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safetypro79 · 13 March 2016, 04:59 AM

I am contimplating the purchase of a Sub no date

**what was the last year/serial number produced for the no date with drilled lugs

Thanks forum members.

John

Tools · 13 March 2016, 05:09 AM

All Subs had drilled lug holes until the release of the ceramic 114060 model

kopykopy · 13 March 2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tools

all subs had drilled lug holes until the release of the ceramic 114060 model

this

Speed · 13 March 2016, 02:10 PM

What?

GB-man · 13 March 2016, 02:39 PM

subtona · 13 March 2016, 05:21 AM

both Random serial and G serial were produced at the same time, either of those would qualify if you wanted the last produced examples of the 14060.

Random will be a 1 character longer modern serial/identification #

i have a G.

ref1655 · 13 March 2016, 06:04 AM

curious...why did Rolex stop incorporating drilled lug holes? I've got them on my old 1655 but never paid much attention to the feature.

JohnBaker3 · 13 March 2016, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ref1655

curious...why did Rolex stop incorporating drilled lug holes?

I think for 2 reasons:

1) It looks more refined and classy to have no visible lug holes

2) To keep watch enthusiasts from constantly screwing around with the watches !!

PS: #2 didn't really work out for them....

SamiKssiaa · 13 March 2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ref1655

curious...why did Rolex stop incorporating drilled lug holes? I've got them on my old 1655 but never paid much attention to the feature.

They're trying to turn a brogue in to an oxford

Dr.Smellody · 13 March 2016, 04:09 PM

My 16610 does not have external lug holes.

Tools · 13 March 2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Smellody

My 16610 does not have external lug holes.

That is because it is not a Sub, it is a Sub Date and those changed to no-holes around 2001.

The Sub never changed until it went ceramic.

ADINVA · 13 March 2016, 04:29 PM

Larry, do you mean Sub Date changed to no-holes around 2011? or 2001?

T. Ferguson · 13 March 2016, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ADINVA

Larry, do you mean Sub Date changed to no-holes around 2011? or 2001?

2001, about 8 years before the ceramic Sub came out.

ADINVA · 13 March 2016, 06:51 PM

Wow, did not know that Sub Date had no holes since 2001. Learn something new again today. Thanks guys.

padi56 · 13 March 2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ADINVA

Wow, did not know that Sub Date had no holes since 2001. Learn something new again today. Thanks guys.

All this information is on forum if you just search, and it was end of Y serial late 2002 early 2003 the Non lug hole cases started to make their appearance on most models but the 14060 and 14060M always had lug holes.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=8478

fskywalker · 13 March 2016, 09:37 PM

Aesthetics aside, the holed case seems to be be more flexible in terms of adapting different bands. My 16610 S series came with the 93150 non SEL bracelet and I have installed both glidelock (97200) and easylink (77200) bracelets without any modifications whatsoever!

tomallen · 13 March 2016, 10:18 PM

Whats all the yelling about?

strongarms · 14 March 2016, 12:51 AM

Last year for "no date" 14060m with lug holes was 2012.

AK1984 · 14 March 2016, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by strongarms

Last year for "no date" 14060m with lug holes was 2012.

This...

Random serial

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Tools · 14 March 2016, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by strongarms

Last year for "no date" 14060m with lug holes was 2012.

This sort of statement can confuse people..

The new 114060 ceramic was introduced in Basel in 2012 but that doesn't mean that suddenly all 14060M's were cut-off as if by magic. Since the 114060 never hit the Dealer displays until almost the end of 2012 and into 2013 for some markets, there is likely plenty of overlap as there is in all things Rolex; they likely continued the 14060M into 2013 to keep Dealers stocked and until they ran out of product.

In any event, the 14060M never came with blind lug holes, they always had pierced lugs, and that is the point of this thread.

Boaters · 14 March 2016, 01:14 AM

Great info

strongarms · 14 March 2016, 06:36 AM

Sorry to be confusing there, Larry....In the summer of 2012, I contacted 7 different AD's about a 14060m Submariner and was told by each the watch had been discontinued earlier in the year. The 8th dealer had what I was told was one last in stock that was transferred from Seattle to Houston for my purchase. Only speaking from experience. If memory serves me correctly, the ceramic models began to appear a few months later. Certainly don't want to be misleading to the OP....

