.

eliu908 · 28 February 2016, 05:46 PM

double post, had to go through moderator verification.

eliu908 · 28 February 2016, 05:48 PM

The serial is:
192361

Can anyone help me decode, I read somewhere that the serial means something. Thanks.

@Velox
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252285775352...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
The diamonds are VS2/SI1 Clarity and H in color. Total diamonds are 1.50 carats. Bezel is Gold.

What I think it will look like (honestly think the seller has the worst camera ever):
http://www.jewelryunlimited.com/role...diamonds-23169

breitlings · 1 March 2016, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eliu908

The serial is:
192361

Can anyone help me decode, I read somewhere that the serial means something. Thanks.

@Velox
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252285775352...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
The diamonds are VS2/SI1 Clarity and H in color. Total diamonds are 1.50 carats. Bezel is Gold.

What I think it will look like (honestly think the seller has the worst camera ever):
http://www.jewelryunlimited.com/role...diamonds-23169

there is no way those diamonds are VSI or VSII. Those are no better than SI or I imo.

eliu908 · 1 March 2016, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by breitlings

there is no way those diamonds are VSI or VSII. Those are no better than SI or I imo.

I will take better pictures and have the diamonds verified as soon as the watch is here.

eliu908 · 13 March 2016, 01:28 PM

As promised new pictures!

dera · 28 February 2016, 07:20 PM

The value of that watch is the value of the diamonds and scrap metal. It is "real" but it has been sabotaged too far for anyone to rescue it.

eliu908 · 29 February 2016, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dera

The value of that watch is the value of the diamonds and scrap metal. It is "real" but it has been sabotaged too far for anyone to rescue it.

My dad has a black submariner. My grandpa still wears his oyster perpetual from the 1950s. I just want some bling. Maybe that's why I think this looks so pretty.

27 February 2016, 02:24 PM	#2
offrdmania 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,991	If you are taking pictures, you need clear ones. Those pictures are grainy and horrible. Also, give us very clear pictures of the case between the lugs and of the case back removed so that we can see the movement. __________________ TRF Member 11738

27 February 2016, 02:43 PM	#5
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,499	Missing correct bezel, insert, dial at minimum - those three things make a 1625. I would bow out of this one - not a good piece. __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

27 February 2016, 03:44 PM	#8
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,215	It's as the seller states it would appear, a lot of work/money to straighten it out IMHO. The bezel makes it a 1625 IMHO __________________ watches many

28 February 2016, 09:12 AM	#14
TheRolexKingofLV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Trace Location: Vegas/Bay Area Posts: 9,234	Run Forrest Run __________________ Official Host "The Penthouse Party" Las Vegas 2018 Instagram @tracenunes

27 February 2016, 02:34 PM	#4
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,788	We don't do valuations here, sorry. You can tell how much you paid and people will tell you if you got a fair deal.

27 February 2016, 04:54 PM	#9
Fredrik 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Sweden Watch: 1680 Posts: 1,874	It is close to impossible to find a dial for a 1625, it is apparently possible to put a DJ dial in a lathe and shave it down a bit to make it fit. The bezel in yellow or white gold is almost as impossible to find if you want to straighten it out. If you choose to keep the aftermarket parts you have to rely on independents for service. Also, the resale value will be quite low in my opinion. The diamonds do nothing for the value.

28 February 2016, 02:08 AM	#10
eliu908 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: columbus Posts: 23	Thanks for the replies guys. Local rolex retailer will look over it for $30-70 bucks and hopefully authenticate the movement. For how much I got it for, I think if I don't like it, I can always get another and flip this one back.

28 February 2016, 08:27 AM	#13
michael067 Banned Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Las Vegas Watch: TT DJ 16233 Posts: 1,002	Looks sketch to me, would stay away.

28 February 2016, 12:37 PM	#15
eliu908 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: columbus Posts: 23	Again I paid $1600. It should be arriving early this week. I will retake pictures with a better camera. I have ebay buyer protection and used my credit card so I think I will be fine if I find out if the guts are fake.

28 February 2016, 01:08 PM	#16
Velox "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Aruba Posts: 198	Did the seller say anything about the diamonds, and if the bezel is solid gold or plated? Because you can get a new diamond bezel with lab created diamonds (also called genuine) for as low as 50 bucks . Same goes for the Dial. If that's the case you could have found an all original head in much better condition here on this forum for that price (though probably a 1601) and add the blingies yourself if thats your thing, but you would still have the original parts.

28 February 2016, 05:43 PM	#17
eliu908 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: columbus Posts: 23	double post, had to go through moderator verification.

28 February 2016, 05:46 PM	#18
eliu908 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: columbus Posts: 23	double post, had to go through moderator verification.

28 February 2016, 05:48 PM	#19
eliu908 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: columbus Posts: 23	The serial is: 192361 Can anyone help me decode, I read somewhere that the serial means something. Thanks. @Velox http://www.ebay.com/itm/252285775352...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT The diamonds are VS2/SI1 Clarity and H in color. Total diamonds are 1.50 carats. Bezel is Gold. What I think it will look like (honestly think the seller has the worst camera ever): http://www.jewelryunlimited.com/role...diamonds-23169

13 March 2016, 01:28 PM	#22
eliu908 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: columbus Posts: 23	As promised new pictures!

28 February 2016, 07:20 PM	#23
dera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,372	The value of that watch is the value of the diamonds and scrap metal. It is "real" but it has been sabotaged too far for anyone to rescue it.

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