Tools · 14 March 2016, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by strongarms

Sorry to be confusing there, Larry....In the summer of 2012, I contacted 7 different AD's about a 14060m Submariner and was told by each the watch had been discontinued earlier in the year. ....

The point is though, you could have never got one without through lug-holes so there is no point in the OP looking for one without them, regardless of the year made.

We are just seeing the question from two different view-points..

Yours is "what was the last production year for the 14060M?" - fair enough, it's replacement came out in late 2012..

Mine is "when was the last production run that the 14060M had through lug-holes?" - They all had pierced lug holes throughout production, they never stopped making them that way.

landroverking · 14 March 2016, 07:22 AM

There's a problem that keeps coming up.
Folks want to think of all Subs as having a date.
They do not. Only the Sub Date has a date. Subs don't.

13 March 2016, 04:59 AM	#1
safetypro79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: John Location: Boise, Idaho Watch: Rolex 5513 Sub Posts: 17	Last year Sub/drilled lugs no date produced I am contimplating the purchase of a Sub no date **what was the last year/serial number produced for the no date with drilled lugs Thanks forum members. John

13 March 2016, 05:21 AM	#6
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,550	both Random serial and G serial were produced at the same time, either of those would qualify if you wanted the last produced examples of the 14060. Random will be a 1 character longer modern serial/identification # i have a G. __________________

13 March 2016, 09:37 PM	#16
fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 25,157	Last year Sub/drilled lugs no date produced Aesthetics aside, the holed case seems to be be more flexible in terms of adapting different bands. My 16610 S series came with the 93150 non SEL bracelet and I have installed both glidelock (97200) and easylink (77200) bracelets without any modifications whatsoever! __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 / 210.90.42.20.01.001 Zenith 02.480.405 2FA security enabled

13 March 2016, 10:18 PM	#17
tomallen 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Tom Location: Connecticut Watch: Rolex SubC,GMTIIC Posts: 966	Whats all the yelling about? __________________ Unless you are the lead dog the scenery never changes

13 March 2016, 05:09 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	All Subs had drilled lug holes until the release of the ceramic 114060 model __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 March 2016, 02:10 PM	#4
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	What?

13 March 2016, 02:39 PM	#5
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,327

13 March 2016, 06:04 AM	#7
ref1655 Banned Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: SF Bay Area Watch: 1655/MkI Posts: 1,100	curious...why did Rolex stop incorporating drilled lug holes? I've got them on my old 1655 but never paid much attention to the feature.

13 March 2016, 04:09 PM	#10
Dr.Smellody "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 5,390	My 16610 does not have external lug holes.

13 March 2016, 04:29 PM	#12
ADINVA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Daytona Posts: 732	Larry, do you mean Sub Date changed to no-holes around 2011? or 2001?

13 March 2016, 06:51 PM	#14
ADINVA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Daytona Posts: 732	Wow, did not know that Sub Date had no holes since 2001. Learn something new again today. Thanks guys.

14 March 2016, 12:51 AM	#18
strongarms "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: John Paul Location: Katy TX Watch: Sub/Speedy Posts: 144	Last year for "no date" 14060m with lug holes was 2012.

14 March 2016, 01:14 AM	#21
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	Great info

14 March 2016, 06:36 AM	#22
strongarms "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: John Paul Location: Katy TX Watch: Sub/Speedy Posts: 144	Sorry to be confusing there, Larry....In the summer of 2012, I contacted 7 different AD's about a 14060m Submariner and was told by each the watch had been discontinued earlier in the year. The 8th dealer had what I was told was one last in stock that was transferred from Seattle to Houston for my purchase. Only speaking from experience. If memory serves me correctly, the ceramic models began to appear a few months later. Certainly don't want to be misleading to the OP....

14 March 2016, 07:22 AM	#24
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	There's a problem that keeps coming up. Folks want to think of all Subs as having a date. They do not. Only the Sub Date has a date. Subs don't.

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